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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:15 PM
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When will the markets come back?
It's not looking good right now, and I'm starting to back away from my earlier prediction of the end of the year to the middle of next year...


What do you think?

This worries me because the GOP will be up Obama's ass if the markets don't come back at this second..
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:17 PM
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1. 12 months. No sooner. n/t
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:18 PM
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2. Time for the Plunge Protection Team to make a house call
Although we can't let ourselves be pushed around by those screaming yo-yo's.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:18 PM
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3. IO think the DOW will go down to around 4,000 and will not get back to
10,000 for years to come.
Maybe 6,000 to 8,000 by the end of Obama's first term, if that high.

Unemployment is now at around 7 1/2%, and will go near or over 10% IMO.
It's not hardly started yet.

mark
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:59 PM
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19. yes I was thinking 4800
unemployment over 10%
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:19 PM
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4. When they can be trusted....
by the small investor, the playing field level, and the books aren't cooked.

Roughly, around the 12th of never or another generation-which ever comes first.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:19 PM
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5. If the gop's response is all you're concerned with, then don't
worry about the markets because if the gop can't find something to use to go after President Obama, they'll just make it up.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:21 PM
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6. Yes, they will come back. By this time next year, we'll be above 9000 for the DOW.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 03:21 PM by TexasObserver
And that's even if we dip below 7000 the next few months.
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:38 PM
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14. Wow, that is unbelievably optimistic.
I would bet all my money that at this time next year the DOW is not above 9000, that's ludicrously high...
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:55 PM
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16. Then you should bet all your money on it.
I'm not sure why your pessimism is so compelling. Is this your first major recession? They don't last forever, you know.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:27 PM
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21. I think you're right
We're betting on it so to speak too. My son and I have been pooling our money and buying as much as we've been able for the last 2 months. We're down but we expected that. Not to worry - we're doing the right thing.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:21 PM
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7. Not until the banking system is stabilized
and I don't mean with half measures and piecemeal pandering.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:22 PM
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8. All the bad paper has to work its way through the system
and the bad institutions among hedge funds and insurance outfits need to fail. Banks need to be supported, by outright nationalization if not by other means.

Then customers need to reappear. That means rebuilding our manufacturing infrastructure from the bottom up while empowering workers and protecting their jobs from corporate raiders looking for profit through offshoring.

If they do all the right things, we might see incremental improvement after the next couple of years. If they don't, we won't see anything but a protracted disaster.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:23 PM
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9. I have no idea now. I used to think I did.
I predicted way long ago that the market would come back in June of this year, but I don't see that happening. Because for one, it hasn't even bottomed out yet. !
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:30 PM
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22. For a while last week I was feeling the same way. No more after today
I think we are either at the bottom or we will see it very soon, no later than mid March.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:32 PM
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23. Hope you're right.
:fingerscrossed:
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:39 PM
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24. There are very serious people taking very serious steps and they are willing to do more
Both here and around the world there are very serious and smart people devoting all the resources available to nations to bring order and stability to the global markets. I can imagine no case in which such effort will not be successful. At the moment we are finishing up the necessary part of exposing the worst of the failures and have already begun on the fixes. That said the future is predictable enough.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:24 PM
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10. Back to what?
This level reflects the true value more than 14K did. I don't see it getting beyond 9K anytime soon.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:29 PM
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11. Some time after someone is punished for destroying it.
Until then I will not be investing a single cent.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:29 PM
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12. Not until they hit bottom....2600-2800 pt.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 03:29 PM by LeftHander
Then it will take 6-8 years to return...the entire economic landscape will of been completely rebuilt.

I suggest taking up gardening, pottery, wood working and basket weaving...

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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:34 PM
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13. 2012? 2015?
I'm being serious too. A couple of years at a minimum...
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:42 PM
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15. Who knows?
If anyone does know, they can make a fortune in options.

Too much uncertaintly out there - more stimulus packages, regulations, tax rates, etc.

The market doesn't like uncertainty and reacts accordingly by continuing to go down.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:57 PM
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17. Is this the bottom?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:58 PM
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18. 10, 15 years maybe
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:24 PM
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20. The Big L
and it will stay there until enough renewable energy capacity and enough concrete and steel stimulus is being spent for roughly five years.
At the end of that, we will be energy independent, and have a new steel industry, a new transportation system, and universal medicare.

At that point, there will be capital accumulation, and actual wealth being produced again, I believe.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:52 PM
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25. IT will be a Tuesday .....
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:33 PM
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26. The market is a drama queen -- it needs to grow up and start acting in a mature fashion EOM
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