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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:46 PM
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Rough Justice from DOJ Exposes "Voter Fraud" ='s Voter Suppression-Collins/Scoop
From: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0703/S00474.htm

U.S. Attorney Firings Exposes Rough Justice



“Voter Fraud” Prevention Equals
Voter Suppression



The radiance of election success.
Comandante Agi
Rights

Michael Collins
“Scoop” Independent News
Washington, D.C.


There’s a new clue to the motivation behind the recent firing of federal prosecutors. Reporters Gordon, Talev and Taylor of McClatchy Newspapers established a likely relationship between the post 2000 hard right turn in civil rights policies at the Department of Justice and the promotion of the new cadre of right wing U.S. Attorneys who support restricting voter eligibility. Karl Rove’s own words on the subject indicates a further connection between recent appointments in nine states where very tight Congressional races were anticipated

The Bush Justice Department is imploding after years of consistently undermining the rights and freedoms of those citizens it claims to serve. From the Patriot Act to the unfettered sadism endorsed at White House inspired and sponsored torture centers around the world, the Justice Department stands with the White House. It provides a fig leaf of legal justification for the various adventures which involve war, death a suffering.

Politicians and officials are taking cover from the dangerous debris of the fired federal prosecutor’s scandal. The legislative craftsman who allowed Bush to perform the previously barred dismissals, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), is now openly critical of the firings. The Democrats on Capitol Hill are uniquely focused in their demands that Gonzales go. Even Cong. Tom Tancredo (R-CO), a rabid right wing opponent of immigration, called on Bush to fire Gonzales.

The “Scoop” Independent News analysis of March 12, 2007 suggested that one prime motivation behind the abrupt firing of at least four of the eight U.S. attorneys was their failure to cooperate on election fraud related issues. In the case of two, it was a failure to pursue indictments requested by prominent state Republicans in New Mexico and Washington State. It seems the U.S. Attorneys in Nevada and San Diego went too far in their investigations of sitting Republican office holders. Fired U.S. Attorney Daniel Bogden had the FBI looking into problems with Nevada’s must-win candidate for governor, Republican Jim Gibbons (who won). San Diego based U.S. Attorney Carol Lam put former Republican Cong. “Duke” Cunningham in jail and was investigating another Californian, Cong. Jerry Lewis (R-CA).

New evidence and revelations are flooding the media since March 12th. It suggests a coordinated effort to use the “voter fraud” anomaly as a key vehicle to promote the very real phenomenon of voter suppression. There have been 24 convictions in three years of focused investigation, hence the term anomaly rather than problem.

Election Fraud versus Voter Fraud

Lorraine C. Minnite, PhD of Barnard College, Columbia University just published a major article explaining voter fraud. Here distinctions between voter and election fraud are critical:

Voter fraud is the “intentional corruption of the electoral process by the voter.” This definition covers knowingly and willingly giving false information to establish voter eligibility, and knowingly and willingly voting illegally or participating in a conspiracy to encourage illegal voting by others. All other forms of corruption of the electoral process and corruption committed by elected or election officials, candidates, party organizations, advocacy groups or campaign workers fall under the wider definition of election fraud.


Voter fraud is the retail while election fraud is the wholesale corruption of elections.

Florida 2000 provides an excellent example of documented election fraud.. At least 50 thousand eligible, registered voters were removed from the voting rolls before the election by Katherine Harris, Florida’s Secretary of State under Jeb Bush. These voters were almost all black Floridians. During the election, nearly 100 thousand “spoiled” (supposedly uncountable) ballots were disqualified in Florida, most of which in precincts with predominantly black populations. The blatant voter suppression by Harris was acknowledged by the state of Florida in a 2002 consent decree it reached with the NAACP. Florida 2000 election fraud cost Al Gore the election by removing thousands of voters who would have chosen him by overwhelming margins.

Ohio’s 2004 election was the scene of number of well documented charges of election fraud. These included the old standby voter suppression and the new variation, vote switching. One recent analysis demonstrated exactly how this new scheme works by studying precincts with over 160 thousand punch card ballots. In addition to direct examination of ballots, high level statistical analysis shows the wholesale shift of votes to Bush. As a result, he took the presidency again since Ohio was the deciding state.

The Voter Fraud Fantasy – 24 Convictions Nationwide from 2002 through 2005

Voter fraud is hardly a crime wave. In fact with just 24 convictions in 3 years, it’s barely a crime let alone an issue worthy of national focus. Yet considerable time and effort is devoted to this microscopic phenomenon. The McClatchy Newspapers describe Rove’s attention to this non issue in a speech given to a Republican attorneys association.

Rove thanked the audience for "all that you are doing in those hot spots around the country to ensure that the integrity of the ballot is protected." He added, "A lot in American politics is up for grabs." McClatchy Newspapers 23 March 2007


Bush chimed in claiming that “he's heard complaints from Republicans about some U.S. attorneys' "lack of vigorous prosecution of election fraud cases.”

Are these people delusional? We’re able to find just 24 convictions between 2002 and 2005. The Republicans controlled all three branches of government during that period.
Is a national effort producing twenty four convictions the best they could do? There were over 120 million citizens voted in 2004. Did the Department of Justice need more targets? The lack of convictions when uniform national pressure is applied demonstrates that there is hardly any voter fraud occurring in the United States.

Why the Effort to Attack a Problem that Doesn’t Exist? It’s All About Suppressing the Vote

Why? It’s simple. The payoff in suppressed votes from hostile voting groups is the real goal. Voter fraud initiatives result in solutions to problems that don’t exist. However, those solutions provide a rationale to create the type of problems that are desirable by those who choose to suppress the vote. Which voters am I talking about? The poor, black and Latino citizens in particular, and, to a lesser degree, college and university students strongly favor Democrats. Any process which subtracts voters from these groups adds vote margins to right wing candidates, typically but not always Republicans.

Here’s how it works. You speak repeatedly of the non existent problem of voter fraud, over and over. At the Federal level, you start something called the Ballot Access and Voter Integrity Initiative. It suggests that there are hoards of voters out there who want to vote illegally on their own or, even worse, at the behest of nefarious individuals who might organize these hoards. You hint broadly that these voters are minorities and maybe even illegal aliens.

If there’s an initiative to solve a problem, you assume some people will believe that the problem actually exists. Those who actually know better, state legislators, sponsor and pass legislation like restrictive voter identification requirements for both the registration and voting processes. The net result is a series of laws at the state level that make it harder to vote for the previously mentioned target groups. Missouri’s most recent attempt at a restrictive voter identification law was judged to be unconstitutional before it was ever enacted.

When you are accused of suppressing the minority and poor vote, you engage in the false argument about tradeoffs. You assert that restrictive voter identification requirements are necessary to prevent voter fraud (all eight cases a year!). You say you want people to vote but opponents of voter ID requirements are really promoting voter fraud. It’s all quite brilliant, symmetrical, and self perpetuating.

Former Georgia Governor Roy Barnes simplified the analysis last week when he said

"Georgia's had a long history of being a state where we only want a certain number of people, a certain color of people, to vote," argued former Gov. Roy Barnes, now a private attorney.


Georgia is not alone.

The Fired Federal Prosecutors and Voter Fraud


Alberto Gonzales


The fired federal prosecutors’ connection to election fraud has expanded to the combination of the firings, the replacements of those fired, and pre 2006 election appointments of politicized U.S. attorneys. One goal emerges: the full compliance by U.S. Attorneys with the great sham, voter fraud prevention, which results in the suppression of those voters you don’t want voting - minorities, the poor, and students.

The cynicism of this effort is breath taking. Two consecutive top law enforcement officers of the United States, Ashcroft and Gonzalez, used the office of U.S.
Attorney General to promote the fiction of voter fraud knowing full well that the net effect of the effort had nothing to do with the phantom problem they claimed to attack. There is no evidence that a single U.S. Attorney spoke up to object. The efforts were really a fabrication to justify the highly restrictive legislation promoted at the state level to reduce voter participation in heavily Democratic constituencies.

This U.S. Attorney scandal is supposedly about a process of removing government officials without proper deliberation. The development of that scandal opened up a much larger issue; the planned execution of an effort to stop people form voting simply based on their voting preferences and their inability to resist new laws due to their relatively weak political status.

How low with those charged to enforce the laws sink if they’re willing to engage in a sham effort to stop a nonexistent crime which allows them to promote and commit the very real crime of voter suppression?

END


See “Politicized U.S. Attorneys,” a preliminary analysis of the McClatchy article examining U.S. Attorney appointments in the nine states mentioned in the contest of the 2006 midterm Congressional elections.

*************


Permission to reprint with attribution of authorship and a link to this article at “Scoop’ Independent News.

From: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0703/S00474.htm

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:58 PM
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1. That picture is so gross
First rec anyway

and yikes
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:04 PM
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3. Jeb is having a spiritual experience - "come to the light"

He's the alpha, Gonzo is the omega. What a crew! Can't even win a real election.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:01 PM
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2. Onward.
Keep pluggin'.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:05 PM
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4. ...to end the equation...
..."Voter Suppression Equals *Shadow Government*"
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:06 PM
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5. Nominated.
Thank you for this. Very well done!

The chickens are coming home to roost.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:13 PM
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16. And there's a hungry farmer waiting at the gate.

I can't believe how totally cynical this voter fraud business is, and that's saying a lot considering
what I've seen. They shock even the most jaded.

They have conferences on this and USA's volunteer to be "trainers." What a total joke. It's like
the old Soviet Union. Iglesias was a "voter fraud" trainer. Yikes!

As I said, it's so bad:

There is no evidence that a single U.S. Attorney spoke up to object. The efforts were really a fabrication to justify the highly restrictive legislation promoted at the state level to reduce voter participation in heavily Democratic constituencies.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:10 PM
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6. It's the reason Domenici lawyered up.
He's going to need a lawyer.

Another little known fact rarely seen on DU per Senator Dick Durbin:

Out of over 470 previous US attorneys, only THREE have ever been fired for anything other than criminal conduct.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:16 PM
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18. Could it be..."Obstruction of Justice" (the Department of...)

I think it was all about protecting Heather Wilson, (R-NM). She's supposed to step right in
the hot seat that Domenici wants to leave her. What an unfortunate past she has with the
sequestered file etc.

Time for her to lawyer up too.

Great fact on the 3 fired...amazing. These guys are "special."
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:16 PM
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19. Could it be..."Obstruction of Justice" (the Department of...)

I think it was all about protecting Heather Wilson, (R-NM). She's supposed to step right in
the hot seat that Domenici wants to leave her. What an unfortunate past she has with the
sequestered file etc.

Time for her to lawyer up too.

Great fact on the 3 fired...amazing. These guys are "special."
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:37 PM
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7. God Damn that Jeb Bush picture scares the hell out of me!!!!
We just got rid of him here in Florida... yikes!!

What the hell happened there?

Doug D.
Orlando, FL
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:18 PM
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21. Jeb is having a spiritual experience - "come to the light"

He's the symbol of election fraud - the "Alpha" - and Gonzo is the Omega. It's all over.
Their game is up.

I don't know exactly where the pic is from. It was free to use and I really liked it.

It is very creepy. althecat of "Scoop" blew it up to show the true horror of ruining democracy.

You've got a much better deal down there now.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0703/S00134.htm

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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 04:52 AM
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54. That picture *has* to be photoshopped...
look at the one I just did with your pic of Gonzo from this thread..




.... and I'm still learning how to use this paint shop pro.... and teaching myself, to boot. I don't have a very good teacher, except for trial and error, but it works for me.

Keep up the great work though, we appreciate what you do.

Ghost
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galloglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:44 PM
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8. K and R # 10
This U.S. Attorney scandal is supposedly about a process of removing government officials without proper deliberation. The development of that scandal opened up a much larger issue; the planned execution of an effort to stop people form voting simply based on their voting preferences and their inability to resist new laws due to their relatively weak political status.

How low with those charged to enforce the laws sink if they’re willing to engage in a sham effort to stop a nonexistent crime which allows them to promote and commit the very real crime of voter suppression?



How Low, Sweet Harriet??

How low will they sink? Well as low as they needs be,

Till we all rise high, make them dance from the tall tree !!



(from an Old Irish spiritual, "Stretching Larry")





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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:20 PM
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22. You never geat around the bush!
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 09:20 PM by autorank
There isn't enough wood...

These guys steal anything that isn't nailed down.

Go get 'em in Missouri!!!

You're our very best hope!!!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:45 PM
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9. More proof they thought Nixon's mistake was not going far enough.
Great article. That Michael Collins is equal parts Tom Paine, Ben Franklin, and Samuel Adams.

:thumbsup:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:21 PM
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23. We'll raise our glasses together on the road to victory
:toast:

:thumbsup: to you and all my West Coast friends!!!!!
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:48 PM
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10. Any info about U.S. Attorney in Ohio?
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 08:54 PM by DemReadingDU
Most of us are aware of the election problems in Ohio for the 2004 races which cost Sen Kerry the presidency.

But in Ohio for the 2006 races, Ohio won major Democratic races... Governor Strickland, Senator Brown, and many state offices.

I would think that there would be a U.S. Attorney in Ohio playing some kind of part in the election for 2008 that would try to save remaining Republican offices by using tactics to damage Democrats.

Does anyone have any info about the U.S. Attorney in Ohio?


edit to add...

Gregory G. Lockhart - Southern District
nominated by President Bush on September 4, 2001 and confirmed by the Senate on October 11, 2001.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ohs/USA%20bio.html

Gregory A. White - Northern District
appointed by President George W. Bush on March 24, 2003
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ohn/us/usattorney.html

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:23 PM
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24. Thanks for that info. Not much there other than they don't do their jobs.
Blackwell, etc. Trashing elections for years - 2004, 2005 (Hackett, Special Measures), 2006.

I guess that they were so busy looking for the .75 cases of voter fraud a year in Ohio, they forgot
to check out the ELECTION FRAUD.

Thanks for the links!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:49 PM
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36. Did USA Greg White Postpone Announcing the Noe Scandal?
US Attorney Interference and the '04 OH Election

We know the GOP went to all lengths to suppress the Dem vote in Ohio. How far were they willing to go? Were they willing to use justice appointees to postpone a major story on GOP corruption? We are hearing stories of USAs who were fired for NOT using their powers to help win elections, but not the reports to those USAs who were willing.

Lucas County, OH Prosecutor Julia Bates presented US Attorney Gregory White with evidence on Tom Noe on October 13, 2004 (22 days before the November 2, 2004 Presidential Election). Ms Bates, who is a Democrat, was up for re-election (although un-opposed in 2004).

Seems like Rep Conyers and Rep Kaptur had concerns about a Ohio US Attorney. In a letter in August of 2005 (link at bottom) to AG Gonzales, they write this regarding the Noe investigation:

OF SPECIAL INTEREST NOTE THESE PARAGRAPHS:

"As a matter of fact, the numerous delays in the investigation have already raised the specter of political favoritism. From documents that have been made public, we know that the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Ohio, Gregory White, who is leading the federal investigation, had prior knowledge of the losses before the 2004 presidential election, as did the Governor of Ohio and other officials.16 At the same time, no investigation was initiated on these matters until spring of this year.17

The fact pattern present in this case, particularly with the new disclosure that the lead federal prosecutor may well have gotten his job as a result of a political appeal by Governor Taft's office to Karl Rove, make it abundantly clear that a special counsel is necessitated. We urge you to make such a designation immediately to help restore public trust in this very important investigation. "

That letter came after a early July 2005 letter from Rep Conyers to OH US Attorney Gregory White:

Dear Mr. White,

I write to you because of my very serious concerns regarding the manner in which your office has handled the investigation into alleged federal campaign finance violations involving the 2004 Bush-Cheney campaign and other Republican candidates. In particular, I am concerned that your office delayed investigating this very serious matter until after the 2004 presidential election and as a result prejudiced the government's ability to pursue justice in the case.

It is my understanding that on October 13, 2004, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of Ohio was provided evidence from Lucas County grand jury proceedings suggesting extensive federal campaign finance violations took place involving Tom Noe, the leading Bush-Cheney campaign official in the region for the 2004 campaign. On the same day, it was reported that your office shared this information with the Justice Department's Public Integrity Section, and that later that day, the Section e-mailed to the U.S. Attorney's Office authorization to investigate the matter. Two days later, on October 15, it was reported that the local prosecutor's office gave their evidence to the FBI.

It has been further reported by the Toledo Blade that you began your investigation into the case around early March 2005. Subsequent news reports stated that federal grand jury proceedings occurred on June 1, 2005, well after the presidential election and approximately seven-and-one half months after the Department was notified of the potential violations.

If this series of events is accurate, the delay may have violated federal guidelines as well as bar rules of professional conduct requiring impartiality and promptness in criminal investigations. First, federal law directs that each United States Attorney "shall prosecute for all offenses against the United States." The U.S. Attorneys' Manual reiterates this requirement and further explains that "their professional abilities and the need for their impartiality in administering justice directly affect the public's perception of federal law enforcement." While I am well aware that the principle of prosecutorial discretion grants your office latitude in determining which cases warrant prosecution, that doctrine in no way permits political considerations—including the fact of a high profile and closely contested election—to intrude on the prosecutorial process....

-snip
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/govt_docs/2005/3228con...



Was the postponement of the Noe Scandal politically motivated? I believe there needs to be some subpoenas issued to answer a couple of questions. Is there a connection with this postponement and the fact that Tom Noe's wife Bernadette Noe was Chair of the Lucas County BOE, (Lucas County in a Democratic stronghold) a county that incurred so many issues that OH SOS was forced to issue this report on the county after the '04 election:


OH SOS Investigation of the Lucas County BOE after 2004 Election

includes the fact that REPUBLICAN VOLUNTEERS were allowed UNSUPERVISED ACCESS to UNSECURED BALLOTS prior to the election, as well as this list:

*failure to maintain ballot security
*Inability to implement and maintain a trackable system for voter ballot reconciliation .
*failure to prepare and develop a plan for the processing of the voluminous amount of voter registration forms received.
*issuance and acceptance of incorrect absentee ballot forms.
*manipulation of the process involving the 3% recount.
*disjointed implementation of the Directive regarding the removal of Nader and Camejo from the ballot .
*failure to properly issue hospital ballots in accordance with statutory requirements.
*failure to maintain the security of poll books during the official canvass
*failure to examine campaign finance reports in a timely manner.
*failure to guard and protect public documents.
*failure to guard and protect public documents ....etc.


-One-half of the ballots printed and used in the 2004 general election in Lucas county were stored in an open space on the fhird floor of the county warehouse with no security measures in place.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation on Lucas County BOE page 4



-Live ballots were delivered to polling locations a week in advance of the election. Although the ballots were retrieved, one board employee who was assigned to the warehouse informed the SOS staff that he did not believe all the ballots were successfully retrieved.
SOURCE; SOS Investigation, page 5



-Lucas County BOE failed to record or retrieve ballot stub numbers of absentee voters’ ballots as required by statute OH Revised Code 3505.23. It was reported by an elector that her mother had received not one, but three absentee voter ballots. there was no way to determine if similar incidents occurred and if so how many.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation, page 7




-October 4, 2004 was filing deadline for new voter registrations. At that point there were approximately 20,000 unprocessed voter registration applications with less than a month before the election. One mail tray containing 4,500-7,000 (estimates vary) unprocessed “Project Voter” registrations were discovered on or about October 18,2004.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation pg 10

***Of interest here is information obtained from the SOS website entitled ElectionsVoter/results 2003 and 2004 which show the # of registered voters number change from ‘03-’04 was 11,947 in Lucas County: reg voters 2003 in Lucas=288,190 ; registered voter in 2004=300,137.



-In late September or early October an employee of the Ohio Republican Party contacted Sam Thurber (*involved with politician wife Maggie Thurber in Noe scandal.) wanting to inspect and have copies made of all recently returned voter registrations, Ohio Republican Party offered to furnish volunteers to assist with copying postcards. No one at the Lucas County BOE can confirm that anyone was assigned to supervise Republican volunteers. On their second day of copying, a BOE employee, Jennifer Bernath, Democratic Booth Official) saw republican party volunteers peeling off the yellow return stickers applied by the post office. (Violation of RC 149.43 (B) (I) , and agruably a violation of 149.351.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation, pgs 18-19



-The Swanton 3 poll book turned up missing and has never been recovered.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation pg 16




Also, is it coincidental that the Lucas County Democratic Headquarters was burglarized on October 11, 2004?


Article published Tuesday, October 12, 2004

Lucas County Democratic headquarters burglarized

BLADE STAFF

The Lucas County Democratic Headquarters was burglarized overnight, and three computers, including the party’s main system, were stolen.

The computers contained highly sensitive information, including the party’s financial information, names and personal phone numbers of hundreds of party members, candidates, and volunteers.

The computers also stored e-mails from candidates that included discussion about campaign strategy.

A second computer, belonging to an attorney-volunteer working to ensure voters’ rights, also was taken, officials said. The headquarters on 1817 Madison Avenue does have an alarm system that volunteers believed they set late Monday when they left.

However, it apparently wasn’t tripped during the night. Workers arriving about 7:30 a.m. yesterday noticed the back window had been shattered and called police.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2...








Conyers-Kaptur seek special counsel for Noe probe
by John Conyers, Jr. and Marcy Kaptur
August 4, 2005

The Honorable Alberto Gonzales
Attorney General of the United States
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530


Dear Mr. Attorney General:

We write to request that the U.S. Department of Justice immediately appoint an outside special counsel to assume the Department's investigation into alleged illegal contributions by Mr. Thomas Noe to federal and state political campaigns. In light of recent disclosures that Governor Taft's office, which is a subject of the investigation, made a direct political appeal to Karl Rove for Gregory White, the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Ohio to receive his job, there is little doubt that this is a textbook case for the appointment of a special counsel.

We understand and appreciate that it is not unusual for local and state politicians to use their influence to obtain presidential appointments for their friends and political allies; however, it is unusual, and indeed inappropriate and violative of your regulations, for prosecutors who obtain such appointments to review the conduct of those same individuals and their friends. Regardless of the actual or perceived sincerity or motives of any particular prosecutor, to ask an individual who owes his job to certain politicians to pursue legal actions against those same politicians places the prosecutor in an untenable situation. Whatever actions he or she takes will inevitably be subject to questions of favoritism and bias, calling the entire prosecution into question. This is why the special counsel regulations were promulgated to begin with.

At the outset, we should note that Mr. Noe, who chaired the 2004 Bush-Cheney Campaign for northwest Ohio and managed the State of Ohio's Bureau of Workers Compensation Fund, appears to have been involved in the diversion of millions of dollars from the Fund to unsecured investments in coins and other collectibles.1 Over $12 million in coins purportedly owned by the State of Ohio, and perhaps other collectibles, are missing, including two coins valued at $300,000.2 Further, the State of Ohio now has claimed losses of $215 million dollars as a result of unsecured hedge fund transactions involving MDL Enterprises of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.3 It appears very likely that political contributions to both federal and state officeholders and candidates were channeled from these state funds.4 Mr. Noe himself was a Bush Pioneer who raise over $100,000 for the Bush campaign.5 Many political officials have recognized the impropriety of these contributions and thus have returned them, including Ohio Governor Bob Taft and California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.6

As you are no doubt aware, under the Department's regulations, you are required to appoint a special counsel when (1) a "criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted," (2) the investigation "by a United States Attorney's Office or litigating Division of the Department of Justice would present a conflict of interest for the Department," and (3) "it would be in the public interest to appoint an outside Special Counsel to assume responsibility for the matter."7 There is little doubt that all three factors are met in the Noe case.

In this situation, a criminal investigation is clearly warranted and, as a matter of fact, the Department has initiated one. A grand jury has been seated in the Northern District of Ohio and has been deposing dozens of individuals who may have been involved in these illegal activities. Moreover, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has been seizing computers, files, and assets of some of the individuals involved.

Second, there are myriad conflicts of interest for Department prosecutors to continue the investigation on their own. To begin with, the United States Attorneys investigating the case, those for the Northern and Southern Districts for Ohio, both of whom were appointed by President Bush, would be in the untenable position of investigating a leading official of the 2004 Bush-Cheney campaign. We now know that Mr. White has very close connections with the Governor's office and the White House. In fact, recently released records show that Mr. White sought Governor Taft's help in obtaining the U.S. Attorney position.8 The Governor's Chief of Staff, Brian Hicks, apparently communicated with Karl Rove, then a counselor to the President, about Mr. White's interest in the post.9 In an e-mail to Mr. Hicks, Mr. White wrote, "'I believe that my record speaks for itself, and I doubt there are too many county chairs for the Bush campaign that worked harder.'"10 This is the same Brian Hicks who was convicted along with his executive assistant, Cherie Carroll for accepting gifts from Mr. Noe in violation of state law (both are now lobbyists).11 In assessing this prong of the regulations, the test for appointment of a special counsel does not rest on the prosecutor in question's perceived reputation or the characterization of his reputation by others, regardless of their political stripe; it is based on whether the conflict of interest exists at all, which is clearly the case in the present instance.

In addition, on October 1, 2004, one month before the election, the Bush administration appointed Mr. Noe as Chair of the U.S. Mint's Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee.12 Federal legislation was passed for the specific purpose of allowing Mr. Noe's appointment.13 That legislation moved through the U.S. House Committee on Financial Services, before which Mr. Noe had testified14 and to whose Members Mr. Noe had contributed financially. Mr. Noe resigned the U.S. Mint position on May 26, 2005,15 after the circumstances of the appointment were publicized in the media.

Finally, the appointment of a special counsel for this matter would undoubtedly serve the public interest. The allegations of improper conduct reach to the highest-possible levels of federal and state government and pertain to a serious corruption of our democratic system of government. The appointment of a special counsel would demonstrate to the American public the Department's understanding of the importance of and need for impartiality in this case. Also, an investigation by a single special counsel would not be subject to any jurisdictional issues that may be present under the current scenario of two prosecutors. There is little question that high-ranking political officials nationally and at the state level were knowledgeable and involved in these activities. Many questions must be addressed involving the link between alleged illegal campaign contributions, diversion of State funds, their relation to 2005 elections, as well as the federal appointment of Mr. Noe to a federal advisory committee.

As a matter of fact, the numerous delays in the investigation have already raised the specter of political favoritism. From documents that have been made public, we know that the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Ohio, Gregory White, who is leading the federal investigation, had prior knowledge of the losses before the 2004 presidential election, as did the Governor of Ohio and other officials.16 At the same time, no investigation was initiated on these matters until spring of this year.17

The fact pattern present in this case, particularly with the new disclosure that the lead federal prosecutor may well have gotten his job as a result of a political appeal by Governor Taft's office to Karl Rove, make it abundantly clear that a special counsel is necessitated. We urge you to make such a designation immediately to help restore public trust in this very important investigation.

We look forward to promptly hearing whether you will appoint a special counsel and, if not, the reason for your decision. Please reply through the House Judiciary Committee Minority Office, 2142 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 (tel 202-225-6504; fax: 202-225-4423).

Sincerely,
John Conyers, Jr.
Marcy Kaptur

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/14...
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:01 PM
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40. Looks like it!
Thanks for finding this.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:07 PM
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41. For a crime scene, Ohio has an amazing amount of evidence yet
to be excavated and exposed to the light. A rich archaeological site for democracy.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:10 PM
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42. all archived by the Columbus Free Press (freepress.org)
:hi:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:06 PM
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11. Jeb and Abu in the same post.
You're lucky I stuck around long enough to read that. Actually, I'm the lucky one. Thanks for that.

"the great sham: voter fraud prevention"

My thoughts:

This phrase was probably devised by Frank Luntz, in a focus group. Like everything else, it is taking advantage of one of the best tools of fascist and authoritarian regimes: using the opposite to describe the true intention.

And it's also Karl's MO: turn everything on it's head and insist in the face of all available evidence that 2+2=5.

K&R!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #11
25. Patsy Stone, you do KNOW your tyrants. My thoughts exactly.
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 09:28 PM by autorank
Ashcroft gave birth to the PR game but somebody had to tell him. Luntz was riding high then. I think he's backtracking. Saw David Frum (sic) on Maher last night, guy who wrote the Axis of Evil speech. He's really backtracking. Damn, what about that Tancredo. I'm stunned. He hates everybody, now Gonzo is on the list.

This is a huge piece of the the puzzle. It's so offensive it's hard to hold in your head but the A.G. firing of U.S. Attorneys will have a huge benefit flowing from it. This! McClatchy is doing a great job and they'll continue, I suspect.

Cheers!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:54 PM
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45. It's quite important
to get the point across that it's all tied in together. All of it -- since Nixon. The problem is it's so huge, so comprehensive, and the antithesis of everything people have been led to believe should be going on, it's a staggering proposal to try and break down the "Big Lie" (as DeLay said) broken down so people can understand.

I adore Republicans eating their own. It smells like victory.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:32 PM
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43. Patsy Stone speaks for me.
And

Welcome to DU! (Because I never said it before.)

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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:07 PM
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12. Remember Sproul?
If they were concerned about "voter fraud" why did they hire a company that engaged in it ... and pay them millions for doing just that?

Want to prosecute someone ... prosecute the Sproul organization. People testified to Conyers about their practices of tearing up Dem registrations or forcing people to register as Reps, even though they had selected Dem on the form. People didn't realize they had been mis-registered until they got a notice from the BOE or showed up to vote and were told they couldn't have a Dem ballot.

Don't let that part of the story get lost autorank, please.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/070505Miller-Irmus.shtml <-- Just to jog your memory.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:32 PM
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26. Excellent point in the above message...Vital point...I
I do remember them and they'll show up in the near future. That was just awful, tearing up the registrations they obtained through .... "fruad" (voter fraud, no doubt, so it's up to 25;)

Thanks for that link. The Baltimore Chronicle does a great job on elections issues. In fact, that
reminds me, I'll send it to them. Thanks!!!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:33 PM
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44. Thank you, Sydnie.
A hard part of this is remembering all the previous crimes we've had to leave behind as we endeavor to keep up.

Great catch!
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:09 PM
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13. Nominated
It is all coming apart like an onion.



Now for 911
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #13
27. I saw those links...*shadow government* comes into the bright light of
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 09:33 PM by autorank
a new day we're creating for them.

911 Truth Now!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:09 PM
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14. k&r
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:34 PM
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29. Thanks bob...the drump is banging a lot faster lately! n/t
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:11 PM
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15. Can I say Douche bags ? KnR
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:35 PM
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30. You can and you did!
With a nice picture to illustrate. I have a hard time even saying or writing his name.

Keep on with your great work and, if you host Cong. Holt again, send him this link;)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:14 PM
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17. I feel another attack of boiling blood!
:grr:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:37 PM
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31. Your's will calm down. They're increasingly cornered.
It's getting closer and closer...the truth...and they are feeling the heat.

The McClatchy Newspapers people are doing such a great job on this. First time I've seen
a larger media outlet bird dog a story like this. They'll get it and get it big I hope!

:hi:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:42 PM
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33. Waiting and watching.
:hi:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:17 PM
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20. What Is Needed Is A Cadre Of Lawyers & Watchers For 2008
They will try to steal, they are in such a bad place, it's their only hope. Of course they can only do it in close races without it being obvious and the way things are going there may be no close races. But protection needs to be set up now.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:41 PM
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32. You're 100% right. Real protection...no half measures.
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 09:42 PM by autorank

I think they were sufficiently "observed" in their games to know that stealing 2006 would be a major
problem. The only problem is that in Ohio and Florida, there were some absurd results under
questionable circumstances. They still have the lust (in their heart).

Conyers will investigate this I'm sure. Can you just imagine: "Now you spent 100 thousand man hours
on a problem that netted 6-8 convictions a year.. Tell me about that."
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:46 PM
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35. Ohio & Florida Are Less Of A Problem Now
The states where they put in the new US attorneys may be where they are headed next/
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. That's exactly right.
And I predict not only for election fraud, but all sorts of pre-election shenanigans and three-armed love babies showing up all over the place.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:33 PM
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28. Yep, it's all about suppressing the vote.
Shortly after the '04 election, I did some lobbying (the Dem version-unpaid volunteer) for Commoncause to the Ohio legislature. One of the elected officials I met with was OH State Senator Jeffry Armbruster R-Lorain. This was prior to the passing of the draconian OH HB 3-The GOP Suppression Bill and already the R's had received their talking points. I spoke of machine allocation and provisional ballots, but what was on Sen Armbruster's mind was fraud-VOTER FRAUD. He told me that if I was truly interested in fair elections then (AND I KID YOU NOT-I HAVE A WITNESS) I would be advocating breath analzyers on election day because the real fraud was Dem's pulling drunks out of bars to vote. (As if drunks are willing to stand in 3-5 hour lines to vote). I left with steam flowing from my ears!

There is not signficant VOTER FRAUD. During the press conference leading up to a vote on HB 3, the Democratics gave the statistic of 4 documentated cases of voter fraud. The true agenda , as Senor Rank informs us, is to pass their draconian laws that suppress large chunks od Dem votes.

Another winner, Auto!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:45 PM
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34. Now we're talking HB 3. That's a nightmare.
Got a link?

What a story...what utter disrespect he shows for the dignity of his constituents.
They should have a breathalyser at the entrance to his caucus;)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:00 PM
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39. Here my friend Sibley Arnebeck, of Common Cause, comments on HB 3:
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 10:01 PM by mod mom
Train Wreck in Ohio?

By Sibley Arnebeck
Posted on Tue Oct 31, 2006 at 08:46:38 AM EST

New directives from the Secretary of State, court challenges, District Court opinions overturned by the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals....  What is a poor county board of elections official to do?

It all started when the legislature hurried through HB 3, a more than 300 page bill, overhauling our elections systems to counter the bogus claim of massive "voter fraud" in Ohio. Virtually all of the testimony in committee hearings by interested parties and good government groups, including Common Cause/Ohio, warned of the dangers of passing this legislation without more time and careful scrutiny.  There was also a great deal of testimony from the same groups about the dire consequences of implementing new ID requirements for voting, and about how it would disenfranchise a certain group of voters, which includes seniors, the poor and student populations, especially when there was no proof of any real problem with "voter fraud."

The bill was passed along party lines with only one Republican voting no, and with no attention paid to our dire predictions about the new ID requirements.  Here we are a little over a week before the election, and the legality of these requirements is still in question.  After the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals, Sunday, blocked an emergency order issued by Judge Marbley of the U.S. District Court in Columbus, on Thursday, to set aside ID requirements for absentee voters, Subodh Chandra, the attorney for the plaintiffs, stated to the press:  "We hope that the 6th Circuit is not taking the position that one must permit an election to be a train wreck before one tries to stop the wreck."

-snip

http://www.commonblog.com/tag/HB%203

last name sound familiar? ;)
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:57 PM
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38. An Interesting Note on Nevada's Bogden & Gov. Jim Gibbons
February 15, 2007; Page A1

Federal prosecutors are investigating whether Nevada Gov. Jim Gibbons accepted unreported gifts or payments from a company that was awarded secret military contracts when Mr. Gibbons served in Congress.
...

The close ties between the congressman and the contractor, Warren Trepp, were disclosed in a
Nov. 1 Wall Street Journal article, which revealed that Mr. Gibbons accepted private jet flights and a Caribbean cruise from the software-company owner. Mr. Gibbons says accepting the cruise and flight didn't violate House ethics rules.

....

The new federal probe follows a Nevada investigation of the dispute over ownership of eTreppid software used in secret government programs. That investigation was initially focused on Dennis Montgomery, the former partner of Mr. Trepp who designed the software on which eTreppid was founded in 1998. The men have accused each other of trade-secret theft, among other claims, and have been battling in court for more than a year.

The new emails and internal documents would appear to support some of the claims made in legal proceedings filed by Mr. Montgomery, who in court papers has alleged that Mr. Trepp gave at least $100,000 in cash and casino chips to Mr. Gibbons. Public records show Mr. Trepp gave $90,000 to the governor's campaign through a series of separate companies, avoiding a $10,000 limit on individual or corporate contributions.

Mr. Montgomery has accused Messrs. Trepp and Gibbons of using their political clout to get local FBI agents to raid his home and investigate him. In December, a federal magistrate found flagrant constitutional violations in the FBI raid, according to people briefed on her ruling, which remains under seal. The court found that the local FBI and U.S. attorney's office had effectively acted as armed enforcers for eTreppid's wealthy owner in a private business dispute with a former partner.


http://www.lasvegasgleaner.com/las_vegas_gleaner/2007/02/oh_and_honey_do.html#more
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:33 PM
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48. I asked how low can they go...w
...what an answer. Thanks!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:58 PM
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46. holy moly K&R!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:33 PM
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49. Ola!
:hi:derheid
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:19 PM
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47. I hope everyone gets their vocabulary straight. Always use "election" as "vote"
is too close to "voter" when talking about fraud. Thanks so much for this!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:35 PM
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50. Thank you for making that clear...
They like merge terms too. In a write up on "voter fraud" workshops, they actually have the nerve
to say "voter fraud and voter suppression" in the same sentence. They have no shame!

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passy Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:31 AM
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51. Doublethink and doubletalk.
The reshaping of language and meaning by Rove is akin to the work of Goebbels and was clearly predicted by George Orwell.
We see this non-logic applied to everything that comes out from these traitors. By fighting the war on terror they have become the terrorists forever exploiting our fears to further enslave us. They scream that they will capture OBL dead or alive when we all know that he is a lot more valuable to them alive, to be taken out of his puppet box every now and then to act as the scary turbaned bogeyman.
When their message is ever questioned they attack the doubters by calling them traitors or lunatics, or they simply muddle or over complicate the issues so that people will quickly loose interest.
The great election machine scam is that they tell us that computers are safe for us to use in our election system as they are already used in ATMs for example, and that we therefore do not need to use such antiquated means of voting as paper ballots.
When people start asking question about how the machine work they tell us we have to trust them, that the way they work is too complicated for us to try to understand, that it's using proprietary software we are not allowed to examine and that we should just trust them and stop being so un-patriotic and paranoid (and don't try pointing out that ATMs have no problem printing out receipts).
Then they publish corrupted results and tell us to trust them, but if we counter their numbers with other numerical analyzes we are told that our numbers can't be trusted; the controversy over exit polls and election results is a perfect example of this problem, the case of electronic under-votes is another (in any sane society they would just hold of new election instead of trying to argue that 18 000 unaccounted votes is a perfectly logical result).
Just like vote switching whose simplicity is clearly underrated, the complete switch in meaning of certain words with their antonyms is quite amazing.
Indeed "war is peace" (democratization by force) "freedom is slavery" (patriot act) "ignorance is strength" (no child left behind) "the ministry of truth" (the liberal media).
I tend to say that we are now in 1990 six years since 1984 really began.

PS: The term "democratization" is also only restricted to countries that we democratize like Iraq and Afghanistan, but not Palestine, Iran or Lebanon because the people there don't understand how the process really works.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #51
60. Even the most skilled practitioners run out of luck.
Edited on Tue Mar-27-07 01:03 PM by autorank
The "New World Order" of 1990 (great point) is now the world in disorder. What a book end for the
* family contributions to this country.

They're all coming out of the shadows, the operatives that is. And people are running from them
like crazy. Even Rep. Tancredo (R-CO), the rabid right winger, calls for Gonzo's departure. Gonzo
himself wonders, 'Am I the right guy.' Oh sure, that's spontaneous.

The trick now for "management" (the men behind the surface level perps) is to turn this into a crisis
where "the system works" and the "bad guys" are dispatched to somewhere comfortable. If that happens,
if we fail to realize what is really manifesting, a rotten system corrupted by money/power, we're
not going anywhere.
-------------

"The quintessential revolution is that of the spirit, born of an intellectual conviction of the need
for change in those mental attitudes and values which shape the course of a nation's development.

A revolution which aims merely at changing official policies and institutions with a view to an
improvement in material conditions has little chance of genuine success..."


Aug Sn Suu Kyi
Burmese Activist
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:41 AM
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52. k&r
:kick:

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 01:03 PM
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61. roflmao
I asked you not to put my likeness up in public (right)!

Oh well...

Throw the morans out, now!
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:44 AM
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53. Historically speaking.....voter suppression almost always favors Repubs. nt
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #53
62. And they're good students of that sort of history.


This is such an elegant plan, so well executed, but it can't stand the light of day if
we get just a bit of congressional oversight.

True words!
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 06:03 AM
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55. K&R
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 01:05 PM
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63. You've got the right facility there...the World Court

They could just all go there and reflect on their bad behavior in those underground cells.

:hi:
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:45 AM
Response to Reply #63
65. Do you really think they would do that? ;o)
:hi:
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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 07:34 AM
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56. brilliant!
thanks auto!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 09:26 AM
Response to Original message
57. At least Lady MacBeth suffered pangs of conscience.
Via a link to it, I read on here last night an article by some evidently shameless, Republican pundit in a legal journal, in which he insinuated that the circumstantial evidence of their trying to protect their criminal buddies from prosecution couldn't amount to much, even having the gall to contra-distinguish it from "facts".

Well, of course, the utterly compelling circumstantial evidence concerned here, constitutes an aggregation of facts, delineating a clear and unambiguous pattern, emphatically pointing in the one direction. The very basis employed for fraud prosecutions. Susan MacDougall was jailed on the basis of a chimera, though they would have claimed it as circumstantial evidence.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 11:29 AM
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58. this is really funny
Edited on Tue Mar-27-07 11:33 AM by Faye
to anyone who didn't listen to me the past 3 years, kiss my butt!
The fact this distinction is such an issue now is not surprising to me.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #58
64. Faye, there will be a long line...

This has gone on for quite a while. It used to be just "spoiled ballots." Disqualified ballots in
predominantly minority districts alone wasn't enough, so they went after he registration process in
2000, then they integrated it all in 2004. Ohio was their "Golden Age."

Your video on the subject was extraordinary. Could you post it here.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 01:00 PM
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59. So the underpinnings of the fired US Attorneys
reveal the extent they would go to have vote fraud.

And not a peep from the MSM on these sad tales.
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