GED, AS, BS, or whatever...

[Crazy Dave]

There still won't be enough jobs in Elkhart, IN or most other cities. Not even enough Mcjobs or Wal-Mart jobs. Of course here I see ads everyday for janitors, box stackers, lawn maintenance workers, etc. that say, "please send your professional resume to:"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090223/ap_on_re_us/meltdown_ged_demand

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. Putting stripes on an RV probably shouldn't earn anyone $19/hour.

And especially not in a low cost of living area. She was really friggin lucky.

[Crazy Dave]

2. I don't know if I agree with that...

But the woman who used cut my hair told me her ex, a mail deliveryman made $55k a year (15 years ago) just putting letters in people's mail boxes. Give me $25k and I'd do it.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. You know how much important stuff goes through the mail?

You need to pay them well enough so that they're less likely to steal shit.

Putting stripes on an RV though? That requires little skill, no responsibility, and obviously, no education. I'd rather pay McDonald's staff $19/hour - at least they're handling food and dealing with asshole customers.

[Cerridwen]

4. "Give me $25k and I'd do it." To whomever said that...

it just goes to show "you" know absolutely zip about what a letter carrier's job entails.

[lumberjack_jeff]

11. I find it fascinating that people who are ignorant of a given job are experts in setting its pay. nt

[Cerridwen]

13. I think what they're "experts" in is trying to drag others down

to their lowly expectations of what work is worth.

I've seen it in attacks against unions and government employees. Rather than demanding they make the same as union workers and government workers, they bitch that union workers and government workers don't "earn" their "big bucks." What a back-asswards way to agitate for "fair" wages.

No wonder wages are stagnant after a race to the bottom.

[conscious evolution]

27. I can remember when

many goverment jobs were considered low paying but secure jobs.
Things sure have changed when people consider govt. work high paying.

[Blue Diadem]

15. You said it perfectly. n/t

[lunatica]

7. mail people do so much more than put mail in people's boxes

they transport the mail, sort the mail, make sure your bills get to you on time so you aren't late on your payments. Try going into the back of post offices if you think the job is simple. Do you think FedEx and UPS's jobs are simple? Because they're all the same, only FedEx and UPS charge much more than the cost of a stamp to ship and delivery packages. Mail handlers have to deliver tons of crap third class mail and they have to do it right and in whatever weather presents itself.

[Crazy Dave]

8. They pay sub-contractors and temps $8 - $11 an hour to do the exact same job

With no benefits.

So what's your point?

[lunatica]

17. Read my reply to your OP if you want to see what my point is

You're trying to claim mailcarriers get paid way too much for the cushy job of sticking mail into mailboxes. You're wrong if you think it's cushy or that it's a simple job.

That's my point. It's not even very hard to comprehend

[Crazy Dave]

20. And there are people who work a lot harder and get paid a lot less

Roofers, landscapers, road maintenance crews, etc. but that's even harder for you to comprehend.

[October]

24. Who are you to decide who works harder?

[Crazy Dave]

25. Common sense

Only a tool would think (or be a dumb-ass to not know the difference) that a person who does hard, physical work on a roof or on asphalt during the hot summer or in the cold of winter has it easier than a mail carrier or other similar jobs.

[October]

26. Well,

There are plenty of ways to define HARD WORK. Motherhood comes to mind.

That is mental and physical and 365/24/7.

If a roofer takes such a job...he/she takes such a job. Our roofers were well paid for what they did, how well they did it, and the mess they left behind. Lots of nails.

No need to get snarky. I just think there are plenty of jobs that involve hard hours, work, weekends, weather, etc. Take a lesson from the president and try to be nice.

[Raineyb]

22. The sub contractors and temps are being screwed n/t

Regards

[Blue Diadem]

12. Putting stripes on a $50,000-$600,000+ vehicle isn't worth $19 per hour?

http://www.monacocoach.com/

Take a look at the stripes too.

[Fovea]

5. But you know.

If you have a BA .. PhD, and are unemployed, you probably know how to better defend your loved ones in time of crisis, and really know how to find and hurt those who messed you up, should you decide it is time.

Without the degree, or equivalent research skills, you still may go fuck someone up, but it will stand more chance of being a victim, rather than a villain.

Here in Kansas, I've got a little list, for example, of those referred to by Mssrs Gilbert and Sullivan.
Mostly the benefactors of the malefactors.
There aren't a lot of them, you know. And they are as arrogant as they are stupid, for the most part.

You know where their hard assets are on the ground, you have the ability to shove a stick in their spokes when TSHTF.
Why? because they already think of themselves as the aristocracy. It is a short goosestep from there to autocracy.

Woodrow Wilson entered WW1 to make the world safe for democracy. Just like we did in Iraq.
Imperial Russia left the war in 1917. We all remember why.

And if order is not maintained in the face of the budget collapse of main street, you will see the shit sail.
Remember Henry V by BIg Bill?

"Well, bawd I'll turn,
And something lean to cutpurse of quick hand.
To England will I steal, and there I'll steal:
And patches will I get unto these cudgell'd scars,
And swear I got them in the Gallia wars."
PISTOL- Act V, Sc 1.

Our brave boys and girls in the middle east are coming home to this. And they are used to living in a violent land with only partial order. And they know where the loot is here.

And if order is maintained, and the crisis is constrained by govt spending (Keynes dont fail me now) the degree will make you a part of the
better educated democracy we hope to build. (because a poorly educated democracy is a temporary thing)
And if not, you will know where Caesar's commentaries on the Gallic Wars, Sun Tzu, and Von Clausewitz are, and know how to find schematics for that honda generator or how to make a steam engine out of a BMW motorcycle engine block.

Certainly one might do all this without a degree. But getting there first counts in a real ass crisis.

[acmavm]

6. Oh hell yes, all you brainiacs with your degrees will be here with

the cockroaches at the end. All the ignorant and the great unwashed will have dumbed themselves into extinction.

:sarcasm:

[Fovea]

9. I appreciate your sarcasm

and look, I have been called a brainiac or worse my whole damn life.
I grew up with 80 acres of soy in my back yard.
None of my siblings got a high school diploma.

I left for the city and went into nursing.
Then linguistics and poli sci.
Programming had been my hobby, and I loved it back then.

So up until a few years ago, I made my living as a fixer for big IT problems.
Which generally, though not always tended to be big corporate problems.
The job came with a large bag of tricks. And that was generally considered a necessary evil.

Which is to say, a good thing.
As one of fate's little ironies, I lost some core abilities in a stroke.
What remains is still whip smart, just less likely to survive much chaos.

One thing I learned in the ER is how many people die from ignorance.
Bleach and Ammonia? Every month I saw one. One guy killed his 12 year old by making him eat a pack of
cigarettes he found in his bedroom. You have no idea how personally i take entropy.

How you live life also includes how you think it may end, don't you think?

Query --
Do you prefer slow zombies, or fast zombie movies?
No sarcasm.

[Crazy Dave]

10. Diplomas also make good fire starting material to stay warm with...

...after your company downsizes and you have your electricity turned off or you get evicted and you have to live out on the street :sarcasm: :P

[acmavm]

14. What the hell has anything you just posted got to do with a

college degree?

[Fovea]

16. One response-- I sum it up.

1. knowledge is an absolute good in sunny days or stormy.

2. Yes. I am a bonafide brainiac. God's know I have to live among the dull witted every day- I grew up among the ignorant.. Your opinions are 100 percent as valuable as mine, your analysis however may be less reliable.

3. The culture war has sides. It will likely go hot if the music stops. Had Stirling Price been quicker thinking by half a day right after Ft. Sumner, the war would have gone on for another half decade and more. He was not thinking strategically in crisis and he was fighting a losing side from move two. Franz Sigel was, and all the weapons in Jefferson Barracks went to the Union.

[rvablue]

23. It's funny how you self-ID as a "brainiac" and call others "dim-witted" as I can't understand

or follow a word you've written in this thread.

It's like a stream-of-conscience word salad.

:silly:

[lunatica]

18. LOL! Idiocracy will never happen!

Brainiacs are too smart to let it happen. Yeah, they sure kept Bush out of our lives didn't they?



:rofl:

[NeedleCast]

19. Come to DC

We're expected to grow jobs thourgh 2011 right now.

[Crazy Dave]

21. Vote for me and I'll double that

;)