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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:17 PM
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Poll question: How many years does the world have left?
Granted, the Presidency of Obama is a magnificent event and a great cause for hope. He has definitely dragged me out of the dumps, or at least done a lot to elevate my spirits and inspire me. But he's only human. There's still the rest of the world to worry about. Africa, Eastern Europe, and many undeveloped nations that are coming unglued under the current economic stresses.

Together we face these intimidating but certain inevitabilities, such as global warming, the collapse of Greenland, probably the collapse of the global economy, pervasive poverty, unrelenting drought, agricultural failure, widespread starvation, running out of oil, various predicted natural disasters, and a number of other likely scenarios.

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:19 PM
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1. To quote George Carlin
"The Planet isn't going anywhere...We are!"
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:44 PM
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17. That was the first thing I thought of, too. "The planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas."
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:29 PM
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25. George Carlin - one of my most favorite people - HE should have been a President
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I used to have one of his albums

"Occupation Foole"

yeah - way back when we had "records" before 8-tracks and cassettes even

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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:31 AM
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35. I miss Carlin's observations right now
You know he would have a ton to say on the state of things right now, and it would be just be a relief and a good lol to hear his take on what's going on right now.

I am growing weary of all the sugarcoating, and no dose of Carlin with which to cut it.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:19 PM
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2. Perhaps the world will be fine..
.. but humanity will not.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:20 PM
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3. 2012 December 23rd. I think it is.. Thats the end.. n/t
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:31 PM
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12. Maybe that's why we see so many people getting so much money...
like the 350 billion dollars that just simply disappeared before Obama took over.

"Nobody knows where the money went". (lyrics from some song. I be damned if I can remember the artist.)

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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:35 PM
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14. No way am I going out on my birthday!
Edited on Wed Feb-18-09 07:36 PM by Contrary1
At least not before my party. Or...maybe my party will be the reason for the end. :-)
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IDFbunny Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:12 PM
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21. Winter Solstice 12/21/2012
That's the end of the Mayan calander. Seems right for a new age. If it comes it will solve the world over population problem.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:55 AM
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40. Oh for the love of FUCK.
NT!

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:20 PM
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4. according to right wing whack jobs, 3 more years
and they seem intent on making it happen. Talk about self-fulfilling prophecies.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:21 PM
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5. we could go at any minute, or ten thousand years from now
I know that's a huge span, but that's the way it looks from my perspective.

We could go at any minute because pig-headed religious extremists (from ALL institutionalized religions) are doing everything they can to bring about Armageddon.

We will go eventually. It's simply a matter of when.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:23 PM
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6. The world has about 1.5 billion years of life sustaining habitability left...
due to the sun increasing in temperature, and approximately another 4 billion years before the world itself is consumed by the sun during its red giant phase. Humans, on the other hand, may kill ourselves and many other current species on the planet off long before then.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:29 PM
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11. See post #10 nt
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:40 PM
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15. I did say human beings may kill off many species on the planet and themselves...
doesn't mean that we will kill off all life, nor destroy the planet itself. The Earth will still exist, we would have been just the cause of another mass extinction event. In the 1.5 billion years still remaining, if another sapient species evolves on this planet, they will look at the fossils from our time, and call this time another mass extinction event, like the Permian extinction, though probably(I hope) not quite as bad as that event. It will probably be called by whatever name they attribute to our species with a word equivalent to mass extinction or event.

Environmentalism isn't about saving the planet, its about saving ourselves, we can so easily cause our own extinction, and all the damage wrought by humanity so far, from the industrial pollution to the gasses we released in the atmosphere causing global climate change will be easily shaken off by the Earth itself, and the life on it, after we are gone. Life will go on, for at least another 1.5 billion years, even if we did the unthinkable and had a global thermonuclear war, this is still true.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:24 PM
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7. Probably could have phrased that betterr
The world has roughly five billion years left before it is incinerated by the sun.

Human participation in the world may or may not make it that long. However, I'm optimistic that we're not facing global collapse of life as we know it.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:24 PM
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8. Humans will go extinct eventually.
And the Universe will celebrate.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:28 PM
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9. If the republikkans and their like minded idiots around the world would go extinct
I think the Universe would celebrate
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:28 PM
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10. According to some experts, about 40 years:
Earth 'will expire by 2050'

Our planet is running out of room and resources. Modern man has plundered so much, a damning report claims this week, that outer space will have to be colonised

The end of earth as we know it? Talk about it here

Observer Worldview

* Mark Townsend and Jason Burke
* The Observer, Sunday 7 July 2002
* Article history

Earth's population will be forced to colonise two planets within 50 years if natural resources continue to be exploited at the current rate, according to a report out this week.

A study by the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), to be released on Tuesday, warns that the human race is plundering the planet at a pace that outstrips its capacity to support life.

In a damning condemnation of Western society's high consumption levels, it adds that the extra planets (the equivalent size of Earth) will be required by the year 2050 as existing resources are exhausted.

The report, based on scientific data from across the world, reveals that more than a third of the natural world has been destroyed by humans over the past three decades.

Using the image of the need for mankind to colonise space as a stark illustration of the problems facing Earth, the report warns that either consumption rates are dramatically and rapidly lowered or the planet will no longer be able to sustain its growing population.

Experts say that seas will become emptied of fish while forests - which absorb carbon dioxide emissions - are completely destroyed and freshwater supplies become scarce and polluted.

The report offers a vivid warning that either people curb their extravagant lifestyles or risk leaving the onus on scientists to locate another planet that can sustain human life. Since this is unlikely to happen, the only option is to cut consumption now.

Systematic overexploitation of the planet's oceans has meant the North Atlantic's cod stocks have collapsed from an estimated spawning stock of 264,000 tonnes in 1970 to under 60,000 in 1995.

The study will also reveal a sharp fall in the planet's ecosystems between 1970 and 2002 with the Earth's forest cover shrinking by about 12 per cent, the ocean's biodiversity by a third and freshwater ecosystems in the region of 55 per cent.

The Living Planet report uses an index to illustrate the shocking level of deterioration in the world's forests as well as marine and freshwater ecosystems. Using 1970 as a baseline year and giving it a value of 100, the index has dropped to a new low of around 65 in the space of a single generation.

It is not just humans who are at risk. Scientists, who examined data for 350 kinds of mammals, birds, reptiles and fish, also found the numbers of many species have more than halved.

Martin Jenkins, senior adviser for the World Conservation Monitoring Centre in Cambridge, which helped compile the report, said: 'It seems things are getting worse faster than possibly ever before. Never has one single species had such an overwhelming influence. We are entering uncharted territory.'

Figures from the centre reveal that black rhino numbers have fallen from 65,000 in 1970 to around 3,100 now. Numbers of African elephants have fallen from around 1.2 million in 1980 to just over half a million while the population of tigers has fallen by 95 per cent during the past century.

The UK's birdsong population has also seen a drastic fall with the corn bunting population declining by 92 per cent between 1970 and 2000, the tree sparrow by 90 per cent and the spotted flycatcher by 70 per cent.

Experts, however, say it is difficult to ascertain how many species have vanished for ever because a species has to disappear for 50 years before it can be declared extinct.

Attention is now focused on next month's Earth Summit in Johannesburg, the most important environmental negotiations for a decade.

However, the talks remain bedevilled with claims that no agreements will be reached and that US President George W. Bush will fail to attend.

Matthew Spencer, a spokesman for Greenpeace, said: 'There will have to be concessions from the richer nations to the poorer ones or there will be fireworks.'

The preparatory conference for the summit, held in Bali last month, was marred by disputes between developed nations and poorer states and non-governmental organisations (NGOs), despite efforts by British politicians to broker compromises on key issues.

America, which sent 300 delegates to the conference, is accused of blocking many of the key initiatives on energy use, biodiversity and corporate responsibility.

The WWF report shames the US for placing the greatest pressure on the environment. It found the average US resident consumes almost double the resources as that of a UK citizen and more than 24 times that of some Africans.

Based on factors such as a nation's consumption of grain, fish, wood and fresh water along with its emissions of carbon dioxide from industry and cars, the report provides an ecological 'footprint' for each country by showing how much land is required to support each resident.

America's consumption 'footprint' is 12.2 hectares per head of population compared to the UK's 6.29ha while Western Europe as a whole stands at 6.28ha. In Ethiopia the figure is 2ha, falling to just half a hectare for Burundi, the country that consumes least resources.

The report, which will be unveiled in Geneva, warns that the wasteful lifestyles of the rich nations are mainly responsible for the exploitation and depletion of natural wealth. Human consumption has doubled over the last 30 years and continues to accelerate by 1.5 per cent a year.

Now WWF wants world leaders to use its findings to agree on specific actions to curb the population's impact on the planet.

A spokesman for WWF UK, said: 'If all the people consumed natural resources at the same rate as the average US and UK citizen we would require at least two extra planets like Earth.'

The world's ticking timebomb

Marine crisis:
North Atlantic cod stocks have collapsed from an estimated 264,000 tonnes in 1970 to under 60,000 in 1995.

Pollution:
The United States places the greatest pressure on the environment, with its carbon dioxide emissions and over-consumption. It takes 12.2 hectares of land to support each American citizen and 6.29 for each Briton, while the figure for Burundi is just half a hectare.

Shrinking Forests:
Between 1970 and 2002 forest cover has dwindled by 12 per cent.

Endangered wildlife:
African elephant numbers have fallen from 1.2 million in 1980 to half a million now. In the UK the songbird population has fallen dramatically, with the corn bunting declining by 92 per cent in the past 30 years.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:33 PM
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13. Other.
The world has, well, all the time in the world left. Human beings, on the other hand, will likely self-destruct in a much shorter time period.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:42 PM
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16. Yesterday is no more and tomorow never comes
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:45 PM
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18. The world has as many years left as I have left. Then there will be no world.
:cry:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:47 PM
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19. Billions & billions
Of course nothing will be able to live here.

Ask how long life has left on the planet and that will get an answer that is closer to the present.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 08:03 PM
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20. This planet is incredibly resilient
and has several billion years ahead of it before the sun runs out of fuel and becomes a red giant, incinerating and then vaporizing it.

We might be a rough draft for intelligence on the planet, to be succeeded by something with our brains and gift for building but not our curse for warfare.

The world will continue just fine even if we don't.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:33 PM
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26. so far . .
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it'll take a pandemic to cleanse the planet of us humans

but I agree that the planet will continue fine if we don't,

ACTUALLY

it, the planet, would do better without us . . .

we contribute nothing

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:13 PM
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22. a little less than four
when the Mayan calendar runs out, the lizard people who secretly rule earth will leave and we won't last a week.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:15 PM
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23. One thing we're in no danger of running out of soon: Overwrought predictions of imminent doom.
In fact, it's one of history's few constants. Someone, somewhere, is ALWAYS convinced we're "on the eve of destruction".

Not only isn't "the world" going anywhere any time soon (5-6 Billion years on the Sun's warranty, that's the real clock) but neither is the human race. We Will Survive.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:17 PM
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24. Nature has a way of mending itself...not always a pleasant way for certain species.
Particularly those intent on committing suicide.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:40 PM
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27. No one knows for sure, we only have today

All we can do is try to make the best choices for now.

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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:59 PM
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28. The world could have many
Humans, I'm not so sure about.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:00 AM
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29. It's likely to be around awhile. We need to plan accordingly.
Generations hence will expect us to make good decisions.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:00 AM
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30. 93 million or so.
The world is in absolutely no danger at all. Humans, on the other hand, are fucked. And good for them. Greedy assholes.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:06 AM
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31. Honestly, I don't see how the earth can even make it past this coming week
Given current trends, I fully expect to see all of humanity dying off in the days ahead. I mean "days" literally. By the end of February, we'll probably be down to just a few scattered humans surviving on the uncooked flesh of their own family members. And that's when the damn dirty apes will start talking and mastering firearms.

Beware... beware...
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:09 AM
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32. Until a major nuclear war, or an asteroid big enough to kill us all hits.
For anything less than that, there are humans living all over the world, some in extremely remote areas that are not dependent on our society, there will be people left somewhere to start over if we manage to destroy our civilization.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:19 AM
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33. Humanity will never die
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 12:23 AM by Juche
We survived the black plague before we even knew what germ theory was. Even if there are trillion dollar catastrophes and billions die, human civilization will still go on and slowly rebuild itself. Even if 99% of use die off, the remaining 1% will find a way to rebuild civilization. An intact library to congregate around will save the survivors a good deal of time in rebuilding society. Think of us as an intelligent virus. We can't be killed off in total.

On the Kardashev scale, once a planet obtains type II levels of technology, supposedly its inhabitants are never going to die. By that point they have the technology to withstand any and every possible disaster they could face on their own planet or from the universe at large. Supposedly we are 100-200 years from that point.

Point is, I'm not worried. I think you are confusing the survival of humanity, the survival of the planet, and the survival of a decent standard of living and stability. They are not the same thing. The planet will survive for 5 billion years.

However our standard of living could go down dramatically over the next few decades if we do not deal with it properly. But that is not going to drag us into the dark ages. We have too much incentive to have a functioning technocracy to not fight to rebuild it.

FTR, the % of humanity that is malnourished has dropped from about 40% in the 1980s to about 18% today. Poverty levels went down alot in the developing world too (mostly due to China). Agricultural yields are up and keep going up. China is investing heavily in African agriculture to improve yields.

Standard of living could decline badly in the next few decades, but overall most of us will still be better off than we were 2 generations ago, even if the worst does happen.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:26 AM
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34. Republicans will be around for 3 more years. The rest of us
will go on for another million or so.

mark
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:36 AM
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36. I think were doomed on 12/21/ 2012
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 12:45 AM by Politicalboi
I mean they did find ice age mammals fossils in warm places. That doesn't leave much to the imagination that the Earth probably switched polars before and there ain't nothing we can do if it does again. How many licks to the center of a Tootsie Pop is the real question. The world will never know.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:43 AM
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37. If we smarten up, it's probably infinite.
Until an outside catastrophe happens (asteroid, etc).

Sadly, we're people and smartening up usually happens a bit too late.
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Mr. Hyde Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:46 AM
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38. 3 according to the Mayans and Nostradaumus. nt
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:54 AM
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39. Thank you for not attributing our demise to 2012. Jesus, that nonsense gets old.
Woowoo bullshit is so damn annoying.

Anyway... the world will be okay. Us? Um, not so sure.

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