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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:26 AM
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Greenwald: The Executive Branch is America's Law-Free Zone
Glenn Greenwald at salon.com:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/17/lawlessness/index.html

Tuesday Feb. 17, 2009 11:55 EST
Lawrence Walsh and America's law-free zone




David Rivkin and Lee Casey are right-wing lawyers and former Reagan DOJ officials who, over the last eight years, have been extremely prolific in jointly defending Bush/Cheney theories of executive power. Today, they have one of their standard Op-Eds, this time in The Washington Post, demanding that there be no investigations or prosecutions of Bush officials. Most of the arguments they advance are the standard platitudes now composing Beltway conventional wisdom on this matter. But there is one aspect of their advocacy that is somewhat remarkable and worth noting.

Rivkin and Casey have long been vigorous opponents of the legitimacy of international tribunals to adjudicate crimes committed by American officials. In February, 2007, they wrote an Op-Ed in the Post bitterly criticizing Italian officials for indicting 25 CIA agents who had literally kidnapped a Muslim cleric from Italy and "rendered" him from Milan to Egypt. In that Op-Ed, the Bush-defending duo argued that Italy had no right to prosecute these agents ...

They then went on to call for the Bush administration to vocally and decisively reject the legitimacy of the ICC so that the whole edifice would collapse. This is because American leaders should not be subjected to prosecution in foreign countries for their crimes -- only in America.

Yet what do these two argue today? That domestic investigations and prosecutions -- by American tribunals and American courts -- are also inappropriate, illegitimate and destructive. Though they acknowledge that "the Justice Department is capable of considering whether any criminal charges are appropriate," they nonetheless insist that this must not be done:

For his part, President Obama has reacted coolly to calls to investigate Bush officials. Obama is right to be skeptical; this is a profoundly bad idea -- for policy and, depending on how such a commission were organized and operated, for legal and constitutional reasons. . . .

Attempting to prosecute political opponents at home or facilitating their prosecution abroad, however much one disagrees with their policy choices while in office, is like pouring acid into our democratic machinery. As the history of the late, unlamented independent counsel statute taught, once a Pandora's box is opened, its contents can wreak havoc equally across the political and party spectrum. . . .

Obama and the Democratic Congress are entitled to revise and reject any or all of the Bush administration's policies. But no one is entitled to hound political opponents with criminal prosecution, whether directly or through the device of a commission, and those who support such efforts now may someday regret the precedent it sets.


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The implication of their argument -- which is now the conventional Beltway view -- is too obvious to require much elaboration. If our political leaders can't be held accountable for their war crimes and other serious felonies in foreign countries or international tribunals, and must never be held accountable in the U.S. either (because to do so is to "pour acid into our democratic machinery"), then it means that American political officials (in contrast to most other leaders) are completely and explicitly exempt from, placed above, the rule of law. That conclusion is compelled from their premises.

... Here's what Iran-contra prosecutor (and life-long Republican official) Lawrence Walsh said in 1992 after George H.W. Bush pardoned Casper Weinberger days before his trial was set to begin:

President Bush's pardon of Caspar Weinberger and other Iran-contra defendants undermines the principle that no man is above the law. It demonstrates that powerful people with powerful allies can commit serious crimes in high office -- deliberately abusing the public trust without consequence.

Weinberger, who faced four felony charges, deserved to be tried by a jury of citizens. Although it is the President's prerogative to grant pardons, it is every American's right that the criminal justice system be administered fairly, regardless of a person's rank and connections.

The Iran-contra cover-up, which has continued for more than six years, has now been completed with the pardon of Caspar Weinberger. . . . Weinberger's early and deliberate decision to conceal and withhold extensive contemporaneous notes of the Iran-contra matter radically altered the official investigations and possibly forestalled timely impeachment proceedings against President Reagan and other officials. Weinberger's notes contain evidence of a conspiracy among the highest-ranking Reagan Administration officials to lie to Congress and the American public. . . .

In light of President Bush's own misconduct, we are gravely concerned about his decision to pardon others who lied to Congress and obstructed official investigations.


Does anyone deny that we are exactly the country that Walsh described: one where "powerful people with powerful allies can commit serious crimes in high office -- deliberately abusing the public trust without consequence"? And what rational person could think that's a desirable state of affairs that ought not only be preserved -- but fortified still further-- as we move now to immunize Bush 43 officials for their far more serious and disgraceful crimes? As the Rivkin/Casey oeuvre demonstrates, we've created a zone of lawlessness around our highest political leaders and either refuse to acknowledge that we've done that or, worse, have decided that we don't really mind.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:27 AM
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1. Obama seems to be seeking the path of least resistance here. nt
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:39 AM
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2. I think Obam wants to do the right thing and only needs us to make him do it.
We the People have to apply the preasure to make our leaders do the correct thing. That is why I love Rachael Maddow and Keith Olberman. They are our voice at the moment, really the only major voice we have and they are trying very hard to hold the politician's feet to the fire. They need our support and our feedback... If America is going to live up to our ideals it takes much effort on the part of the People
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:57 AM
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3. WTF?
"Attempting to prosecute political opponents at home or facilitating their prosecution abroad, however much one disagrees with their policy choices while in office, is like pouring acid into our democratic machinery. But no one is entitled to hound political opponents with criminal prosecution, whether directly or through the device of a commission, and those who support such efforts now may someday regret the precedent it sets."

No shit, Sherlock. This is exactly what the repukes did to the Clintons every single day they were in office.

Why these repuke's heads don't spin around and around on their necks is beyond me. This hypocrisy is beyond galling.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:59 AM
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4. SEPARATION OF POWERS
The Executive can not be involved in determining the parameters of Executive powers.

Obama can't touch this.

It is a separation of powers issue, so congress and the courts need to be the ones to decide these parameters.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:05 PM
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5. Yes, but Congress defers to him and looks to his leadership on political issues.
The line is there, but it's a dotted one.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:13 PM
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6. The Justice Department has no role to play in it?
I'm not so sure of that. It's an interesting question.

In any case, the Rivkin-Casey argument is that no branch--no one in government at all--should go after the Bush administration for "allegedly" abusing its power. But if what you say is right, then Congress could and should investigate the Bush admin's pursuit of torture as a weapon in the war against terrorism.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:17 PM
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8. The DoJ involved in setting oversight parameters on the Executive?
The DoJ works for the Executive. That's why Clinton had Janet Reno appoint Starr to investigate Whitewater, why Archie Cox was brought on to investigate Watergate. A DoJ investigation is tantamount to an administration investigating itself. It has to be done elsewhere in the government.

The DoJ is there to prosecute things like, say, Executive orders approving torture. Separate issue from the Rove subpoenas thing. It's a matter for the courts.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 05:48 PM
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12. The only problem with the argument is the bush administration
is not the Obama administration. However, I agree with your overall premise and I also think its time for Congress to behave as a co equal branch in our form of government and investigate.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:18 PM
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9. I disagree - existing law has been broken, it is the duty of the Administration to pursue
I would agree that the executive can not be in the business of "determining parameters" (which I would call writing law - clearly the function of the Congress) but in this case the parameters are set in existing law and it is the duty of the Executive Branch though its Department of Justice to pursue those who have broken those existing laws.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:19 PM
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10. See my post 8 above
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 05:58 PM
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13. I had to go back and read the article over again - here's the problem
We've all got ourselves off track. The article doesn't speak to who should or can do what. All the article says is that they want it both ways, that no foreign government can prosecute one of ours and we can't either. He says that's wrong. He doesn't say which; the Justice Department, or the Congress, or the Court, has to deal with it just that it can not be so.

However in the end is it your contention that only a Special Prosecutor can prosecute anyone in the Executive branch? It would seem to me (no lawyer here) that if Justice isn't able to prosecute the highest levels of the Executive then they couldn't at the lowest either, major crime or minor. I've never followed this much and wouldn't know if there was precedent or not but I would have to think that over time the Justice Department must have prosecuted someone in the Executive for something. I don't deny that it makes no sense for a Department of the Executive to prosecute the Executive but I just don't know how it works in the real world.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:34 AM
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14. I screwed this one up
I was cooking on a different topic and wrote about the wrong issue.

Glad you read the article twice, it's good. I'm the idiot here.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 05:41 PM
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11. you've said that a number of times but I don't think it's true
in fact it's extraordinary that the courts are involved in this.

When the Miers and Bolten case went to court, the first question was whether the judge would take the case, whether it would say the executive and legislative branches should work it out like they normally do. One judge suggested Congress should consider ruling inherent contempt and arresting them themselves, so the courts wouldn't have to be involved.

The judge who ruled in the case said that Bush's claim of absolute immunity is not legal. I don't see why Obama shouldn't say he rejects that claim. Then the claim will be seen as an aberration and won't set any precedent. If he supports the claim and the judge rules in favor of Bush then the dangerous precedent described in the OP will have been set.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:16 PM
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7. no sirs, defecating on our consitution is like pouring acid into our democracy machine
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:45 AM
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15. bu$h* & cheney poured the acid in democracy, not those seeking the truth
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 09:18 AM
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16. "however much one disagrees with their policy choices"
"Officer, I know this looks bad, me standing here in front of a bank with a shotgun and a bag of cash, but who are you to question my policy choices?"
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 09:52 AM
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17. A 49'er stands with a bag of gold, and says to the last Indian, "What do you mean
it is criminal to leave your country and kill people for their land? I thought it was an American tradition!"

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