Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Amnesty International Responds to Pentagon's Report Claiming Gitmo Meets Geneva Standards

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:53 AM
Original message
Amnesty International Responds to Pentagon's Report Claiming Gitmo Meets Geneva Standards
WASHINGTON - February 20 - Amnesty International advocacy director for Terrorism, Counterterrorism and Human Rights Tom Parker released the following statement in response to news that the Pentagon's report to President Obama on conditions at Guantanamo states that the prison meets standards outlined by the Geneva Conventions:

"It comes as no surprise that the Pentagon would say Guantanamo meets international human rights standards.

"However, there have been many well-documented accounts of abuse at Guantanamo over the past few years. When over two hundred prisoners continue to be held without charge or trial--many for more than six years, with scores in isolation and concerns about dozens on hunger strike--it's clear the abuse of prisoners continues.

"Human rights organizations are still being denied access to the facility and the detainees. But even without the ability to conduct a proper independent review, enough is known to cast doubt on the accuracy of the Pentagon's report."


http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2009/02/20-10
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:15 AM
Response to Original message
1. If things are ok there, the Red Cross and Amnesty
and any other human rights group should be allowed to go there. But of course things aren't right--these people have been held without trial, which is a violation of their basic human rights in my book.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:15 AM
Response to Original message
2. What else would the Pentagon say?
I'm sure if you asked Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy or Tim McVeigh, not a one of them would admit that they had done anything untoward. And all those dead bodies? Shrug. Just something that happened.

Why are we letting the perpetrators of the crime determine whether an atrocity has been committed?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 10:09 AM
Response to Original message
3. apparently this is in the more news you can't use category for Big Media
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 10:11 AM
Response to Original message
4. I'm so relieved the Pentagon is investigating itself. They are such known purveyers of the truth.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 10:17 AM
Response to Original message
5. what total BS, meets standards huh?
they will do anything just to keep on torturing people, where is that cheney anyway? this smells of him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnutbutr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 10:17 AM
Response to Original message
6. it would be more helpful
if they were to provide info on which articles of the Geneva Convention that it violates. With that info, Amnesty could gather much more support.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. Amnesty reports
USA: Counter Terror with Justice: A checklist for the next US President (5 November 2008)
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/117/2008/en

USA: Illegal US detentions Focus Sheet: Guantánamo Symbol of Wider Injustice (Information sheet, January 2008)
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/005/2008/en

USA: International Protection for Guantánamo’s Victims (Information sheet, 1 September 2008)
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/095/2008/en

USA: Cruel and Inhuman: Conditions of isolation for detainees at Guantánamo Bay (Report, 5 April 2005)
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/051/2007/en

USA: Guantánamo: Lives torn apart: The impact of indefinite detention on detainees and their families (Report, 6 February 2006)
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/007/2006/en

USA: Guantanamo - an icon of lawlessness (Report, 6 January 2005)
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/002/2005/en

Read the key documents on illegal US detention and other documents on Guantánamo
http://www.amnesty.org/en/campaigns/counter-terror-with-justice/activist-toolkit/key-documents
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnutbutr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. That's cool and all but
doesn't list the specific parts of the convention that are being violated. You can say look, look at what they are doing to these people in violation of international law. That means shit to many people until the actual law that is being violated is referenced and made available. Doesn't sound like a very difficult thing to do that would IMO help the cause significantly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. they break these issues down into those catagories in individual reports
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 02:43 PM by bigtree
It may take some searching, but it's not hard to find Amnesty's highlighting of Geneva articles.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/ai_search?keywords=geneva+convention+guantanamo&op=Search&form_id=search_theme_form&form_token=b116646714128a39bea715536348ee59

here's a key one with specifics:

Document - USA: Memorandum to the US Government on the report of the UN Committee Against Torture and the question of closing Guantánamo
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR51/093/2006/en/dom-AMR510932006en.html

here's a more recent page:
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/content.asp?CategoryID=10226

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 01:38 PM
Response to Original message
9. I think the key word is "now." Obama has put a period at the end of the sentence.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 01:54 PM by AtomicKitten
I was just commenting to a friend yesterday about the crawler on CNN that first stated the WH said actions at Guantanamo were legal. Within a couple hours that was corrected with that ubiquitous "now" as in activities at Guantanamo are NOW legal, putting some daylight between the past and current administrations.

I don't think Obama has decided whether or not to prosecute BushCo, but if he doesn't somebody else in the world body will and that would be an embarrassment to the U.S. I'm hoping AI and other human rights organizations crawl so far up Obama's butt that he does the right thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. Binyam Mohamed beatings 'recent.'
The Guardian:

"Mohamed was found to be suffering from bruising, organ damage, stomach complaints, malnutrition, sores to feet and hands, severe damage to ligaments as well as profound emotional and psychological problems which have been exacerbated by the refusal of Guantánamo's guards to give him counselling.

Mohamed's British lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, said his client had been beaten 'dozens' of times inside the notorious US camp in Cuba with the most recent abuse occurring during recent weeks.

Lieutenant colonel Yvonne Bradley, Mohamed's US military attorney, added: 'He has been severely beaten. Sometimes I don't like to think about it because my country is behind all this.'"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/22/binyam-mohamed-injuries

And there are the forced feedings of the hunger strikers still going on, which are a violation of international law.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/bushmeister0/74

I know OHB is busy with a lot of stuff, but he'd better hurry up and figure out what his policies are going to be on the issue of Gitmo, Baghram (still upholding BushCo policy on denying prisoners their day in court there) and the rest of the places we're holding people. It's bad enough detainees are still being beaten and tied down to chairs, having hoses stuck down their noses, but if anyone were to die during this policy review process, then Obama would definitely being buying Bush's shame.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. That's unacceptable and demands daylight.
Rachel Maddow featured a Guantanamo prison guard on her show last week who dished on the activities there. She mentioned a website Guantanamo Truth where guards are coming forward. This must not get lost in the cracks.

I agree Obama needs to truly extricate himself from Junior's shame or it will become his.

Thanks for posting this. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 08:34 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC