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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:54 PM
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Texas may let hunters shoot pigs from helicopters
MERTZON, Texas (AP) — Millions of wild pigs weighing up to 300 pounds have been tearing up crops, trampling fences and eating just about anything in their path in Texas. But now they had better watch their hairy backs.
A state lawmaker is proposing to allow ordinary Texans with rifles and shotguns to shoot the voracious, tusked animals from helicopters.

For years, ranchers in the Lone Star State have hired professional hunters in choppers to thin the hogs' fast-multiplying ranks. Now state Rep. Sid Miller of the Fort Worth area wants to bring more firepower to the task by issuing permits to sportsmen.

"I've had numerous calls and complaints that someone needs to do something," Miller said. "We're losing ground on this problem."

If approved, it could be the first program of its kind in the nation. Some other states, like Gov. Sarah Palin's Alaska, allow aerial hunting, but only to control predators, such as bears and wolves.

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Some Texans worry about collateral damage.

"If they're going to open up to where you can do this and anybody who's got a helicopter can go off to an old boy's place and hunt, that's going to be bad," said Jay Smith, owner of Smith Helicopters in Cotulla. Some people "may get confused and shoot the rancher's dog or a calf."

Miller gave assurances the hunting would be closely regulated, though details on such things as how many hunters would be allowed to take part, and how many hogs they would be permitted to kill, have yet to be worked out.

"You're not going to have some bubba up there going, 'Pass me a beer and ammo' and hunting some hogs," the legislator said. "We certainly want to do it right."

Many hunters and landowners will probably leave the carcasses in the field, just as they do now. Wild hogs that are gunned down cannot be sold for meat under U.S. agriculture regulations. (Moreover, wild boar is said by some to be tough and gamey.)

An estimated 2 million wild hogs are causing $52 million a year in crop damage in Texas, according to agricultural experts. Pigs that they are, they eat just about anything, including the carcasses of their own brethren. They trample crops, dig up plants with their snouts and steal animal feed. Entire peanut farms have been stripped.

And the pasture-wrecking porkers are causing trouble well beyond farms. Authorities in Texas are reporting an increase in collisions between hogs and cars, while golf courses and suburbs are increasingly finding turf uprooted by hogs.

The animals are descended from hogs introduced into Texas by Spanish explorers more than 300 years ago. But their numbers began booming in the 1980s.

The big ones have no natural predators. Not even a coyote will tangle with a pig bigger than 20 pounds.

During a recent pass in his helicopter over Mertzon in West Texas, Kyle Lange, a professional hunter who is paid to pick off wild hogs from the air in what some are calling a "pork chopper," offered a glimpse of the magnitude of the problem.

As his helicopter flew over, several packs of hogs that had been rooting around in the brush or napping in the sun suddenly scattered in all directions, with piglets scampering to keep close to their mothers, the little hairs on their backs blown back by the breeze from the chopper.

"You can kill 300 in a day from up here in the Panhandle and you've just slowed them down is all," Lange said over the whump-whump of his two-seat chopper.

Wildlife experts have tried less brutal methods to control their numbers. But the hogs are smart and have learned to avoid traps, and a birth control pill for female hogs is still in development. Many experts agree aerial hunting works.

Nearly 1,100 permits to kill hogs from the air were issued in Texas last year, up from 201 in 2000. Under Miller's bill, weekend hunters would be able to get permits too, though they would also have to pay landowners for the right to hunt on their property.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-02-19-pig-hunting_N.htm?csp=34


Hunting from helicopters another thing Texas has in common with Alaska.
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:55 PM
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1. When did Sarah Palin
become a Texas lawmaker?
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:56 PM
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2. Thought it was a story about hunting Republicans.....nt
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:56 PM
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3. Having only read the headline I would suggest
THAT ALL REPUBLICANS HIDE!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:57 PM
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4. This isn't awfully green
palling around in gas guzzling helicopters
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:57 PM
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5. so will wolves catch and eat wild pigs? nt
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:57 PM
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6. They should just introduce some velociraptors to the area.
That will take care of the wild boar problem.
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Wildewolfe Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:58 PM
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7. This isn't so much hunting
as it is pest contol. It's a non indiginous species running out of control. I don't know if this is the best way to get the wild pigs under control or not, but it's not the same thing as going up and killing wolves (an indiginous species) in alaska.

It's the same problem as burmese pythons going out of control in florida, though they're not gonna use helicopter hunting for that.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:58 PM
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8. Depending on the habitat, wild hogs can destroy the local environment and have no real enemies.
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 07:07 PM by jody
Hogzilla was killed not far from the farm in Georgia on which I lived as a child.



ON EDIT ADD:
Picture of a hog killed in 2007 in Alabama.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:16 PM
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30. That is a whole lot of bacon
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:01 PM
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9. Will they start with DeLay and Gramm?
I'd be all for that! Bigger swine don't exist.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:02 PM
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10. Here's a thought. Ship that meat around to people who are
hungry. Those javelinas can be good eating if cooked right.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:05 PM
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13. You can give 'em a candy heart
to go with each pig. What a treat!

:hi:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:06 PM
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14. I'd be happy to!
:D :fistbump:
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:11 PM
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21. Not javelinas.
Wild hogs. Our place is overrun with them, and I have signed a consent with the county agent's office giving permission for flyover hunting. The meat is taken to the butcher and distributed to the needy. One time, I came across a government hunter on the back nine of the Denison Country club late in the evening. He was all camo'ed up, and was carrying a BAR with a big heavy barrel. He told me that he had killed sixteen on the local golf course after hours. Scared the bejeebers out of me stepping out of the woods in that outfit.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:15 PM
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28. Thanks for the correction, and I'm very happy to read
the meat is going where it's needed. That's perfect. If these hogs are so dangerous and prolific, I do see the need to thin the herds.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:03 PM
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11. Don't give the meat to the food bank
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 07:04 PM by sandnsea
whatever you do, not that.

:sarcasm:
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:11 PM
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22. Well now, that's a great idea
Let's give all the meat to the food bank...and while you're at it, give them some free chainsaws to use as steak knives.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:14 PM
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27. Because the article said so?
Google is your friend. Use it. Texans donate hogs to food banks all the time.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:05 PM
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12. "Moreover, wild boar is said by some to be tough and gamey"..
Best tasting meat I've ever eaten was wild boar. :wtf:
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:07 PM
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15. This is why city folks need not have an opinion about what rural people do.
If wild boars were running around New York City, what would we do? The police would shoot them. But when wild boars are rampant in a rural and semi-rural area, it's "redneckery" to kill them.

My partner's grandmom is scared to death to walk outdoors because she might get gutted by a wild boar. The boars hit the house with a thud sometimes. It's called animal control. Unless you're okay with wild gorillas running amok in NYC, let the Texans handle their boar infestation.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:10 PM
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19. No, it is the method
First they say they can't trap them, but the truth is they can. Then they say they can't be eaten, but the truth is they can. Then they say hunters have to pay to go on private land, when the truth is that in most of the rest of the country, they can go on private land with permission only.

I don't know what the exact scam is here, but there is one.

In just about any other state there's two ways to handle a problem like this. One is a bounty and the rancher is thrilled to let repsonsible hunters on their property. The other is letting fish & game do the hunting/trapping and giving the meat to food banks.

This article is pure shit and anybody who doesn't see it is the kind of "redneck" that needs to travel or something because they're idiots who are ruining the planet.
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bird gerhl Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:07 PM
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16. This could have horrific consequences.
Everybody in Texas vaguely resembles a pig, especially from way up in the air.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:36 PM
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35. Thanks! I'll be sure to tell all my friends tonight that we look like pigs. n/t
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:08 PM
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17. This is one animal that NEEDS to be shot from the air
Pigs are hard to kill in one shot, vicious and breed like rabbits. If you sent people out to shoot these from the ground, you'd have a lot of injured hunters.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:08 PM
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18. They've been there for 300 years and their numbers
just suddenly started booming in the 80's, sounds strange to me. Did they just discover sex? Can't they just hunt them like deer or any other pest?
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:10 PM
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20. "Wild hogs that are gunned down cannot be sold for meat under U.S. agriculture regulations."
Okay, so they're not suitable for human consumption -- what about for dog or cat food? (Dogs and cats being natural carnivores.) Or why couldn't their hides be used for leather?

I'm not against thinning out the wild pig population, but I think it's really wrong to not make use of them in some way. If the wild pig corpses left lying around leads to an increase in the scavenger populations, are those scavengers protected? If the coyote population increases due to an increase of wild pig carcasses to feed on, are the coyotes going to be subject to increased killing, too?

sw
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:13 PM
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25. Operative Word - SOLD
They can be donated to food banks. Google some articles about hogs in Texas. Happens all the time.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:20 PM
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31. Thank you! Got it! I just hate seeing meat going to waste when there are hungry people out there.
I have no problem with killing animals for meat. I only have a problem with wasting the life of an animal by not making some good use of it.

sw
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:25 PM
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32. I prefer honest hunting
and full use of the meat. That's what makes me mad about this article. It's just more selfishness by people who can't be bothered to find a rational solution to a problem man made in the first place. It's no different than the buffalo hunts back in the 1800s. People are starving all over the world and these idiots want to slaughter animals from helicopters and leave the meat to rot. Aargh.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:39 PM
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36. I'm with you, it's not the hunting, it's what happens after the animal is killed.
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 07:40 PM by scarletwoman
As I said in my post -- what's going to happen when the natural scavengers get an increased food supply? Are the helicopter hunters going to want to thin the scavenger numbers, too?
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:13 PM
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23. These feral hogs can be a real nuisance and pose problems to farmers
in the form of crop damage and disease transmission to domestic animals. They breed prolifically and spread rapidly. They are not a species that you want to encourage.

Some of the men I work with hunt them. If the animal is not too big, the meat doesn't have a gamy taste if properly cooked. They have most of it ground up into sausage. We've used it in chili and other recipes and it's really quite tasty.

Arkansas allows hunting during any regular hunting season with no limit. More info at link.

http://www.agfc.com/hunting/feral_hogs.aspx
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:13 PM
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24. not a bad idea...
it`s a lot safer than hunting them on the ground.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:16 PM
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29. People who need meat have helicopters
sitting around all the time.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:13 PM
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26. Wolves and Pigs...
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 07:16 PM by liberalmuse
Are probably the most intelligent mammals, aside from Dolphins. I hate this fucking planet. Human beings have no idea how lucky we are to have animals and insects living amongst us. To be blunt, most humans SUCK. Animals don't. At least I can understand their savagery as being a by product of instinct, but it's a little difficult to understand how human beings, with the ability to think, can behave worst than animals on a daily basis. Animals are a fucking pleasure, a privilage, and they make this planet a better place by their mere existance, and we shoot the fuck out of them.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:45 PM
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37. Those hogs have no natural predators.
They would not even be there if humans hadn't introduced them to that area. Killing them would rectify our mistake.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:30 PM
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33. Bush best stay indoors.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:34 PM
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34. that`s right..his ranch was a pig farm
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