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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:59 PM
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Siegelman: Rove Trying to Cut Deal, Call Conyers
Edited on Wed Feb-18-09 01:01 PM by FourScore
Governor Don Siegelman has learned that Karl Rove is in some sort of negotiation for immunity or exec priv before he testifies on Feb. 23. He is asking for people to flood Judiciary Chairman John Conyers with calls to make sure he "stays strong," no deal, no immunity. Here is the text of my email from Gov. Siegelman.

Chairman Conyers' Office
Office: (202) 225-5126
Fax: (202) 225-0072


Dear Ralph,
Contact House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers and tell him "No Deal!" for Karl Rove.

Once again I am calling on you to make sure Karl Rove testifies under oath before the House Judiciary Committee on Monday, February 23rd.

Rove has been subpoenaed. At first he claimed executive privilege protection and emphatically said he would not show up. Rove and his lawyer asked President Obama to extend the same executive privilege protection that President Bush had extended to Rove.

The White House responded by urging Congress and Rove "to cut a deal," to reach a settlement. Now we learn from Rove's lawyer that Rove is in negotiations with the Judiciary Committee to reach some accommodation before Monday.

There should be no deal offered to Karl Rove, no grant of executive privilege, no immunity, and no accommodation. What the American people want and need to begin the process of restoring justice is for Karl Rove to be brought before the committee, placed under oath, and forced to answer the tough questions about his abuse of power and the use of the Department of Justice as a political weapon.

Please write, call, fax, and email Congressman John Conyers, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, to thank him for his commitment to the truth and for his determination to bring Karl Rove before his committee.

Chairman Conyers' Office
Office: (202) 225-5126
Fax: (202) 225-0072
Email: john.conyers@mail.house.gov

Thank Chairman Conyers, commend him, and ask him to stay strong and hold fast! There should be no deals cut and no immunity given to Karl Rove.

You may also call 1-800-826-3688 and ask to be connected to Congressman John Conyers' office. Thank him, praise him, and ask him to stay the course with Karl Rove. No deals. No immunity.

Sincerely,

Don Siegelman
Governor of Alabama 1999-2003
www.donsiegelman.org

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/2/18/123420/715/777/698929
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:05 PM
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k&r
thanks
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 04:29 PM
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35. Emailed as follows:
I'm from DemocraticUnderground.com, an internet site with
a progressive view.

We at DU are heavily weighted in support of the House Judiciary
actions under John Conyers, yet are also in some despair of the tedious
and ineffectual pace. Yet are being patient in hopes that some justice
will eventually emerge. However, for certain we are

OVERWHELMINGLY DEAD SET AGAINST ANY QUARTER OR DEAL FOR ROVE

We think PRISON is the correct place for Rove AND for others of his
ilk who have for so long run a criminal enterprise while mascarading
as our United States government.

Thank You.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #35
57. WHAT?? I'm from DemocraticUnderground.com ???
What, you live in cyberspace, or you own the domain?

And, who is the WE you refer to? Speak for yourself, please.
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. Rude, but very well...
No, I don't own the domain nor represent the domain.

I meant to say I'm Piewhacket of DU, but was paying
closer attention to something else. An error.
Now corrected for the record.

As to the "we", I took a poll, and most here appear
to OVERWHELMINGLY agree with the sentiment.

You don't agree? OK, then I don't speak for you.
Then write a minority opinion letter.

OK, so now, isn't it your turn to own up to being
uncharitable and unnecessarily rude to a fellow DUer.
Well?
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. Roll your own.
I'm ___________________ from DemocraticUnderground.com, an
internet site with a progressive view.

We at DU are heavily weighted in support of the House Judiciary
actions under John Conyers, yet are also in some despair of the tedious
and ineffectual pace. Yet are being patient in hopes that some justice
will eventually emerge. However, for certain we are

OVERWHELMINGLY DEAD SET AGAINST ANY QUARTER OR DEAL FOR ROVE

We think PRISON is the correct place for Rove AND for others of his
ilk who have for so long run a criminal enterprise while mascarading
as our United States government.

Thank You.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. No, this is still wrong. You state "As to the "we", I took a poll, and most here appear
...
to OVERWHELMINGLY agree with the sentiment."

That's false data, obviously, because it only involves the people who replied to your post
and not the myriad others who either didn't read it or chose not to respond.

In any event, I think it's safe to say that, unless you've been duly elected to represent any given group,
you're better off speaking for yourself and letting others express their own opinions.




P.S. I wrote to Conyers earlier in the day.


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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #63
67. False data? Safe to say? All that is your opinion, right?
But it looks like you're the only one saying that,
based on the people who replied.
So who's working with false data now, by your definition?

yer amusing, I'll grant ye.
I speak for those who agree with me.
you aren't saying YOU speak for them, saying
I don't speak for them? are you? really?

yup, you ARE funny person.
but I'm glad you wrote for yourself, to express your
own opinion, whatever it was that wasn't the same as mine.

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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #35
71. Just to have your back...
...I am not offended that you 'spoke' in my name. I thank you for it and I'm calling Conyers' office tomorrow. The Bush administration has really put me in a moral conundrum as far as the use of capital punishment. At the very least, they should never be able to feel the warmth of the sun on their miserable faces.

Once again, thank you!
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #71
76. you snake in the grass..... thanks. :)
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #76
83. I am not offended by your letter either.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #76
100. I agree with your letter too. There a only one DUer I know of who
claims Siegelman was not railroaded. And I firmly believe he is a disruptor. So thank you for the letter.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #35
87. i'm fine with your letter
rove belongs in prison.

no deals for the coward.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:05 PM
Response to Original message
1. K&R No deals!
Prosecute!
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:06 PM
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2. One question:
Would you give Rove a get-out-of-jail card in exchange for testimony that would put Bush, Cheney, Alberto G, and a half dozen others in jail in his place?

Like, we don't know just what kind of "deal" they're working on here.

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Wildewolfe Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. yeah
I would let weasel boy off if his testimony put the rest of the bush cabel behind bars. The reality is that it would put him in a self inflicted prison of his own making as well. He'd never be able to leave the country (our get out jail free wouldn't grant him squat elsewhere and his testimony would pretty much guarantee him warrants around the world). He would be a pariah here in the US reviled by nearly everyone. Letting him off to get the rest would be worth it in the end. It would probably be the most entertaining thing to watch as his final betrayal sank in and the house of cards collapsed.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #3
33. you know I really like that scenario.
But only if he rats on the others.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #33
49. His immunity
might be contingent on testimony that helps convict former/present officials of felony crimes resulting in mandatory minimum sentences in maximum security or criminally insane facilities.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #3
47. Weasel boy
:rofl:
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #3
86. good point, Wildewolf
Made me re-think my position.

Cher
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. Rove's weasel-y past does not give me faith
that THIS is the deal he's trying to cut. Sorry.

He's not ever going to hand in all his chips like that.
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #6
94. unfortunately, I agree with you :(
They all belong behind bars..Every. Single. Bushy. Neo-Con. Including the media whores who are keepin' the insane, nasty & ugly vibe alive.

:patriot:
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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:17 PM
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4. I just called his office, and the guy that answered the phone says ...
that Conyers is NOT going to cut any deal for Rove. He has worked the past 2 years to nail Rove and he's not giving up.

That is very encouraging!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. I hope Congressman Conyers is receiving alot of phone calls on this
I just called his office yesterday.
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Last Stand Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. I gave Conyers a significant donation (for me, anyway) for this reason.
He was calling Rove on what a slimeball he really is.

No deals with the devil here--Rove is the embodiment of evil and the symbol of everything wrong with politics.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #4
22. I do believe that. I remember a comment from Conyers in the early 2000s...
-- something to the effect that he wanted us to contact our representatives because they work for us & they won't do anything without public pressure. Those are my words, but that's what he meant.
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byeya Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #4
39. Thank you for calling Rep Conyer's office. I know a lot
of people here, me included, appreciate it.
What with Conyers behavior of the past two years, I'll believe it when I see it but I remain hopeful. Thanks again.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #4
64. My friend called today and got exactly that response, as well. Good to hear!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #4
97. I called yesterday, and the response was "No concessions!"

I told him that the only way to "look forward" to better times without the abuses we've had these last 8 years, is to prosecute those responsible and hold them accountable to send the message that this won't be tolerated in the future.

Also added my two cents that Obama should not be using the State Secrets privilege to stop civil court cases and should have at least found ways to delay rulings until Holder and the Justice Department has had a chance to review the past cases involving this abused statute. Told him to push for passage of Jerrold Nadler's State Secrets Privilege reform bill and told him despite how the press isn't covering this, that there are those out there watching these sorts of things.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:19 PM
Response to Original message
5. Just fired off an e-mail to Congressman Conyers.
thanks
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:27 PM
Response to Original message
9. Rove is trying to pull an Ollie North.
Yeah, I did it. Now go fuck off.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Who are you telling to "fuck off"? The OP?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. That's what Rove will say to Congress.
Edited on Wed Feb-18-09 01:34 PM by formercia
Sorry about the confusion.

That's what Ollie North did. I forget that there are people here who don't remember or are too young to remember.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. It wasn't that I "forgot"... it was that you left out the pronoun that would indicate WHO you were
pointing to.

It was clear in YOUR head, but not in your words.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. it was clear to me, too.
But it could have been clearer with quotation marks.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #10
101. The COUNTRY.....n/t
He is speaking as Ollie.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:30 PM
Response to Original message
11. I called Conyers office and was told
that it is the Prez, the Obama Administration, that is doing the deal...not the Judiciary.

I read about that yesterday. He's not what he appears.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. Who is not as he appears -- Obama???
"that it is the Prez, the Obama Administration, that is doing the deal...not the Judiciary." That's quite a charge you are making. Anyone else heard such a thing from Conyer's office???
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #15
66. I read yesterday that the Obama Admin
was doing a deal w/ rove. Today, there was the thread asking folks to call Conyers (head of Judiciary Committee)...so I did. I was told the President is the one holding up rove from testifying.

And yes, Obama is not what he appears. I got shivers watching him take the Oath of Office while Rockefeller stood behind his right shoulder smirking.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:31 PM
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12. I'm not sure Conyers has been "strong".
I used to have him on a pedastal.

In the last couple of years, I saw him cave so many times, even though the Dems had control of the House, that I no longer completely believe him to be the stalwart I saw him as.

:(
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. He didn't have any backing from Pelosi or Hoyer. n/t
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. A lot of us don't have the "backing". We do it anyway.
It's called "courage".
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #14
50. Well, since I never heard Pelosi make any noise over the non-response
to the subpeonae issued to the Bush administration . . .

it might have been worse than no backing -- it might have been "off the table" . . . ?

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Left Coast2020 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #14
73. Because she whined (quitely) about the next election.
Apparently elections are more important than doing her j-o-b.

Frustrating.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 02:12 PM
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19. What if the deal is immunity in exchange for rolling over on Cheney and Bush?
What if he's got the smoking gun to put them both away? Do you think Rove wouldn't hang on to incriminating evidence as an ace in the hole?

Can't he be offered conditional immunity? Immunity in the event that his testimony provides actionable evidence against bigger fish?

I'd like to see Rove behind bars as much as the next guy, but I'd be willing to let him walk free if we could get Georgie and Dick instead.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. Why can't all those involved be held accountable?
Why does this have to be one for the other. If Cheney and George are involved they should be held accountable like Karl. Don't let Karl walk.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. But it's possible Karl is the only one with the goods to put them away.
They did a good job covering their tracks. Karl was a trusted inside guy. He probably has the appropriate dirt, specifically tucked away in order to save his own ass should he ever need to.

The trick would be getting him to give up everything. He will definitely try to get away with giving the bare minimum necessary. Which is why I say any potential deal has to be based specifically on what he provides. If he puts the big fish in prison, then and only then, is he off the hook.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. LESS prison time
These guys are potentially up on very serious charges. Rove could be motivated by merely ensuring LESS prison time, without getting completely "off the hook".
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #28
65. Very good point.
Let him off with a light 50 years. :D
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #24
91. You're exactly right - only I'll bet they all have dirt on each other. Well, except George.
He's arrogant enough to believe he's above the law, and sadly he probably will be.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #19
69. Ya know, if Rove is sitting in jail he has alot more incentive to talk..wake up
people please!

And that is bside the point..if he broke the law he should be prosecuted ..period..we are a nation predicated on the rule of law..or at least we used to be..

let it be someone in your family or mine..their asses would be in the slammer.

No excuses for anyone on this... pleaseeee..
We have soldiers who have died because of that fucker..he gets no passes..and if he wants a deal he should be prosecuted and thrown in jail and get the same deal other squeelers get..nothing more nothing less!

But first he must be brought before congress and made to testify..after all Baseball players were required to do that..and they didn't send anyone off to die in a war based on lies and didn't put a governor in prison based on corrupting our very judicial system.

Fuck deals!

get his ass in jail..then see how fast he will become a canary!

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Left Coast2020 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #69
75. ABSOLUTELY! It would make my day to see his ass in
prison orange--on the NY Times, or USA Today front page above-the-fold shot.

Besides, Karl could use a good bubba. (Is there a smiley here for that?). :bounce:

Don't pick up the soap Karl! And do everything your nice cellmate tells you to do! :scared: :scared:
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 02:15 PM
Response to Original message
20. Gladly done!
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 02:24 PM
Response to Original message
23. E-Mail sent. Now I'll walk (in the rain) up on the hill to where my cell phone works.
Because a quarter mile walk up the hill in freezing rain is nothing compared to the importance of the call.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
36. What a great post!
:fistbump:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 02:52 PM
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25. what do they fear from karl? he was only an aide to bu$h* not a cabinet member
imho he has no grounds to negotiate anything
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 02:59 PM
Response to Original message
26. Shouldn't They Being Trying To INDICT ROVE By Giving OTHERS Immunity To Get The Dirt On HIM?
I would think Rove would be one of the big fish.
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xcoastal Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #26
56. offer should be made to smaller fish
I agree. If someone like Cliff Arnebeck could provide an email and address for people who have information but are too afraid to come forward. President Obama's comments so far only serve to make those afraid even more afraid to come forward. President Obama should be encouraging those with information to come forward understanding the pressure and fears they are dealing with. Many feel they had no choice other than to break the law. There needs to be a safe place for them to come with their information and for them a deal and protection should be offered.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 03:36 PM
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27. KICK
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 04:10 PM
Response to Original message
29. I just called and the guy answering said...

that there will be 'no concessions' given to .arl Rove. I thanked him for the information and asked him to thank Mr. Conyers for his stand. I asked whom I was speaking to and he said 'the person at the front desk' (funny name, but oh well) Now to send some email. Let's keep up the pressure and the praise!:patriot: :popcorn: BTW, thank you for posting this thread, FourScore
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #29
37. Person at the front desk = some thankless intern n/t
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #29
84. I called Conyers office the other day, and he said the same thing to me.
he said Conyers has been trying for two years to get Rove, or something like that.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 04:13 PM
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30. Gladly done.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 04:16 PM
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31. The Judiciary Committee will make NO concessions
That's what I was told when I called two minutes ago
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 04:24 PM
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32. k&r! nt
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 04:28 PM
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34. K&R
I called and I connected and the person I spoke with said no concessions will be given to Mr. Rove by Mr. Conyers. I thanked him and told him to thank Congressman Conyers for me, for his good work and his patriotism. He took my name and said he would relay my message to the congressman.
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haroldburbank Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 05:21 PM
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38. Conyers on Siegelman
I called Conyers' office. Staffer said Siegelman is lying, there is no deal, there is no need to prosecute Bushco, and when I argued these points (and I did call the staffer incompetent to offer his opinion on the law since he was so strident that Siegelman was lying) the staffer just hung up.

No guts, no glory John. Answer the damned Siegelman charges in a clear, written, public manner for all to scrutinize. You do work for us, right?


And hire new, competent staffers...

Attorney Harold Burbank
Chair, The Bush Indictment Project
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 05:57 PM
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42. Welcome to DU, Harold Burbank!!!
I thoroughly approve of your project! :toast:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 08:55 PM
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58. Welcome to DU Harold. Good job. Put it in writing to the Comm.
They do nothing, but at least then it is a public record.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:20 PM
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60. P.S. Is there a website for The Bush Indictment Project?
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byeya Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:08 AM
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82. Good for you. May your project bear fruit! I know you're giving
up billing time and I think most here appreciate it.
Whether we're right or wrong, we need to hold their feet to the fire - our so-called elected allies - until they either clarify what they are doing or admit they are blowing smoke.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:38 AM
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85. Welcome to DU haroldburbank!!
"hire new competent staffers" yes indeed.
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:20 PM
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98. Harold Burbank, can you
give me an opinion as to why there have been so many conflicting answers when Conyers' office is called?I emailed him my thanks, but I'm wondering if some of us have called different numbers?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:31 PM
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102. who here does not remember Conyers going into a meeting in San Diego and yelling out
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 12:37 PM by flyarm
who here is for impeachment? or something to that effect..then many going to his office in the Capitol and Conyers reneging ..and basically saying ..no deal, no impeachment..and then having those who went to his office arrested..is there that much of an ignorance into John Conyers..and who and what he is about..still????????

Conyers is a front man..and each time he gets anything going the powers that be scare the crap out of him..they must have pretty good goods on him..thats all i have to say.

I used to have a little faith in him..i now have zero!

I tell people i know..he will do nothing..he never has!..Leapords don't change their spots.

I can't possibly be the only one who remembers how Conyers has operated in the past..all blowhard bullshit!

The man must have rooms and rooms of letters and emails and has had millions of calls in the past..how's it worked out so far????? Crickets.

Oh and then I learned from Clint Curtis when Conyers had a hearing in the Capitol on the election machine fraud and Clint was the star witness and Conyers got up and left to go PEE PEE right when Clint was to testify...

Conyers is a straw horse..sooner people figure that out the better we all will be , at least then we will have a semblance of truth! We may not like that truth..but it will be truth none the less.

There is but one party with one big money pot in the middle..and none of them care about "WE THE PEOPLE"
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 05:53 PM
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40. Just emailed him.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 05:54 PM
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41. So typical. They commit a crime and they're the ones who end up with
Edited on Wed Feb-18-09 05:54 PM by The Backlash Cometh
leverage to deal with. Rove to the US, "Okay, I won't bitch-slap ya'll again if you just walk away now."
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 06:18 PM
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43. Just sent my e-mail, No deal, no immunity. Someone has to
pay for the ruination of our country and this evil man knows it all. We need to hear from him without cover. Since he is one of the major architects of the 8 year fiasco, he should be compelled to tell the truth.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 06:24 PM
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44. Free fax service
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 06:31 PM
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45. Please call
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 06:34 PM
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46. Here's mine...
That you for standing up for what it right. It's always a hard job, and next to nobody wants to take it on. But that's how we get heros and idols. They do the truly 'hard work' (a term coined by the 7th worst President of the United States).
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 06:50 PM
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48. Let us not forget that the current issue at hand is when you receive a subpoena you MUST appear.
If Rove does not appear then they should send the Sergeant At Arms to Arrest him for inherent contempt. Have the Sergeant at Arms haul him before the senate and and allow the country to watch him plead the fifth all day to every question.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:49 PM
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51. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:51 PM
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52. Why in the world would dems think of doing this
The whole freakin world knows Rove is a corrupt horrible human being. Why the hell would anyone give him immunity. Why even bother having investigations.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:59 PM
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53. If you were Rove, would you be more frightened of prison or Bush/Cheney etal -- ???
Edited on Wed Feb-18-09 07:59 PM by defendandprotect
Also, indications are that the Rove subpeona slowed down by Obama administration ---

AND, Obama is letting Bush prosecutors stay--!!!????

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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 08:00 PM
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54. K&R, I will be calling back tomorrow, no answer tonight and no voice mail available
for either phone number.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 08:22 PM
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55. K&R and e-mail sent . . . call tomorrow --
Edited on Wed Feb-18-09 08:22 PM by defendandprotect
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:05 PM
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59. Is USG dysfunctional and suffering from amnesia? Will we ever see any Justice?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:22 PM
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99. Unfortunately..no, eom
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Best_man23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:47 PM
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68. No Deals
Testimony must be UNCONDITIONAL, period.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:56 PM
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70. done. K&R
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:06 PM
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72. where are the apologies from the people who called us yesterday..knee jerker's????
Edited on Wed Feb-18-09 11:06 PM by flyarm
crickets........i hear crickets!!!!!

they also called us various other names..none of which i will repeat..

again i say..where are the apologies?????

eom
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:19 AM
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74. Siegelman's account of this entire tale sounds extremely plausible to me.
Extremely and disturbingly plausible.
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Left Coast2020 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:44 AM
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77. If the above poster says that Conyers office says "no deal"
then I guess we have to take their word for it unless we hear otherwise. It would also appear to me that Karl is not in much of a position to deal. At least thats my interpertation. As a example, what happened during the Plame Affair. What knowledge does he have surrounding this matter? That in my mind (as it has beed mentioned) is highly treasonous to blow the cover of a NOC and is clearly a felony. I want to know about that. Conyers needs to put his foot down--ignoring whatever Pelosi or anyone else says and simply issue a warrant for his arrest if Karl won't show. End of story.

I hope someone can create a "smiley" of Karl in zebra outfit behind bars when testimony starts. Just a thought for future reference.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 09:36 AM
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89. Yes -- we have Conyers' smarts on one hand, plus Siegelman's
smarts, too. And both those elements versus Rove's almost certain skullduggery.

It's hard for me to get past my anti-Rove bias in this one. I think Siegelman was done wrong and I suspect Rove was the mastermind.
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:38 AM
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78. Sometimes it's easy to K&R! (nt)
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:39 AM
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79. Conyers phone just rings and rings and rings-no answering machine
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:58 AM
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80. Kick & R!
Rove can run, but he can't hide! :spank:
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:30 AM
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81. obama has always hedged on the issue of bush, inc prosecutions.
i believe the white house is becoming complicit.

"strongly worded" email sent to conyers.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:47 AM
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93. he never hedged..some just didn't listen to what he did say
and then Obama scrubbed his speach about it..and when people warned others of what he actually said, they were screamed down..or called vicious names!

Please no selective - reinventing history here.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:07 PM
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109. bullshit, he hedged and is still hedging. nt
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Danchi Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 09:34 AM
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88. Karl Rove-No Deal
I borrowed a few ideas but below is the letter I emailed to Chairman Conyers office this morning:




Dear Chairman Conyers:
I'm a member of Moveon.org & DemocraticUnderground.com, two groups with progressive view but what I feel are fair views.

I am in complete support of the House Judiciary actions against Karl Rove, yet I am also frustrated at the tedious and ineffectual pace of the investigations and hearing due to Rove's defiance of law. I am being patient and allowing the process to unfold in hopes justice will emerge. However, one thing I am absolutely certain of:

I VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE ANY QUARTER OR DEAL FOR ROVE. HE AND HIS CRIMINAL FRIENDS MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.

Indicting Rove would be the first step in correcting the illegal actions of the bush cabal. Hopefully actions such as this will be initiated by the Justice department which will bring bush, cheney, rice, rumsfeld , etc., to justice. The world cries for justice and is watching. If these people are not held accountable than the United States will lose permanently their place in the world and history, deservedly and their place in the world as a leader on the world stage.

I think PRISON is the correct place for Rove AND others who have operated with impunity for so long which has turned the United States of America into a criminal enterprise while masquerading
as our United States government.

I would like to thank you for you courage, commitment and focused effort to correct the injustices perpetuated upon the American people and also, people in other countries who lives have been altered or destroyed by the aggressive illegal actions of the bush cabal. As a resident of Michigan-you do us proud.

Thank You,



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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:03 AM
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90. Call me a Grassy Knoller if you must
but if and when Rove were to finally relent and say he's going to give it up there just happened to be a small plane crash or a mysterious suicide.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:26 AM
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KKKarl should be able to spin a salty yarn on many subjects.
He is an excellent candidate for BFEE convincing.
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kmac3 Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:26 AM
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92. Re Rove Investigation
Conyers has on so many occasions has given us hope that wrongs would be righted and law for all would prevail. Then without any valid reason all of these opportunities suddenly died and those guilty remained free to repeat their ills. This situation is just another one getting ready to disappoint all in favor of "justice for all". I honestly believe the problem stems from the fact our government has become so corrupt that all investigations, if attempted, would touch someone in high office and so they are forced to back off. This will be a never ending cycle if it is not stopped at some point. To stop it, a few people will be exposed and possibly prosecuted but the end result would hopefully stop the corruption in the upcoming new members of our government.
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xcoastal Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:49 AM
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95. When citizens join their voices together, they can hold their leaders accountable
President Obama already told us what we must do. Now we MUST do it before it's too late. These are the President's words:
I learned long ago, when working as an organizer on the South Side of Chicago, that when citizens join their voices together, they can hold their leaders accountable. I'm not exempt from that. I'm certainly not perfect, and expect to be held accountable too. I cannot promise to agree with you on every issue. But I do promise to listen to your concerns, take them seriously, and seek to earn your ongoing support to change the country. That is why we have built the largest grassroots campaign in the history of presidential politics, and that is the kind of White House that I intend to run as President of the United States -- a White House that takes the Constitution seriously, conducts the peoples' business out in the open, welcomes and listens to dissenting views, and asks you to play your part in shaping our country’s destiny.
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:11 PM
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96. Thank you for speaking for me.n/t
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:32 PM
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103. DK&R
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:32 PM
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104. I'd actually be fine with Rove gettting some form of immunity . . .
. . . if led to him squealing like a pig about his bosses.
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FLyellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:38 PM
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105. Done.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:02 PM
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106. ...
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 01:02 PM by newtothegame
"There should be no deal offered to Karl Rove, no grant of executive privilege, no immunity, and no accommodation."

Then congratulations, cause you'll also get a no-SHOW. I want this so bad, but this dousche ain't gonna show up and testify for nothin. And unfortunately, although we got what we wanted in historical President, we shoulda probably been more focused on a PROGRESSIVE President. Asking Rove and Congress to cut deals...sheez...
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:05 PM
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107. Done... I was just told...
Conyers has a "NO DEAL" stance. I expressed my gratitude for this.

KICK!!!

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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:02 PM
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108. I finally got through by phone this morning and was told same as every one
else here that there is no deal, but it is only Thursday. It is very disappointing that Conyers would hear a request for a settlement by Obama.
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