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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:06 AM
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One mind's political journey from 2000 to 2009...naive enthusiasm to cold reality.
The reality that the most important quality right for our party leadership is the ability to "reach across the aisle." That is right next to the quality of being deemed acceptable by Republicans.

The reality that some matter more than others when it comes to decision and policy making. In true reality, only a very few matter. Again, it has been that way forever...it's hard to get them to listen to what progressives want. Witness the Iraq War, the bankruptcy bill, the FISA fiasco to name a few.

The reality that even though we as activists and progressives and liberals are needed at election time, we get little say in between. Not really complaining, that's just the way it is. Some lately have said I am too negative. I don't think of it as negative, I think of it as facing the political reality that we really are only necessary at times.

The reality, the hardest to accept, that our party instead of investigating the harm done the last 8 years is planning a more conciliatory theme. The reality that we worked so very hard to save Social Security from Bush's privatization schemes....only to have to save it again from the conservatives in the Democratic party. I hope I am wrong there, I hope it just involves some tweaking of the levels of what is paid into it. It sounds like more, though.

The reality that someone who got the party off its butt in 2003, making it possible to stand up against Bush who appeared invulnerable at that time, who was instrumental in major wins in 2006 and 2008....could be shuffled off to the side so easily. Just as though he never was on the scene. Like he had never been.

It was a dark eight years, especially near the beginning of Bush's appointment by the Supreme Court. It was a time of feeling hopeless. So when we sensed hope in 2003, we really got excited, perhaps naively so.

In 2000 all was good in my mostly Republican family. They were fine, we were fine, we never discussed politics. They were all in love with Dubya...one even sending us a photograph of himself with George W. They all called him Dubya, and they all listened to Rush. Trouble is I did not know they considered Rush the final word on all things. I found out soon enough.

During the 2000 recount, a relative called and said "can't you idiots there in Florida get it right?". Those were dittohead words, but I did not know it then. After that there was a time where things were strained, but 9/11 sort of brought us all around again.

I was naive enough to think that since two lines of my family were military, officers, that they would just know we were attacking the wrong country when we voted to invade Iraq. I made the mistake of mentioning it. No, they did not know that. They thought Iraq caused 9/11. Oops. That decision of mine to discuss it with them led to years of division, and years of silence among us all.

The divides were deep. Naive me, I had thought that if I presented facts about the lies Bush was telling that my congressmen would wake up....that my family would see what was happening. What an error that was. I never listened to talk radio, and that was my mistake. I did not realize what others were hearing, I did not know how the radio hosts were doing propaganda about the war.

The family has finally began to sort of make peace since the country began to fall apart, when there was no more denying what harm had been done. I had a harder time coming around by then...because I had finally realized that college-educated intelligent family members were fans of Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh. We are all still trying, but not quite there yet.

From a naive sort of hopefulness to happiness that we have a good president...to realizing that that now progressive groups are meant to help push and echo the president's agenda. That's a good thing in some ways, but for those of us who started speaking out and thinking independently when our own party helped take us to war....it's kind of hard to accept.

I miss the empowerment.

When Howard Dean started his campaign we got on board from the earliest beginnings. We felt empowered, like we really could matter, like we could change the party from one that acquiesced to an incompetent president to a party that proudly stood up for what was right.

And we did acquiesce, often and a lot, to the Bush agenda

It was not just Dean's opposition to the war, it was the fact that we saw someone on TV who was talking in plain language. It was not just about Iraq, it was about the fact that someone actually admitted we had enabled the Bush policies to succeed by refusing to take stands against them. Just talking in a common sense way about things which had been so much discussed in memes and talking points. He said a lot of things people didn't like. They especially didn't like it when he said we were no safer with Saddam capture. It was considered heresy, even within our own party.

As we learned of the torture going on, as we saw the bodies of Saddam's son displayed so blatantly on our TV, as we saw the botched hanging of Saddam....I figured people would really start speaking out then. Surely they would see the outrage. Very little changed.

After the campaign was over, we still had hope. We worked with the DNC and DFA actively, still believing what we did mattered. It was about empowerment and it was about inclusion. We felt a part of things. We felt politically included and felt like it mattered.

It wasn't just Iraq. There were other things. The taking away of our civil rights to make us safer. Our party went right along with that. There came the fearmongering, the terrorist talk, and the utterly simplistic method of playing to the least educated among us. The flag waving, the Bible thumping. It worked. Both parties did it.

Fear is a powerful weapon indeed.

We had more hope after we took back Congress in 2006. It was an exciting time. We were feeling good about ourselves for contributing to the wins by our party. But then suddenly a man named James Carville went on TV at least twice saying Dean had failed and must step down. He implicated the Clintons and Rahm Emanuel in his attacks, and no one ever denied.

We still hung in there, donating monthly to both groups..the DNC and DFA. We still thought we could be important to the party and bring change to it.

Then when we won even more seats in the House and more in the Senate and took back the White House in 2008....we felt good about it. We thought efforts would be recognized and appreciated. It seemed natural that someone who devoted four years to help bring that about would at least be mentioned by name by party leadership.

The rest is history...and the chairman was not even invited to be at the changing of the DNC guard.

Alternet about Dean

Whatever the case, it's appropriate that Dean spent his last day as Chair of the DNC not in Washington, but in the South Pacific, visiting Democrats in
the U.S protectorate of Samoa. His visit to the micro territory was the final piece in his jigsaw puzzle of his promise to visit every Democratic organization on U.S. soil, the perfect capstone to a tenure defined by his goal to build up the party from sea to shining sea, in states ranging across the red-blue spectrum (and, in the case of Samoa, beyond.)

....In reflecting on Dean's legacy, the most obvious place to start is the
current Democratic trifecta. As was given cursory mention in his absence in
Washington, Dean leaves office with the Democrats in possession of both
houses of Congress and the White House. When Dean ran for president in 2004,
Karl Rove was speaking seriously about a permanent Republican majority.
Today, it makes more sense to speak of a permanently shrinking Republican
minority.


We went from despair in 2000, more despair for our country when we invaded Iraq. We began to feel hope from the Dean campaign...like we were included and mattered. The inclusive feeling was the secret of the enthusiasm. The party leaders failed to see that, and they have yet to understand.

We saw that the strategists and consultants just went on TV and sent messages to the upstarts who thought they could change things.

The reality set in. The reality is we have a very fine man as president, but his administration appears to have shut out one of the main architects of the party's great success the last 4 years. The DNC now is the keeper of Obama's huge files. It's goal is to push his policies. That's how it has been through the years. That's how it will be. It's not a bad thing at all, but it is hard for some of us not to express our opinions.

The media which for years has used the talking points of the right wing...has made the Democratic leaders afraid of those who are outspoken. Fearful of those who say things that offend Republicans. It has made the Democratic leaders able to all too easily ignore the "liberal" "activist" wing of the party.

Can they ignore us this time? Can they only give lip service and keep the activity and excitement going?

We will matter again mightily in 2010 and 2012. But unfortunately, the ones who matter more right now are the ones who got us into this mess. The "moderates", the "centrists", the "corporatists".

No longer politically naive, just seeing the reality.


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Baikonour Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:10 AM
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1. K&R.
Well said.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:39 AM
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4. Thanks.
:hi:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:14 AM
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2. Lawrence O'Donnell: the left has "nowhere to go"
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/movie_review/an-unreasonable-man.htm

Lawrence O’Donnell: “You get nothing unless you demonstrate that you’re willing to vote against (the Democrats). When I worked for them, I never had to listen to anyone on the left because they had nowhere to go.”
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:25 AM
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3. It's very true, we don't. Conservative Dems could go Republican
We really have no other real choice.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:54 PM
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14. Well we could form our own Progressive Party
I have been wanting to do that for years.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 07:01 PM
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19. Or how about the TRUE Democratic party (as opposed to the DLC Party)
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:20 PM
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26. Nowhere to Go But Up, I Suppose
Raising the quality of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all, spreading justice, health and prosperity, erasing ignorance and putting an end to war, supporting research in all areas to improve life....

Nope, that's true. The Left has nothing to offer except a future better than endless recyclings around the failures of the past....
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:15 AM
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5. I have a book to recommend to you
We idealists get our hearts broken - it comes with the package. We care a lot, not too much, never too much, but enough that it hurts bad. I was in a place a few years ago where I was so heartbroken about my country that I didn't know what to do. This book landed in my lap and while it didn't tell me what to do, it gave me the strength to continue on. If it weren't packed up for an imminent move, I would reread it now. The book is, The Impossible Will Take a Little While: A Citizen's Guide to Hope in a Time of Fear by Paul Loeb Rogat.

What happened and continues to happen with Howard Dean wasn't and isn't right. And the fact that they aren't listening to us, yet again, is wrong and we will have had it right yet again and will be ignored yet again. We are strong and we are sensitive, the liberal optimists/cynics and we will actually, in the end, be the ones that save the world, but it might not happen on any kind of single life timeline. That's the nugget I got from that book. Even if we can't see it right now, we are making a difference just by being here and being loud, by caring fiercely.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:38 AM
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7. I heartily recommend this post. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:12 PM
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8. Thanks, I remember that book. Loeb posted at DFA and here, too, I think.
a couple of times. I may get that book. I meant to when it came out. I am hearing from more friends now who are happy for our president, yet discouraged at the same time by those who bring the same old stuff.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:32 PM
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10. Yes, Paul has a journal here. A very good one. Here is the link.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Paul%20Rogat%20Loeb

I need to link to this journal more often.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:52 AM
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6. I can do little else but agree. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:13 PM
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9. So many mixed feelings.
:hi:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:39 PM
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12. Mine are unmixing swiftly. I have seen this Bushie Production before.
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 05:45 PM by tom_paine
February 2009 seems much like February 2007, overall.

Obama is doing far too little far too late. The Bushification of law enforcement cannot be stopped any more than the Nazification of German Law, once they held power and no one dared to even try to slow them down.

The Bushies have destroyed the System of Check and Balances, turned the M$M into the greatest propaganda machine in human history while still keeping people insanely believing that the media is "liberal".

How can you beat that level of Nazi-like delusion? How can you stop a group once they have dehumanized their fellow citizens as the Rushpublican have done us? Any crime they commit against Liberals is justified because Liberals are evil. As Old America wears off, the crimes they are committing are becoming predictably more bloody.

Ask the Knoxville Shooter, or the sympathetic Bushie Law Enforcement that suppressed his manifesto, which minus the murder, 30,000,000 Hannidiots, Savage Weiners, and Dittoheads 100% agree with, until after the election and trial.

More than anything else, more than any policy, that will determine the fate of the Old American Republic than Bushifcation/Nazification, now so far along.

Maybe I'm just having a bad week. Maybe it's the fact that we KNOW that thee are about 30,000,000 Rushpublicans out there who believe 100% of the Knoxville Shooter's political philosophy, they just disagree with his murdering philosophy, but it will only take the tiniest permission from future Bushie Authority to set them loose as has happened many times before.

Maybe Obama can turn this thing around, with Dry Powder and laughable post-partisanship.

Did you hear? In the boldest of bold moves, he is going to let the Bushler Tax Thefts run out...IN TWO OR THREE YEARS! In another bold move, 51 Bushie Attorneys get to stay on!

:rofl:
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 08:45 AM
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33. Liberal is Republican/Nazi code for Jew (NT)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:20 PM
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37. Well, you are mostly right, but because of this new incarnation, it isn't quite so cut-and-dried
Would that it were, then the sheep might notice nbefore it's too late, which it almost already is.

Good luck, Obama, in trying to turn back Hitlerian Triumphs of the Will with Mr. Nice Guy Postpartisanship and moderate steps. Maybe he can do it, I just don't see it being more than a very outside longshot.

Anyway, remember, Israel has been Bushified, too, after the Bushies (using the usual "lone RW gunman template") gave Rabin the ol' JFK/RFK/MLK. Those Israelis are so naive, plus the JFK/RFK/MLK mthod hadn't been used over there on Israeli Liberals, so the Bushies could get away with one isolated one, without rousing suspicion of Israeli political naivete.

Plus, it would be bad marketing for the Bushies to create associations with their predecessors, the Nazis. Because the Nazi Brand Name, sadly for the Bushies, has been very discredited and thus had to be rebranded.

The Bushies are VERY GODD MARKETERS.

And remember, THIS time around, Jews (or Gays or Blacks or other Outgroups) who are hurt, punished unjustly, destroyed or killed (no one can predict the future) won't have these thing done because they are EVIL JEWS, but because they are EVIL LIBERALS.

In this incarnation of kinder and gentler Nazism, there will be no direct actions against anyone for their race, specifically and per se.

Understanding Nazis and Bushies means this won't matter, Gays, Jews, and Blacks will be majority-targeted, but this time it might be possible to escape, because of Bushie Marketing and Rebranding Imperatives, by "being one of the good ones" (i.e being loyal to THE PARTY, be it Nazi or Rushpublican).

This will provide all the plausible deniability, and truly not much is required at this point, that is required for the 10,000,000 Bushie Stormtroopers, many occupying positions of power in law enforement and swelling every day thanks to filthy Homeland Security lucre, the 20,000,000 Good Germans, and the 270,000,000 who do what they always do.

Go along to get along. SOMEONE has to be in charge.

And us few left over, maybe a million all told? We're going to be made examples of. The Bushies have a Final Solution to the Liberal Problem, make no mistake of that, and they'll implement it first chance they get,when the Bushification of Law Enforcement is more complete.

How long will it take? No one can say. Maybe as many as 25 years, though I suspect much sooner given massive Bushie successes on all front, which Obama seems unwilling to take bold steps, or any steps, really, to turn back in a substantial and systemic way.

51 of the most criminally politicized attorneys in American History are still serving...at Obama's pleasure. The Obama Administration has signalled it wants to let the millions of missing e-mails go.

As of they want the evidence to be buried forever and tha Bushies to walk off scot-free.

If I didn't know better...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:03 PM
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11. There's a post in GDP that makes my point so well.
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 05:04 PM by madfloridian
It is a paean to Rahm. It treasures his embrace of the words "f*** you."

There are problems when that is what makes a man treasured by his party.

I am tired after that 9 year journey. I feel like my brain is worn out from trying to wrap my head around the fact that we are back where we started, and the same people are in control in spite of all the activism.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:53 PM
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13. Makes one feel the resignation of the registered German Jew in 1942.
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 05:53 PM by tom_paine
They are coming. It is only a matter of time. The spring is coiled, and this Nazi/Bushie stored energy will have to be released or stopped, as the FBI did to the KKK in the 70s and 80s - except now the FBI are RUN by the KKK, essentially, so it won't be stopped.

The rabid madness radiating from the Rushpublicans is palpable, and Obama seems to enflame them doubly so.

30,000,000 Knoxville Shooter Clones. 10,000,000 Stormtroopers to get their hands dirty, 20,000,000 to cheer them on.

270,000,000 doing what they have always done. Go along to get along. Follow authority. It doesn;t matter which authority. Someone has to be in charge, right?

The rest of us? We few, maybe a million, the ones who saw it BEFORE it became obvious (who knows how much longer that will be, only that human history says it must be now that events have been set in motion and reached a certain critical mass) Whatever the Bushies' Final Solution to the Liberal Problem, we will feel the brunt of it first, and hear the cheers of the Stormtroopers, the Good Germans, and the Sheep.

I once thought Obama's election might slow it or turn it around. Looks like it's hastening it.

It is alway important to remember, even when Nazis and Bushies lose, they win.

I am not advocating giving up, but we should have no illusions about what's coming.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:58 PM
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15. I read that thread
It floored me. I kept thinking that if you took that story and just changed Rahm's party affiliation to Republican, those fans of his in that thread would go berserk over him and be calling him every name in the book. I honestly don't see how his behavior and attitude is any different from Dick Cheney's. I could give a shit what party either one of them belongs to. They both disgust me.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 08:48 PM
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20. Floored me also.
It seems to be a requirement now that we must find him acceptable.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:23 PM
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21. of course....GD:P is more like GD:DLC. The place where politics is a game and as long as the people
in the blue jerseys are winning....it doesn't matter who they are or what they stand for!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:12 PM
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23. It sounded that way today.
and lately.

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tan guera Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 02:29 AM
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39. madfloridian
Phenomenal diary, thank you. So many "liberals" are blaming or disliking Rahm, whom I also dislike. But it's important to remember who hired him on. Lots of libs can't quite admit to that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 02:31 AM
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40. I know what you mean.
We do need to remember.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 06:34 PM
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16. What a beautifully thoughtful and painfully honest piece of writing.
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 06:35 PM by chill_wind
So many of us have been so there for a while now, too. With even more of us arriving at a fresh new sobriety every new day. No illusions.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 06:55 PM
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17. there are no illusions,
the money has never been followed in all the scandals the past 30 years. Along with that aquiesence, those in power care for nothing but more power.

I am not naive enough to think that one man, elected president, could change the course of the United States of America where money is the king and if you question it, try to live without it.

As said, there are 30 million citizens that agree with the right wing talking heads and the members of Congress that will fight against any of the lower income Americans having a piece of the dream.

I firmly believe the road is going to get rockier and harder. By the time my grandkids are 30, America as we know it will be long gone, gone for 30 pieces of silver, sold to the highest bidder.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:22 AM
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27. No illusions, you are right.. One man can not do it alone.
You said:

"I am not naive enough to think that one man, elected president, could change the course of the United States of America where money is the king and if you question it, try to live without it."

Good statement.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 06:58 PM
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18. K&R, madfloridian you've done it again
EXCELLENT post.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:25 PM
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22. Power is more important than justice.
So long as they are in power, the games can continue...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:12 PM
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24. Nice journal, kentuck.
Yes, you are right.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:14 PM
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25. A very nice post.
Thank you.
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No.23 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:28 AM
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28. As long as you continue to vote for the Dems...
as the lesser of two evils...

they have no reason or motivation to speak on your behalf.

Why should they?

They can always count on your lesser evil vote at the voting booth.

It's really very simple.

We just may not want to admit it to ourselves.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 01:53 AM
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29. One of the rules at DU
is that you can not advocate voting against the Democratic party.

It's a good rule basically.

But we can give opinions on what we think to be wrong tactics.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:54 AM
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31. Trolly McFreeper!
:hi:
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tan guera Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 02:32 AM
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41. It's time for a Peoples' Party.
We can't go on like this, voting for the war machine.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:21 AM
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30. Kick since I can no longer recommend
The M$M pushed Clinton and Barack down our throats. I hope Obama wakes up and becomes less of a DLCer.
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tan guera Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 02:34 AM
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42. The other day
someone mentioned that Obama is really a Blue Dog. He's caucused with them
but not yet, to my knowledge, with the Progressives.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:22 AM
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32. Yes, and it's that realism we have that got the Democratic majority back in power
I've also felt despair and brokenhearted, but we're going in the right direction now. Turning that downward spiraling inertia backwards takes far more effort and energy because first we must bring it to a halt, then we must start pushing it back in the right direction. It's a slow process, but we can make it go not just back but in a totally new direction. We're more aware than we've ever been that our country has been broken for decades (at the very least) because the same power has been swapped back and forth between the good cop and the bad cop in the endless cycle that's Washington DC's inability to lead wisely. The Republicans break it and the Democrats fix it only to have the Republicans break it again ad infinitum.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:27 AM
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34. I don't think you're too negative at all
Negative, but not too negative. There's a very big difference. Too negative would be the point at which a person is so depressed about things that s/he gives up hope and doesn't try to make things better.

The world needs people who are negative. People who have the vision to see when things are wrong, and to strive to make them better. There is a great deal wrong with our country. People who happily accept the status quo will not be useful in improving things.

It is easy to happily accept the status quo, and it is safe because, such an attitude attracts little or no criticism. It is much more difficult to keep your eyes open, recognize problems for what they are without going into denial about them, and try to do something about them. There will always be people that are uncomfortable with people who do that, and you will be criticized or attacked for it. Another difficult thing about recognizing problems for what they are is that it creates stress -- but that stress can be very productive.

It is difficult sometimes to avoid having a feeling of desperation about this -- born of the frustration that you know you won't be able to change things as much or as quickly as you want to. But if nobody was willing to take this attitude there would never be any progress.

Sometimes we just need to be satisfied with ourselves for doing the best that we can, knowing that we will probably never be as successful as we like. But as long as we keep on trying, we are making a difference.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:41 AM
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35. Good comments. I just heard from a staunch Republican relative..
yesterday to let me know that they had for the first time ever voted for a Democrat for president. He is disgusted with many of his fellow Republicans, and is spending a lot of time urging them to think about the country and not party ideology.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:17 PM
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38. That's a step in the right direction
That's what it takes -- one step at a time. I don't think we're going to see things improve much overnight.
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