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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:41 PM Original message |
Chavez Announces Takeover of 16 Estates for Venezuela’s Land Reform |
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knowbody0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. way kool |
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Ninja Jordan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 06:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
158. Why? |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. K&R n/t |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. Great, take private property away |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. yea, like Bush earned his 80,000 acres in Paraguay |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I'm not talking about foreigners taking advantage of corrupt governments |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I think those properties were stolen from the natives by the |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Yeah, and that happened basically everywhere in the Western Hemisphere as well |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Thousands of acres for a few people to get rich from? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. i assume that, if you own land |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Actually, my ancestral family in Chile were shipping magnates |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Good, it's your choice and that's fine |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. You are assuming he took the property away. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. the use of the word 'expropriate' |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. So what do you call eminent domain? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. But they're poor! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I know. The premise is totally stupid. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. eminent domain is compensated |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Yes, but you don't know if he did or didn't compensate. You |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. cite it, then |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. I don't because our new media as it is hasn't reported on this |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #62 |
92. It is probably a literal translation... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #92 |
99. From what I have read previously, much of those huge |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:17 AM Response to Reply #99 |
105. info on the land... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Thanks. Hard information. We need it here.n/t |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. They never want to read what is really happening |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 01:04 AM Response to Reply #105 |
119. When this subject came up long ago, it was explained even then that legally owned land will all |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:09 AM Response to Reply #119 |
143. did you see wolf's show on CNN yesterday? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 06:43 AM Response to Reply #143 |
155. Wolf Blitzer is the devil's handmaiden. What a whore. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #143 |
217. They don't want equity |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #143 |
222. Wolfie used the "C" word...saw it...unbelievable... |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #62 |
102. here ya go |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #102 |
109. There ya go. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #102 |
121. Very good information, Viva_La_Revolution. It would be wise if people |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:12 AM Response to Reply #121 |
144. Did you see wolf's show yesterday Judi Lynn? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:22 AM Response to Reply #144 |
147. No, just heard the bastard do a "tease" for it, earlier in the show. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:30 AM Response to Reply #147 |
150. well I had to turn it was so awful |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 06:34 AM Response to Reply #150 |
154. It's a real shame to see the right-wing liars pushing those colossal lies to the public, |
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anitar1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #147 |
204. Empty tool, like a sleepwalker. thanks, Judy Lynn. |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #144 |
188. I saw the very same screaming headline. didn't bother to watch the |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #144 |
225. Transcript of Situation Room blather... |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #225 |
228. lol! |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:10 AM Response to Reply #102 |
128. There you go, dragging FACTS into internet discussion again! You always do that! |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
73. Eminent domain is for public use too |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #73 |
88. The land is land that is not in use, which would lead you to believe |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
195. Question: were these latifundias ever purchased fairly? |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #35 |
115. Just like Mugabe did... |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #115 |
194. Mugabe wasn't elected. Chavez was. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #194 |
200. Actually Mugabe was elected |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #200 |
210. Some of the righties would benefit by spending less time spreading lies |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #115 |
237. Completely different situation |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. so you don't own a house? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Oh but I do own a house. It's on wheels though. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. by what right do you own it though? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. ANWR is being used by the Caribou and the other |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. traditional way of life? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #65 |
91. So what is your beef? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #91 |
100. rich people have rights too, you know |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Yes, I will not dispute that. Rich people have more rights than |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #101 |
103. remember, you are richer than most people in the world |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #55 |
172. Purchased property, stolen property - |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #172 |
213. ahh, but purchasing stolen property is not a defense |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #213 |
238. Those very laws |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #238 |
247. ok Comrade |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #247 |
248. Yes n/t |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #248 |
250. oh well then |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #250 |
251. I do think I will like it |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #251 |
252. you know, people who wish for revolution |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #252 |
253. What's your point? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 06:53 AM Response to Reply #253 |
257. sure, if you are Karl Marx |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #257 |
261. You are again mistaken |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
138. What about abolishing all private ownership of land? |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:59 AM Response to Reply #138 |
142. I see private ownership, by as many people as possible, as a check/balance on government power. (nt) |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:13 AM Response to Reply #142 |
145. The only way of doing that is by limiting the amount of land-- |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:19 AM Response to Reply #145 |
146. Nope. Progressive taxation achieves similar results but allows people who are using lots of stuff. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:26 AM Response to Reply #146 |
148. You are confusing land, water and air with human-made capital |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:27 AM Response to Reply #148 |
149. I edited my post, above since you read it last. Examples of progressive/regressive taxes: |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 06:14 AM Response to Reply #149 |
153. Property tax includes both land and improvements |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #138 |
239. That would be great |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. So, can I have your car? How about your house? |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. If I have 20 houses, and people are homeless outside one I haven't even seen in years? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Sure, if you don't mind your new house being on wheels |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
139. Houses and cars were made by people |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
240. There's a difference between personal property and private property |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
193. time for all of us to become more socialistic in our thinking. |
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Egalitariat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
171. The land under your house was most likely stolen from somebody in the past |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #171 |
260. Mine wasn't stolen. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Yeah, racism from a Latin American of African descent |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Classism? Arrogant Elitism? The Limbaugh Letter? Call it what you want, it's not cool. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Look man |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. So you are blaming the poor persons for this and not |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. Ultimately, it's the individual's responsibility to do what's right and avoid what's wrong |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #54 |
74. No, Cleita; we actually agree |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #74 |
96. I don't think Chavez is kicking anyone out of their house |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. Did you ask your Dad's friend why he didn't pay her better |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #58 |
77. My dad and I gave her some extra money |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #77 |
90. I'm glad you helped her |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #77 |
127. Wow, a hundred bucks! Move over Jesus, we have found a gen-you-wine SAINT! |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 08:33 AM Response to Reply #127 |
161. ouch! |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
111. Well, isn't that kinda the point? The "way things are down there"? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
208. Do you even read your own writing, Katzenkavalier? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Deleted message |
Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. That DOES seem to be the basis of his arguement here. nm |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. It's the basis of any argument among Latinos. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
68. "Pepe, his wife and their 27 kids" |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
151. As always, the Chavez Brigade springs to defense of their hero |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 06:46 AM Response to Reply #151 |
256. As always our brown shirts are up and yelling "commie" |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Wow, that's a big statement from someone whom I think doesn't |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. No me venga con eso |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Entonces usted sabes que yo digo es la verdad. n/t |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. No, no estoy de acuerdo. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
209. Y mucha sangre se ha derramado gracias a los ricos que oprimían |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
53. Did the people that no doubt inherited that land earn it? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
137. I've never heard of anybody who ever "earned" title to any property |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
152. Feeling a bit classist are we? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 06:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
157. You so do not understand the history of the region. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
207. They're probably tenant farmers who have been doing ALL the work |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
215. "people who haven't done shit in their lives" |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
221. Hello? We have eminent domain here. People have had their properties wrenched |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
235. That property is theft |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 07:30 AM Response to Reply #3 |
259. So fallow land that is disused and that was gotten under laws that were exploitive |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
4. Land reform is an issue that has lead the elections |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That's irrelevant |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Irrelevant as your reply to my question |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. What right do the rich families have to the land? |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. The difference depends on which side you are on. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. and if every single person |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
52. huh! WTF are you rambling on about? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
72. um, well, gee |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #72 |
89. If you think you and ADM are "the same" in principle then you are living in one strange |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #89 |
95. no, but you are either an owner or a worker |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:24 AM Response to Reply #95 |
110. Your "definitions" have been given to you by the cons. You may want to try |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #110 |
112. worker owned? |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #112 |
117. Of course the idea of "private" when it comes to earth air land and sky is a delusion. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #112 |
211. There's such a thing as "too poor to leave" |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
196. or will he be a parasite? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. you can't win, you know |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Are you Cuban? |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Puerto Rican |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
216. Then your perspective into the issue is as good as an American's. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
5. I had a friend, who was born and raised here, but whose |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Those huge landholdings are just a continuation of the old European feudal system. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Exactly, the argument I'm making. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Taxation is different from land takeover |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. You still haven't explained by what right the rich families have possession of the land. |
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Big Pappa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. What |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. How did these landowners EARN the land? Who sold it to them? Who told them it was theirs? (nt) |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #61 |
79. how does anyone? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 06:52 AM Response to Reply #48 |
156. It isn't what the did, it's what they are going to do |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #156 |
197. I'll believe that when i see it. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #197 |
202. As opposed to something else you think will happen. |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Puerto Rico is 3400 square miles |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. Just as many Americans |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. So, in other words, they "didn't do shit." They popped out of the right uterus. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. And the poor do, right? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. They have an equal claim. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #67 |
82. well, let's say the land is redistributed |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:33 AM Response to Reply #82 |
113. they have to work it for 3 years and make it productive |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. the bottom line is |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #63 |
94. well, if that is the ideological purity test |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Building strawmen is fun, isn't it? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:17 AM Response to Reply #98 |
104. oh, then I am fine |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:51 AM Response to Reply #104 |
118. Works for me as long as it's put in a trust for education, |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:36 AM Response to Reply #118 |
136. I am not. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #136 |
179. I have to agree with you. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #179 |
186. it's bad for the economy to have investments |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #186 |
191. I have no degree in economics, but many who do have degrees understand |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
86. Like the man said, they've had it for centuries. Therefore all is for the best in this best of all |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
51. I think it's maybe worse here. We not only have the plutocracy, we have the biggest, baddest |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #27 |
123. But that was a long time ago! |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
45. I'm confused about |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. yes, privately owned |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #59 |
71. My guess would be you are right |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
69. privately owned |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
70. owned by the descendants of the Spanish who 'claimed' it from the Indians |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
78. They are huge ranches that the best way to explain |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #78 |
176. Thanks to everyone |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
241. They were privately owned |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
66. This is going fail like every other one of Chavez's programs |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. fail like all of his programs? |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. They are still growing the same amount |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #66 |
81. like the literacy program |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. I think many people |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-26-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. what is this "investment" |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #84 |
93. It's what they are fed constantly... |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #93 |
116. There are a lot of neocons and reactionaries on this thread. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:18 AM Response to Reply #81 |
106. infratructure? |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #106 |
114. got a link? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #114 |
122. The US also stopped selling parts to Venezuela for the F-16's |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 01:50 AM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Didn't know the Israel part, but it really goddamned figures! Really dirty business. n/t |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 01:48 AM Response to Reply #114 |
124. To be more specific, Bush's government demanded that American companies would NOT sell replacement |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #124 |
162. thanks |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #124 |
169. well, I gotta tell you |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #169 |
181. This is the US government refusing to perform on an existing contract, |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. and you think there is also something in the contract |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. Now your you're just making shit up trying to justify your position. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. where was that shirt you are wearing made? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. No shit, nice evasion. n/t |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. nice evasion? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #189 |
233. What was the phrase? Oh yes, gorilla dust. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #233 |
249. are you sure you are? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #249 |
254. Again, you try to change the issue. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #169 |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #114 |
168. this one does: |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 01:04 AM Response to Reply #81 |
120. The sad thing is he is not uninformed at all, just a supporter of the |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #120 |
163. hey you! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #163 |
182. Fer sure, how ya doin'? n/t |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 03:55 AM Response to Reply #66 |
134. Yes, it will indeed fail "just like" them. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:53 AM Response to Reply #66 |
140. Absolutely wrong. What Chavez is doing worked brilliantly in Taiwan |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 07:08 AM Response to Reply #66 |
160. you should moderate your lying, |
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FyurFly (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
97. Commie is as Commie does n/t |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 01:53 AM Response to Reply #97 |
126. You just don't hear that old filthy redbaiting the way you used to hear it. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #97 |
165. Were Chávez really a communist |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #97 |
199. Wolf? is that you? |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #97 |
242. And commie does right n/t |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
129. I support expropriation if the land lord is compensated at fair market value. |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:27 AM Response to Reply #129 |
130. What are countries supposed to do when so few own so much? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:42 AM Response to Reply #130 |
131. According to some posters upwind who oppose this, not much. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:01 AM Response to Reply #129 |
135. Why do you insist upon compensation? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #135 |
166. What would you substitute for private property rights? n/t |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #135 |
220. My concern is what you address with your edit. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #135 |
232. The reasoning is purely economic. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #129 |
177. Which is what Mugabe said he would do....at first |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #177 |
231. That has no relevance on my position. n/t |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #129 |
243. Why compensate them? |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 03:13 AM Response to Original message |
132. Fuck the rich bastards! |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 03:52 AM Response to Original message |
133. "The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:59 AM Response to Original message |
141. Two very similar cases of successful land reform |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #141 |
178. Many bad cases |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #178 |
230. The question is then "which of these cases does the Chavez plan resemble" |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
159. Land stolen from indigenous people by the ancestors of the |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #159 |
164. You know, that begs the question -- Where do you live? n/t |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #164 |
170. Why does that beg that question? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #170 |
173. It begs the question b/c if you believe that no there are no private property rights |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #173 |
174. There's a big difference between living on it and claiming ownership of it. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #174 |
175. That's why I asked. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #175 |
192. Would you not? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #192 |
198. In a word, no. It is simply not feasible. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #198 |
201. I agree that not every case can be judged equally, |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
167. I don't see a controversy here... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #167 |
180. The problem here is that our government under Bush has |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #167 |
205. It's because Chavez says he's a socialist |
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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
190. I'm lovin' me some Chavez! |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
203. Most people here don't know what a Latin American "latifundio" is like. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
206. Before the usual allies of Venezuela's conservatives get all hysterical |
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tehehehe (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
212. Way to go!!!!!!!!! |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #212 |
223. If you think Chavez = Mugabe |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
218. Regardless of one's views on the legality or necessity of such action, it could have a |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #218 |
226. You can't expect one article to tell you everything you need to know about a complex situation, |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #226 |
227. Perfectly reasonable. I didn't have time to do much research. I posted |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #218 |
236. That is because the bullshit media system wants to keep you ignorant. |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
219. Good. |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
224. Viva Chavez! It's about time! |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
229. Almost everyone on this thread is failing to distinguish between... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #229 |
234. In addition the expropriation is orderly qualified and compensated. |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:57 PM Response to Reply #234 |
246. Well I guess this post of mine |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
244. Venceremos! |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
245. Democracy is messy, sayeth D. Rumsfeld while waging an imperialist war of aggression. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-27-07 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
255. Last night on CNN they covered Hugo's latest actions with |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
258. Where are the anguished cries of the Landlords? |
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