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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 09:54 AM
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Getting Prepared for the Great Collapse -- Dmitry Orlov
http://www.organicconsumers.org:80/articles/article_16876.cfm

(snip) . . .

But let's take it apart. Starting from the very general, what are the current macroeconomic objectives, if you listen to the hot air coming out of Washington at the moment? First: growth, of course! Getting the economy going. We learned nothing from the last huge spike in commodity prices, so let's just try it again. That calls for economic stimulus, a.k.a. printing money. Let's see how high the prices go up this time. Maybe this time around we will achieve hyperinflation. Second: Stabilizing financial institutions: getting banks lending ¬ that's important too. You see, we are just not in enough debt yet, that's our problem. We need more debt, and quickly! Third: jobs! We need to create jobs. Low-wage jobs, of course, to replace all the high-wage manufacturing jobs we've been shedding for decades now, and replacing them with low-wage service sector jobs, mainly ones without any job security or benefits. Right now, a lot of people could slow down the rate at which they are sinking further into debt if they quit their jobs. That is, their job is a net loss for them as individuals as well as for the economy as a whole. But, of course, we need much more of that, and quickly!

So that's what we have now. The ship is on the rocks, water is rising, and the captain is shouting "Full steam ahead! We are sailing to Afghanistan!" Do you listen to Ahab up on the bridge, or do you desert your post in the engine room and go help deploy the lifeboats? If you thought that the previous episode of uncontrolled debt expansion, globalized Ponzi schemes, and economic hollowing-out was silly, then I predict that you will find this next episode of feckless grasping at macroeconomic straws even sillier. Except that it won't be funny: what is crashing now is our life support system: all the systems and institutions that are keeping us alive. And so I don't recommend passively standing around and watching the show ¬ unless you happen to have a death wish.

Right now the Washington economic stimulus team is putting on their Scuba gear and diving down to the engine room to try to invent a way to get a diesel engine to run on seawater. They spoke of change, but in reality they are terrified of change and want to cling with all their might to the status quo. But this game will soon be over, and they don't have any idea what to do next.

So, what is there for them to do? Forget "growth," forget "jobs," forget "financial stability." What should their realistic new objectives be? Well, here they are: food, shelter, transportation, and security. Their task is to find a way to provide all of these necessities on an emergency basis, in absence of a functioning economy, with commerce at a standstill, with little or no access to imports, and to make them available to a population that is largely penniless. If successful, society will remain largely intact, and will be able to begin a slow and painful process of cultural transition, and eventually develop a new economy, a gradually de-industrializing economy, at a much lower level of resource expenditure, characterized by a quite a lot of austerity and even poverty, but in conditions that are safe, decent, and dignified. If unsuccessful, society will be gradually destroyed in a series of convulsions that will leave a defunct nation composed of many wretched little fiefdoms. Given its largely depleted resource base, a dysfunctional, collapsing infrastructure, and its history of unresolved social conflicts, the territory of the Former United States will undergo a process of steady degeneration punctuated by natural and man-made cataclysms.

(much more). . .

http://www.organicconsumers.org:80/articles/article_16876.cfm
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 09:59 AM
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1. Order your seeds, and get ready to garden now...
Whether you do it as an individual household, a neighborhood, or a community...get growing. Get the systems in place now.

Just scan the items in this blog, and the facts paint a plain picture of the possibilities. Now, I reckon, it's time to take action on basic food security...everything helps.

http://www.thecalloftheland.com

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:15 AM
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2. Seeds from Monsanto ...uhm you can guess where that will take us.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:25 AM
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3. You can buy from Monsanto if you want sterile, mutant crapola
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 10:27 AM by SpiralHawk
But no sane or sober person would. Sounds to me like a Republicon strategery for FAIL (something they are so skilled at)

Buy open-pollinated seeds if you are wise, and save them from year to year...That's what the blog recommends, and I recommend it, too.

I've been saving organic, open-pollinated heirloom (non-mutant, non-GMO, non-hybrid) seeds for years...they are more valuable than stock market investments (for sure).
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:31 AM
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4. Just received my SSE package last week...
This year I will begin to save my own. I've never tried it, but was planning on seed saving this year as an experiment anyhow.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:53 AM
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8. Problem might be that Monsanto could still accuse those who use open pollinated seeds...
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 11:57 AM by L0oniX
of patent infringement because your open pollinated seeds may become cross pollinated with those of Monsanto. You would need lawyers and money of course to fight them and that is what they count on. I hate Monsanto with a passion! These sociopaths need to be exterminated.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.cfm
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:52 PM
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9. Have you met Obama's Sec of Agriculture?
Not very inspiring.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 05:56 PM
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15. I know.
:evilfrown:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:23 PM
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12. But if we're at that point, there will be no one around to enforce it
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 05:18 PM
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14. organic seeds
Do you have any good sources that you'd recommend? I'm getting ready to order seeds and would prefer organic/heirloom if possible. Thanks!:hi:
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Change has come Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:00 AM
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18. Here is a great resource.
Fairly inexpensive and lots of variety.

http://www.bountifulgardens.org/
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:40 PM
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22. Thanks so much! Happy gardening!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:31 AM
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5. K&R. Apt analogy.
:kick: & R

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:46 AM
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6. The word "change" has become one word that I despise to no end.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:31 AM
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7. "Change is good." - Sen. Diaper Dave Vitter (R)
"Every now and then." - Sen. Diaper Dave Vitter (R)
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:43 PM
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13. . .
:rofl:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:18 PM
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10. !
WE cashed out and moved to The Woods in 2006.


Fear of Global Collapse was NOT the reason, and we genuinely hope it does NOT happen.

We are old Hippies, and are attracted to the sustainable, organic, independent lifestyle.
We were more concerned with the corruption/contamination of our Corporate Food Supply, and the lack of representation in our One Party political system.

Still, reading things like this makes me glad we left when we did.









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ffr Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:53 AM
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16. Visionary
Good for you. Lucky for you.
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 01:42 AM
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17. Good for you.
That is my dream/plan someday too. I've always wanted to live 'off the grid' but my growing concern over our food supply makes me want to hurry up and move out to the country.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:58 AM
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19. great looking garden ya got there . . .
I used to have a huge garden when I had the land . . . grew all my own veggies, plus grapes, blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, and blackberries . . . had plenty to feed us, and more than enough to share with friends and neighbors . . . a back injury pretty much ended my gardening days, but I hope to do a little small scale stuff (tomatoes, etc.) this year . . .

kudos on a really nice job . . . :)

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:32 AM
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21. A warming scene - brings encouragement
thank you
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:20 PM
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11. Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 06:07 AM
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20. Er . . .
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