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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:28 PM
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Breaking: AIG will report the biggest loss in US corporate history
American Insurance Group, the insurance giant that is 80-percent owned by the US government, is in discussions with the government to secure additional funds so it can keep operating after next Monday, when it will report the largest loss in U.S. corporate history, CNBC has learned.

Sources close to the company said the loss will be near $60 billion due to writedowns on a variety of assets including commercial real estate.

That massive loss is likely to spur downgrades in its insurance and credit ratings that will force AIG to raise collateral that it doesn't have.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29353282

So what to do now? :evilfrown:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:29 PM
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1. Yow! Things Are Really Kinda Starting To Spiral Out Of Control
:wow:
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:36 PM
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3. I think the government should let AIG file for bankruptcy
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:39 PM
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6. ....................
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:41 PM
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10. Do we have any other option?
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:47 PM
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14. Look at how much they have already borrowed!!..............


.............Talks between the government and AIG are focussed on how the company can swap some of the debt held by the government for equity in AIG. The problem is that the government's ownership stake cannot exceed its current 79.9 percent, leaving officials to try and find a creative way to transfer value to the US in exchange for AIG reducing its debt so that it can then borrow more from the government to meet its collateral calls.



David Faber
CNBC Anchor and Reporter

AIG has borrowed roughly $40 billion from a $60 billion credit facility provided it by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. if it can find a way to pay that down by swapping equity, it hopes to take it back up to a level that will allow it to meet its collateral and capital calls.

AIG's board is scheduled to meet this Sunday night in hopes of hammering out an agreement with the government. But in case it can't, AIG's lawyers at Weill Gotschal are preparing for the possibility of bankruptcy.
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ozu Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:52 PM
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17. The have too much exposure to CDS
Either we print more money we don't have to prop them up, or we allow them to collapse and take down Citi, BoA, half the world's private banks with them.

We're eating shit either way.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:39 PM
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33. Isn't there some way to wipe out the CDS?
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ozu Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:27 PM
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43. Buying it up, I assume
Assuming their entire exposure to these bad bets against subprime/Alt-A/Option ARM mortgage backed securities is realized, then I believe conservative estimates were that they'd be on the hook for between $500B-1T (possibly more), which they don't have.

So, we either print more money to cover these debts as they come due (which we've been doing), we print a shitload of new money to buy up all the debt and hope beyond hope that we don't lose it all, or we allow them to immediately file bankruptcy which would presumably drag down the entire world financial sector into a hellmouth. Mad Max is now a reality and everyone loads up on guns and spiked shoulderpads.
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Spouting Horn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:00 PM
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19. Gee, but we were told
the Taxpayer would MAKE money on their AIG "investment."

(Just like we were told the loans to GM would make us money, and were only "bridge" loans)

US Taxpayer = SUCKER
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:33 PM
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2. Edward Liddy belongs in jail
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 03:35 PM by seemslikeadream
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:41 PM
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7. Don't forget Maurice


Left to right: Robert Willumstad (7/2008 - 9/2008), Martin Sullivan (2005-2008), Maurice (removed as CEO by Spitzer)

And some other people in the AIG family like Paul Bremer and Jerome Hauer...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:42 PM
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11. I just posted you down thread!
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 03:43 PM by seemslikeadream
:hi: :hug: :loveya:
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:44 PM
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12. I'll always wake up when I see AIG
There is so much to say about AIG. It's a bottomless pit of depravity. If people knew what they had done over the years / decades, they would have been ...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:48 PM
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15. Understanding the Next Phase of the Global Systemic Crisis
Have you heard of Franck Biancheri?


http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/46561


Guns and Butter - "Understanding the Next Phase of the Global Systemic Crisis" - December 10, 2008 at 1:00pm
"Understanding the Next Phase of the Global Systemic Crisis" with Director of Research for the GlobalEurope Anticipation Bulletin, Franck Biancheri. We discuss the global systemic crisis leading to a Very Great Depression in the United States. Each month, the Bulletin brings its unique analyses of the upcoming stages of the collapse of the world order created after 1945, as well as numerous strategic recommendations for decisions in the political, economic and financial fields. Visit their websites at www.leap2020.eu and www.europe2020.org .





Since this is a public announcement, I’m assuming it’s okay to publish it in full. For much more detailed information, you’ll find it necessary to subscribe to their regular journal

You can do this at LEAP/E2020.

ABOUT GEAB:

Each month, the GlobalEurope Anticipation Bulletin brings you its unique analyses on the upcoming stages of the collapse of the world order created after 1945, as well as numerous strategic recommendations for your decisions in the political, economic and financial fields.
Because in our complex world, all these dimensions are interconnected and command developments across sectors.

The GlobalEurope Anticipation Bulletin is the confidential letter of think-tank LEAP/Europe 2020. As such, our aim is to provide our readers with state-of-the-art analyses of geo-political anticipation centered around the study and follow-up of the global systemic crisis, itself focussed on the evolution of the dollar and of the US economy, and their impact on international economy and financial markets, all that seen from a European perspective:

* Global systemic crisis Watch
* Analysis of chosen aspects of the political, economic and financial news
* Identification of relevant indicators, analysis of trends, anticipation of evolutions
* Follow-up of dollar, US economy, global economy, financial markets,…; anticipation of evolutions
* Implications of the crisis on security and defense, politics, public opinon…
* Identification of future-bearer leads
* Investment councel
* Indicator of opinion (GlobalEurometre)


And, finally, here’s their latest public announcement:

GEAB N°22 is available! Global systemic crisis / September 2008 - Phase of collapse of US real economy
- Public announcement GEAB N°22 (February 16, 2008) -

According to LEAP/E2020, the end of the third quarter of 2008 will be marked by a new tipping point in the unfolding of the global systemic crisis. At that time indeed, the cumulated impact of the various sequences of the crisis (see table below) will reach its maximum strength and affect decisively the very heart of the systems concerned, on the frontline of which the United States, epicentre of the current crisis. In the United States, this new tipping point will translate into a collapse of the real economy, final socio-economic stage of the serial bursting of the housing and financial bubbles (1) and of the pursuance of the US dollar fall. The collapse of US real economy means the virtual freeze of the American economic machinery: private and public bankruptcies in large numbers, companies and public services closing down massively (2),…

A revealing harbinger: from March 2008 onward, the US government will stop a service publishing its economic indicators due to budget restrictions (3). Those who read the GEAB N°2 (02/2006) and included Alert certainly keep in mind our anticipation which connected the upcoming fall of the US dollar with the US Fed’s decision to cease publishing the M3 indicator. This new decision is another clear sign that US leaders are now anticipating a very bleak economic outlook for their country.

Time perspective of the seven sequences of the impact phase of the global systemic crisis as anticipated since mid-2007 - Source LEAP/E2020, GEAB N°18 (10/2007)

In this 22nd issue of the GEAB, LEAP/E2020’s experts try in particular to anticipate very specifically what will come out of the collapse of the US real economy for the United States themselves and for the other regions of the world. Meanwhile our team presents five sets of strategic and operational recommendations helping to protect oneself from the upcoming deterioration of the global systemic crisis.

On the occasion of the second anniversary of the publication of our famous “Global systemic crisis Alert” which toured the world in February 2006 (4), LEAP/E2020 wishes to remind that we are now resolutely stepping into an era with no historical precedent. Our researchers insisted on that many times in the last two years: any comparison with the previous crises of our modern economy would be fallacious. It is neither a “remake” of the 1929 crisis nor a repetition of the 1970s oil crises or 1987 stock market crisis. It is truly a global systemic crisis, that is to say a crisis affecting the entire planet and questioning the very foundations of the international system upon which the world was organised in the last decades.

According to LEAP/E2020, it is also instructive to observe that, two years after the release of this « Alert » which at the time generated both the interest of millions of readers worldwide and the condescending irony of most « experts » and « managers » of the economic and financial spheres, everyone is now convinced that a crisis is truly happening, that it is really global, and for most people already that it could indeed be systemic. However, it is always a repeated astonishment for our team to see the degree of incapacity of these same experts and managers in understanding the specific nature of the phenomenon currently unfolding. According to them, this crisis would only be a usual crisis but bigger. As a matter of fact that’s how the financial media reflect the dominant interpretations of the ongoing crisis. According to our team, this approach is not only intellectually lazy (5), it is also morally guilty, because it has for a main consequence to prevent their readers (whether they are simple citizens, private investors or public or private organisation managers) from preparing for the upcoming shocks (6).

For this reason, in opposition to all what can be read in the mainstream media always eager to conceal the truth and serve the interests of those who rule them, LEAP/E2020 wishes to remind that it is first and foremost in the United States that the systemic crisis is taking an unprecedented shape (the « Very Great US Depression » as our team decided to call it in January 2007 (7)) because it is around this country, and this country alone, that the world got progressively organised after the second World War. The various issues of the GEAB extensively described this situation. In short, it appears to be useful to make clear that neither Europe nor Asia have a negative saving rate, a full-scale housing crisis throwing millions of citizens out of their homes, a free-falling currency, abysmal public and trade deficits, an economic recession and, on top of all this, a number of costly wars to finance.

Neither Asia nor Europe (or more precisely ‘nor the Eurozone’) will suffer the roughest, the most sustainable and the most negative impact of the ongoing crisis; but the United States will, as well as all the countries/economies strongly linked to the US (what our experts have decided to call “the American risk”) (8). A “decoupling” is indeed taking place between the US economy and the other large regions of the world. But “decoupling” does not mean “independence” and it is clear that, as anticipated by LEAP/E2020 for many months, Asia and Europe will be affected by the crisis. But « decoupling » entails that the evolution of the US economy and of the other large regions of the world are no longer synchronised, that Asia and Europe are now moving along courses no longer determined by the US economy.

The global systemic crisis is in fact the beginning of an economic « decoupling » between the US and the rest of the world, knowing that the non « decoupled » economies will be dragged down the US negative spiral.

US Self-Employment in a Steep Downturn - Source Bureau of Labor Statistics / Merril Lynch (shaded region represents period of US recession)

The cases of the housing (2006) and financial (2007) bubble-bursting are eloquent. Indeed, the large majority of operators (non-specialised in the concerned sector) discovered that « the party was over » a long time after the trend had reversed. During the entire reversal period (which usually lasts between 6 to 12 months at most), dominant stances kept repeating them that nothing was changing and that emerging worries had no reason to be; and later, that the problems would remain confined to the sector concerned and to the US only. All those who, in the US and elsewhere, listened to these arguments are bitterly regretful now that they are stuck with unmarketable houses (or about to be foreclosed) or now that they see the value of their assets crumble day after day (9).

Concerning stock markets, our team has anticipated since October 2007 that international stocks would plummet by 20 to 60 percent according to the region in the course of the year 2008. Today, we must re-evaluate our anticipations as we estimate that losses will be even greater than that. Indeed, on the one hand, stock markets have already lost between 10 and 20 percent since the beginning of the year (10), and, on the other hand, the collapse of the real economy in the US by the end of Summer 2008 will drag down all stock markets. According to LEAP/E2020, international stock markets will probably drop by 50 percent in average compared to 2007 (including in the emerging countries) (11).

This sort of re-evaluation is typical of the work of anticipation carried by LEAP/E2020. Month after month we try to distinguish which trends are growing and which are relenting in order to improve the accuracy of our evaluations. We do not strive to “be right” (12), not to “sell” or “promote” anything. We seek simply and without prejudice to describe in advance the consequences of the heavy trends at play in this 21st-century world, and to share with our readers what we think are the proper means to protect oneself from the most negative effects.

In this 22nd issue of the Global Europe Anticipation Bulletin, with the alert we sound about a collapse of US real economy from September 2008 onward, we are trying again to warn those concerned that this major event will generate many very severe socio-political troubles in the United States (13) whose economy is truly on a tumbling course (14), a situation extremely likely to entail very heavy consequences for the financial and monetary markets, and for the world’s economy. We have not yet reached the heart of the crisis. According to LEAP/E2020, we will be there in the second semester of 2008.

———-
Notes:

(1) A very instructive film was recently nominated at the Sundance Film Festival: I.O.U.S.A., directed by Patrick Creadon. As it follows the journey of David Walker, US Comptroller General (and therefore responsible for controlling federal public spending), during a series of conferences on the state of public expenditures throughout the country, this film shows the very direct impact of the current crisis on American citizens and the United States. The release of this film illustrates the fact that, in just a few months time, this crisis left the mere circles of experts and boardrooms of financial institutions to enter into the daily life of the US citizens.

(2) In the past few days, the complete collapse of Municipal bonds (or « Munis ») illustrates the fact that the crisis is spreading to all the sectors of the US society. This collapse will freeze all public investment projects scheduled by local authorities in the US. It is one of the first big victims of the implosion of « bonds insurers » announced by LEAP/E2020 in the GEAB N°19. It also demonstrates the fact that large banks are now incapable of playing their role of financers of the country’s economic activity. Sources: Financial Times, 02/13/2008 & Bloomberg, 02/14/2008

(3) Source: EconomicIndicators.Gov, Economics & Statistics Administration, US Department of Commerce

(4) See GEAB N°2, 02/15/2006

(5) The first reason that may prevent those « experts » to conceive the « unconceivable », is not a matter of intelligence but a « commercial » problem. Indeed it would compel them to review most of their intellectual principles (their work hypotheses) and their business base (their « clients » would not appreciate to learn that they were on the wrong track all these years).

(6) On this subject, it is worth noticing the very straightforward speech made by the head of the Bank of England, Mervyn King, who recently warned his fellow citizens that the current crisis would downgrade significantly their living standards. Unfortunately, no US leader, including among the Democrats, is able to produce such a speech, knowing that their fellow citizens are hit even harder than the British. Source: The Telegraph, 02/14/2008.

(7) See GEAB N°11, 01/15/2007.

(8) In this 22nd issue of the GEAB, the LEAP/E2020 team gives a set of recommendations helping investors to assess themselves the « American risk » of a country, sector or investment.

(9) The same goes for all those who chose to listen to similar arguments telling them, along the years 2006 and 2007, that it was impossible for the EURUSD exchange rate to go above 1.30, then 1.40, and now 1.50… while waiting 1.70 at the end of the year 2008.

(10) Only « dream merchants » can still imagine that stock markets could improve by the end of the year, while the crisis is speeding up.

(11) It is worth reminding that in January 2008, in just a month, global stock markets saw USD 5,200 billion-worth go up in smoke. Source: China Daily News, 02/10/2008

(12) Even if our anticipations undeniably proved to be right in the past two years concerning the global systemic crisis.

(13) See ‘Sequence 6 : 2nd quarter 2007 – 4th quarter 2009 : « Very Great Depression » in the US, social unrest and growing influence of the army on public management, GEAB N°18, 10/15/2007

(14) Predictions about the failure of dozens of US banks in the coming two years illustrate the scope of upcoming difficulties. Source: Reuters, 02/01/2008
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:02 PM
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22. You talked about that before. I hope it's not true
because it sounds like the start the Weimar Republic which would imply that George W. Bush was merely the Trail Blazer.

The thing which bothers me is that the AIG crisis was engineered in London and it was the UK branch which toppled the company and caused the current crisis. So if the story above is correct, it could be slightly different because the UK is not part of the Euro zone either and kept the pound. Even though the UK is hit hard as well, it are mainly the Scottish banks (RBS, HBOS) which are feeling most of the heat. It is worth remember that the Scottish and English banking system used to be seperate until the Thatcher regime when it was liberated and even though it would make more sense that England would dominate the Scotland the opposite was true and the Scotland started to become the winner of the neoliberalization policies of Maggy until now...

Then again I don't know and I am merely talking outloud.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:39 PM
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44. Very very interesting reading - sad the rest is behind 200 euro subscription
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 05:41 PM by BelgianMadCow
the graph on the US monetary base ...



:wow:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:42 PM
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47. Did you listen to the interview?
I have to listen to it again, French accent was difficult! :hi:
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:37 PM
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4. Good thing I canceled my insurance with them
as of this Wednesday
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:38 PM
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5. When will the media analyze the per-worker compensation at AIG???
You know, so we can see if it's "worth it" to prop up this zombie company any longer... :shrug:
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:41 PM
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8. Since our goev (that is us) own 80%, I doubt they will let it go bust. Besides
there is the mentality of---its too big to fail operating.
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Spouting Horn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:02 PM
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20. If you're "too big to fail"
then you're simply too big.

We need to break up these huge financial institutions, and get back to community banking.

But no, TARP (contrary to what we are told) is to be used by big banks to buy up smaller banks.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:41 PM
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9. AIG and Mena
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:52 PM
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48. Most people have no idea what went on in Mena back in the mid-80's
I'm sure you've prolly already seen this but if not is well worth a look:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/mena.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:09 PM
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51. and now we have Stanford
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 09:14 PM by seemslikeadream
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:47 PM
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13. A.I.G. is to "Inside Job" what Abramoff was to "Lobbying"
Connected, Protected, but Never Inspected, Audited or closely investigated.

This is two years old but it gives some history of the company:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=92675&mesg_id=96045

Full, original report on that history:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/part_1.html

More recently:

http://www.canada.com/news/Mafia+millions+buoying+banks/1269889/story.html

Just a coincidence, that they're being bailed out through the front door, by the same government that protects their "back door/back alley" business?
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:50 PM
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16. Time to merge Exxon and AIG - if only for balance. n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:53 PM
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18. Do we get to keep Manchester United?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:08 PM
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24. only if they win...
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:02 PM
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21. So what was the point of the bailout again?
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ozu Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:06 PM
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23. A 3 trillion dollar Band-Aid
TARP, the stimulus package, more backstopping of failed industries.

I'm now convinced that collapse is inevitable and this is merely a prelude to a Mad Max existence.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:20 PM
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40. Cool! I get to drive the truck with the machine gun mounted to it!
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:19 PM
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52. "There will be too much violence"!!!
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:09 PM
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25. Calling the "Thank GAWD it Passed!" chorus! nt
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:16 PM
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27. I dont think AIG got any tarp funds?!
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:21 PM
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30. Yeah they did.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:22 PM
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31. Only $40B worth of TARP went to AIG
(...)

Under the revised rescue plan, the U.S. government is expected to buy $40 billion of AIG preferred shares through Treasury's Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) and greatly ease lending terms, sources said.

(...)

It later offered additional financing to bring the support extended to AIG up to $123 billion.

(...)

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2008/11/09/afx5669858.html

The total is now $153B ( http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081111/BUSINESS/811119981/0/Business ) which does not include the emergency loan from the daughter companies prior to collapse which was something like $10B however that story is buried very deep.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:17 PM
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38. and your solution is what?
permanent financial collapse?

i.e., no solution

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:45 PM
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45. Trillions in taxpayers monies to private equity, no strings attached!
What? That didn't work? Then I'm fresh out of ideas. Just like the "Thank god it passed!" guys. :hi:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:16 PM
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26. The company needs to be broken up and pieces sold
I interviewed at AIG a few years back and I learned that there were literally thousands of different entitities under the AIG umbrella spread out through different industries and in virtually every country in the world... it was way too complex for mere mortals to understand and the accounting/finance staff there worked as many hours as humanly possible. I got the impression that an 80-90 hour workweek would be considered a vacation.
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:19 PM
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29. Ideally, yes. We should have down that to begin with.
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:19 PM
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28. What do we do? I don't know about you, but I'm going to change my pants after reading that. nt
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:31 PM
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32. Please indulge me in making an utterly stupid, reckless & uninformed comment:
Why can't we just kill these monsters off, burn them up, raze their castles, sow salt in their fields, and start over with a new system?

(/utterly stupid, reckless & uninformed comment)

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:53 PM
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34. Because there will be ARMAGEDDON if we don't funnel $40 Billion (more?) to AIG
in the middle of the night!

:sarcasm:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:21 PM
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41. How will we be able to tell the difference?
:P
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:04 PM
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35. AIG seeking more U.S. funding, sources say - msnbc
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29353489/

American International Group Inc. is in discussions with the government about securing additional funds so it can keep operating after next Monday when it will report the largest loss in U.S. corporate history, sources told CNBC Monday.

CNBC's David Faber said sources close to the company told him the loss will be near $60 billion due to writedowns on a variety of assets including commercial real estate.

He said that massive loss is likely to spur downgrades in the firm's insurance and credit ratings that will force AIG to raise collateral it does not have. Faber added that if AIG's book value falls below a certain level, it will trigger default in some of its debt instruments, according to people familiar with the situation.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:12 PM
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36. Let them file for bankruptcy. No more taxpayer money for them. rec'd
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:14 PM
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37. Well. THANK GOD IT PASSED!
:evilgrin: At least that is what AIG thinks. :silly:
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:17 PM
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39. I am not surprised
Where are the bailout cheerleaders?

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:26 PM
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42. More taxpayer money??? K&R n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:45 PM
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46. It's auction time. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:57 PM
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49. ...but not force it out of business . . . ???!!!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:58 PM
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50. Capitalism is a cesspool of corruption and criminal activity . . . let it die!!
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 07:48 PM by defendandprotect
AND . . . let's get rid of the parties and Congress people who LET THEM

DO all of this!!!

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:20 PM
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53. fail, motherfucker
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