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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:28 AM
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Is there a law to oblige US citizens to pay income taxes?
Just watched Aaron Russo's "From Freedom to Fascism".
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=%22Freedom+to+Fascism%22
Excuse my ignorance but watching the film I really like to know if the basic claim of the film is correct:
Is there or isn't there a law obliging the US citizen to pay income tax
No intention to start a huge debate just to verify the facts.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:36 AM
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1. Given Congress pased the IRS law
way back then, yep... it was even signed into law
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:41 AM
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2. In the film
no lawyer nor the IRS managed to come up with presenting any law in written form. In fact even in some recent cases people refusing to pay income taxes haven't been found guilty.
Can you link to the law on the net or indicate me a book where I can find it?
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:45 AM
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3. (maybe it's just folklore--passed down from one generation to the next)


yeah, sure. wouldn't that be nice! folklore!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:45 AM
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4. Here you go
Edited on Tue Mar-27-07 02:50 AM by nadinbrzezinski
google is your friend

http://www.loc.gov/rr/business/hottopic/irs_history.html

16th Ammendment... it was passed by Congress and RATIFIED by the states

Oh and I will add here, since 1913, it has been modified several times by the US Congress, as in simplified, with the last of these efforts happening in 1998

Taxation is not the road to fascism... now the marriage of the state and the corporations is the CLASSIC defintion of fascism
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:54 AM
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6. Supreme Court ruling
The film quotes an expert saying that the supreme court ruling states clearly that the 16th amendement gave no new power of taxation (after 24' 30'' into the film). Btw the film does in no way imply taxes have any link to Fascism.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:01 AM
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9. That film is made by a gruop
on the fringe right, that is agaisnt taxes, they are mostly libertarian

So watch it... there is plenty of case law and laws to contradict their case, not that you'd expect them to show it to you

As I said, google is your friend
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:14 AM
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13. Fringe right
Sorry, watching the film I have a real hard time to share your accusations.
Did you watch the film or what exactly do you base your accusations on.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 07:02 AM
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19. no one has ever been found not quilty - and of late all got prison time - the link
would be to a list of laws - but perhaps your movie missed the basics - so see below:

n 1913, the Sixteenth Amendment (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxvi.html) to the U.S. Constitution was ratified. It empowered Congress to tax "incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." The Internal Revenue Code is today embodied as Title 26 of the United States Code ( 26 U.S.C.) and is a lineal descendant of the income tax act passed in 1913, following ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment. While some states do not have an income tax (Nevada), all residents and all citizens of the United States are subject to the federal income tax. Not everyone, however, must file a return. The requirements for filing are found in 26 U.S.C. § 6011. As the largest contributor, its purpose is to generate revenue for the federal budget. In 1985 for example, the government collected over $450 billion in income tax from a total of $742 billion in total internal revenue receipts. The funds collected are essential for the shaping and preservation of a free market economy.

Some terms are essential in understanding income tax law. "Gross income" can be generaly defined as "all income from whatever source derived;" a more complete definition is found in 26 U.S.C. § 61. Other important definitions like "taxable income" and "adjusted gross income" can also be found in Chapter I of Title 26. These terms are not fixed nor should anyone be confident in understanding their true meaning after a cursory reading because their imputed definitions change with time. The Supreme Court, through case law, demonstrates the changing meaning of taxable income.

Individuals are not the only ones required to file income tax returns. Corporations do as well. While they are subject to may of the same rules as are individual taxpayers, they are also covered by an intricate body of rules addressed to the peculiar problems of corporations.
menu sources
federal material
U.S. Constitution

* Article I, Section 8 - Congressional Power to Tax (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section8)
* 16th Amendment (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxvi.html)
* CRS Annotated Constitution:
o Fourteenth Amendment: Individual Income Tax (http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/search/display.html?terms=income%20tax&url=/anncon/html/amdt14cfrag5_user.html)
o Sixteenth Amendment: Income Tax (http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/search/display.html?terms=income%20tax&url=/anncon/html/amdt16_user.html)

Federal Statutes

* U.S. Code: 26 U.S.C. - Internal Revenue Code

Federal Regulations

* Title 26 C.F.R. (http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/26cfr.htm)

Federal Judicial Decisions

* U.S. Supreme Court:
o Historic Tax Decisions (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/search/index.html?query=(income+and+tax)+or+irs&scope=onlyhistoric)
o Recent Income Tax Decisions (http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/search/index.html?query=(income+and+tax)+or+irs)
* U.S. Circuit Courts of Appeals: Recent Income Tax Cases (http://www.law.cornell.edu/usca/search/index.html?query=(income+and+tax)+or+irs)
* U.S. Tax Court: Decisions (http://www.ustaxcourt.gov/UstcInOp/asp/HistoricOptions.asp) (Jan. 1999 - present)

State Material
State Statutes

* Uniform Division of Income for Tax Purposes Act (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uniform/vol7%2ehtml#inctx)(adopted in Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, and Washington)
* State Statutes Dealing with Taxation (http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/state_statutes.html#tax)

State Judicial Decisions

* N.Y. Court of Appeals:
o Recent Income Tax Cases (http://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/search/index.html?query=income+and+tax+not+liibulletin)
o Commentary from liibulletin-ny (http://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/search/index.html?query=liibulletin+and+income+and+tax)
* Appellate Decisions from Other States (http://www.law.cornell.edu/states/)

Other References
Key Internet Sources

* Federal Agency: Internal Revenue Service (http://www.irs.gov/)
* Income Tax Websites (http://www.taxsites.com/)
* "The Tax Prophet" (http://www.taxprophet.com/)
* Tax and Related Links (Harter,Secrest & Emery) (http://www.hsetax.com/)
* Federation of Tax Administrators (http://www.taxadmin.org/)

Useful Offnet (or Subscription - $) Sources

* Good Starting Point in Print: Posin and Tobin's Principles of Federal Income Taxation Law, The Concise Hornbook Series, 7th ed. (http://west.thomson.com/product/14552113/product.asp), West Group (2005)

Other Topics

Category:Taxation

Retrieved from "http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index.php/Income_tax"
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:46 AM
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5. There is no magic bullet clause that explicitly states payment of income taxes.
Edited on Tue Mar-27-07 02:47 AM by Selatius
However, the requirement to pay income tax is implied with the 16th Amendment's granting of power to levy an income tax:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
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RogueBandit Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:58 AM
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8. they say it was not fully ratified
The brief reading I've done on line about those claims is that it was not fully ratified. The amendment needed some number of states to vote to ratify and while the IRS would say it was ratified there is no proof the necessary states ratified. I think that is what stumped the courts, but I'm no expert and I intend to pay my taxes 'cause I picks me fights and freedom of speech comes before money in my book (been losing some of that if you haven't noticed).
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:14 AM
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12. That's exactly what they say in the film, too.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 07:08 AM
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21. Ratification (by the requisite thirty-six states) was completed on February 3, 1913- 42 "yes"states
Sixteenth Amendment) of the United States Constitution, authorizing income taxes in their present form, was ratified on February 3, 1913.
Contents

* 1 Text
* 2 Background
* 3 Treatment of income taxes prior to the Pollock case
* 4 The Pollock case
* 5 Ratification process
* 6 Interpretation
o 6.1 Early decisions
o 6.2 Modern interpretation
o 6.3 Recent rulings
* 7 Tax protester arguments regarding ratification
* 8 Notes
* 9 External links

Text
“ The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. ”

Background

The U.S. Constitution provides (in part):

The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises < . . . > but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States < . . . ><1>

The Constitution also provides (in part):

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers < . . . . ><2>

The Constitution further provides:

No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.<3>

The power to impose taxes (whether deemed direct or indirect taxes) is granted by Article I, section 8, clause 1. Indirect taxes (or "excises," in the parlance of the text of the Constitution) are required to be geographically uniform, according to Article I, section 8, clause 1 and the court decisions interpreting that provision (see Knowlton v. Moore<4> and Flint v. Stone Tracy Co.<5>).

Article I, section 2, clause 3 and Article I, section 9, clause 4 of the Constitution states that all direct taxes are required to be apportioned among the state's population. This essentially means that the dollar amount of direct taxes imposed on the taxpayers in any given state is required to bear a relationship to the total dollar amount of direct taxes imposed in the entire nation that is equal to the ratio of that state's population to the total population of the nation.

Treatment of income taxes prior to the Pollock case

Prior to the 1895 U.S. Supreme Court decision in the case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co.,<6> all income taxes had been considered to be excises (indirect taxes) required to be imposed with geographical uniformity.

The Wilson-Gorman Tariff Act of 1894 attempted to impose a federal tax of 2% on incomes over $3,000. Derided by its opponents as "communistic," it was challenged in federal court. Until that time, direct taxes had been deemed to include only capitations, or poll taxes (taxes directly on persons) and taxes imposed on property by reason of its ownership (generally, ordinary ad valorem property taxes). Until 1895, all income taxes -- regardless of the sources of the incomes -- had been considered indirect taxes ("excises").<7>

The Pollock case

In the case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. the Supreme Court declared that certain income taxes -- taxes on income from property under the 1894 Act -- to be unconstitutional unapportioned direct taxes. The Court reasoned that a tax on income from property should be treated as a tax on "property by reason of its ownership," and should therefore be required to be apportioned. The reasoning was that taxes on the rents from land, the dividends from stocks and so on burdened the property generating the income in the same way that a tax on "property by reason of its ownership" burdened that property.

This meant that, after Pollock, while income taxes on income from labor (as indirect taxes) were still not required to be apportioned by population, taxes on interest, dividends and rent income were required to be apportioned by population. The Pollock ruling made the source of the income (e.g., property versus labor, etc.) relevant in determining whether the tax imposed on that income was deemed to be "direct" (and thus required to be apportioned among the states according to population) or, alternatively, "indirect" (and thus required only to be imposed with geographical uniformity).

During this period from 1895 to 1913 when the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified, while Congress could have re-imposed taxes on income from labor and other non-property sources without apportionment by population, imposing taxes on interest, dividends and rent income would not have been practical (as the income from property in each state would virtually never correspond to the population of that state in relation to the population of the entire nation). The Congress was unwilling to impose an income tax on labor and other non-property sources without also imposing a tax on income from property -- and taxes on income from property were no longer realistic. The Pollock ruling made imposition of an income tax politically unfeasible from 1895 until the ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment. At the same time, Congress was reflecting the growing concern among many elements of society that the wealthiest Americans had consolidated too much economic power.

Ratification process

In response to these developments, the Sixteenth Amendment was passed by the Sixty-first Congress and submitted to legislatures of the several states on July 12, 1909. The amendment was the crowning feature of a larger trend of legislative action meant to curb the power of the wealthy. The famous Pujo Committee Hearings, which aired the incestuous relationship between banks and corporate interests, were held during ratification, and the Clayton Antitrust Act was enacted shortly thereafter.

On February 25, 1913, the Republican Secretary of State Philander Knox proclaimed that the amendment had been ratified by the necessary three-quarters of the states ensuring the constitutionality of unapportioned federal income taxes.

According to the United States Government Printing Office, the following states ratified the amendment<1>:

1. Alabama (August 10, 1909)
2. Kentucky (February 8, 1910)
3. South Carolina (February 19, 1910)
4. Illinois (March 1, 1910)
5. Mississippi (March 7, 1910)
6. Oklahoma (March 10, 1910)
7. Maryland (April 8, 1910)
8. Georgia (August 3, 1910)
9. Texas (August 16, 1910)
10. Ohio (January 19, 1911)
11. Idaho (January 20, 1911)
12. Oregon (January 23, 1911)
13. Washington (January 26, 1911)
14. Montana (January 27, 1911)
15. Indiana (January 30, 1911)
16. California (January 31, 1911)
17. Nevada (January 31, 1911)
18. South Dakota (February 1, 1911)
19. Nebraska (February 9, 1911)
20. North Carolina (February 11, 1911)
21. Colorado (February 15, 1911)
22. North Dakota (February 17, 1911)
23. Michigan (February 23, 1911)
24. Iowa (February 24, 1911)
25. Kansas (March 2, 1911)
26. Missouri (March 16, 1911)
27. Maine (March 31, 1911)
28. Tennessee (April 7, 1911)
29. Arkansas (April 22, 1911, after having previously rejected the amendment)
30. Wisconsin (May 16, 1911)
31. New York (July 12, 1911)
32. Arizona (April 3, 1912)
33. Minnesota (June 11, 1912)
34. Louisiana (June 28, 1912)
35. West Virginia (January 31, 1913)
36. New Mexico (February 3, 1913)

Ratification (by the requisite thirty-six states) was completed on February 3, 1913 with the ratification by New Mexico (but see Delaware and Wyoming below). The amendment was subsequently ratified by the following states, bringing the total number of ratifying states to forty-two:

37. Delaware (February 3, 1913)
38. Wyoming (February 3, 1913)
39. New Jersey (February 4, 1913)
40. Vermont (February 19, 1913)
41. Massachusetts (March 4, 1913)
42. New Hampshire (March 7, 1913, after rejecting the amendment on March 2, 1911)

The following states rejected the amendment without ever subsequently ratifying it:

1. Connecticut
2. Rhode Island
3. Utah

Interpretation

The Amendment -- which overrules the effect of Pollock -- essentially means that when imposing an income tax, the Congress may impose the tax on income from any source without having to apportion the total dollar amount of tax collected from each state according to each state's population in relation to the total national population.

The Supreme Court's interpretation of the Sixteenth Amendment has changed considerably over time and there have been many disputes about the applicability of the amendment.

Early decisions

In Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad,<8> the Supreme Court ruled that (1) the Sixteenth Amendment removes the Pollock requirement that certain income taxes be apportioned among the states according to population; (2) the Federal income tax statute does not violate the Fifth Amendment's prohibition against the government taking property without due process of law; (3) the Federal income tax statute does not violate the uniformity clause of Article I, section 8 of the U.S. Constitution (relating to the requirement that excises, also known as indirect taxes, be imposed with geographical uniformity).

In the Supreme Court case of Bowers v. Kerbaugh-Empire Co.,<9> Mr. Justice Butler stated:

It was not the purpose or the effect of that amendment to bring any new subject within the taxing power. Congress already had the power to tax all incomes. But taxes on incomes from some sources had been held to be "direct taxes" within the meaning of the constitutional requirement as to apportionment. The Amendment relieved from that requirement and obliterated the distinction in that respect between taxes on income that are direct taxes and those that are not, and so put on the same basis all incomes "from whatever source derived". "Income" has been taken to mean the same thing as used in the Corporation Excise Tax of 1909 (36 Stat. 112), in the Sixteenth Amendment, and in the various revenue acts subsequently passed. After full consideration, this court declared that income may be defined as gain derived from capital, from labor, or from both combined, including profit gained through sale or conversion of capital.

Although the Sixteenth Amendment is often cited as the "source" of the Congressional power to tax incomes, at least one court has reiterated the point made in Brushaber and other cases that the Sixteenth Amendment itself did not grant the U.S. Congress the power to tax incomes (a power Congress has had since the late 1700s), but only removed the requirement, if any, that any income tax be apportioned among the states according to population:

In dealing with the scope of the taxing power the question has sometimes been framed in terms of whether something can be taxed as income under the Sixteenth Amendment. This is an inaccurate formulation < . . . > and has led to much loose thinking on the subject. The source of the taxing power is not the Sixteenth Amendment; it is Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution.<10>

John R. Luckey, legislative attorney for the American Law Division of the Congressional Research Service writes on page four of "FAQ Concerning The Federal Income Tax" that "the Court found that the Sixteenth Amendment sought to restrain the Court from viewing an income tax, because of its close effect on the underlying property as a direct tax."

Modern interpretation

In Commissioner v. Glenshaw Glass Co.,<11> the Supreme Court laid out what has become the modern understanding of what constitutes 'income' to which the Sixteenth Amendment applies, declaring that income taxes could be levied on "accessions to wealth, clearly realized, and over which the taxpayers have complete dominion." Under this definition, any increase in wealth—whether through wages, benefits, bonuses, sale of stock or other property at a profit, bets won, lucky finds, awards of punitive damages in a lawsuit, qui tam actions—are all within the definition of income, unless Congress makes a specific exemption as it has for items such as life insurance proceeds received by reason of the death of the insured party,<12> gifts, bequests, devises and inheritances,<13> and certain scholarships.<14>

Recent rulings

On December 22, 2006, the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit vacated its own August 2006 ruling in Murphy v. Internal Revenue Service and United States.<15> In its original August 2006 decision, the Court had ruled that 26 U.S.C. § 104(a)(2) was unconstitutional under the Sixteenth Amendment to the extent that the statute purported to tax, as income, a recovery for a non-physical personal injury for mental distress and loss of reputation not received in lieu of taxable income such as lost wages or earnings.

The Murphy ruling had been mandatory precedent only in the District of Columbia. The December 2006 order vacating the Court's own prior judgment also included a scheduling for a rehearing for April 23, 2007.

Tax protester arguments regarding ratification

The article Tax protester constitutional arguments covers this topic in considerably more detail, including details on the specific arguments made against ratification.

Some tax protesters, conspiracy investigators, and others opposed to income taxes cite what they contend is evidence that the Sixteenth Amendment was never "properly ratified." One such argument is that because the legislatures of various states passed resolutions of ratification with different capitalization, spelling of words, or punctuation marks (e.g. semi-colons instead of commas) from the text proposed by Congress, those states' ratifications were invalid. A related argument is that various states illegally violated procedural requirements of their constitutions when passing their ratification resolutions. Another argument made by some tax protesters regards Ohio, one of the states listed as ratifying the amendment. They contend that because Congress did not pass an official proclamation recognizing Ohio's date of admission (1803) to statehood until 1953 (see Ohio Constitution), Ohio was not a state until 1953 (and, therefore, could not have ratified the Sixteenth Amendment). These and similar arguments have been universally rejected by the courts.

Notes

1. ^ U.S. Const., art. I, § 8, cl. 1.
2. ^ U.S. Const., art. I, § 2, cl. 3.
3. ^ U.S. Const., art. I, § 9, cl. 4.
4. ^ 178 U.S. 41 (1900).
5. ^ 220 U.S. 107 (1911).
6. ^ 157 U.S. 429 (1895), aff'd on reh'g, 158 U.S. 601 (1895).
7. ^ Quoting the United States Supreme Court: "Again the situation is aptly illustrated by the various acts taxing incomes derived from property of every kind and nature which were enacted beginning in 1861, and lasting during what may be termed the Civil War period. It is not disputable that these latter taxing laws were classed under the head of excises, duties, and imposts because it was assumed that they were of that character inasmuch as, although putting a tax burden on income of every kind, including that derived from property real or personal, they were not taxes directly on property because of its ownership.” Brushaber v. Union Pac. Railroad, 240 U.S. 1, at 15 (1916) (italics added).
8. ^ 240 U.S. 1 (1916).
9. ^ 271 U.S. 170 (1926).
10. ^ Penn Mutual Indemnity Co. v. Commissioner, 32 T.C. 653 at 659 (1959), aff'd, 277 F.2d 16, 60-1 U.S. Tax Cas. (CCH) paragr. 9389 (3d Cir. 1960).
11. ^ 348 U.S. 426 (1955).
12. ^ 26 U.S.C. § 101.
13. ^ 26 U.S.C. § 102.
14. ^ 26 U.S.C. § 117.
15. ^ 460 F.3d 79, 2006-2 U.S. Tax Cas. (CCH) paragr. 50,476, 2006 WL 2411372 (D.C. Cir. Aug. 22, 2006). In an unrelated matter, the Court had also granted the government's motion to dismiss Murphy's suit against the defendant "Internal Revenue Service." Under the doctrine of Sovereign immunity the rule is that a taxpayer may sue The United States of America itself, not a government agency, officer, or employee (with few exceptions). The Court had stated: "Insofar as the Congress has waived sovereign immunity with respect to suits for tax refunds under 28 U.S.C. § 1346(a)(1), that provision specifically contemplates only actions against the 'United States.' Therefore, we hold the IRS, unlike the United States, may not be sued eo nomine in this case." One exception to this rule is found in the United States Tax Court where the taxpayer sues the Commissioner of Internal Revenue (Murphy v. United States).

External links

* National Archives: 16th Amendment
* CRS Annotated Constitution: 16th Amendment
* Emory University School of Law website lists proposal and ratification details for amendments to the United States Constitution
* Brushaber Decision Supreme Court opinion on the apportionment clause of the Constitution.
* Stanton Decision no new power of taxation
* The proposed Liberty Amendment - including a proposal to eliminate personal income taxes
* Tax protester arguments & refutations:
o IRS pamphlet: The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments
o "The Law That Never Was" — Bill Benson's website disputing its ratification
o Frauds and Scams site describing failure of Benson-inspired arguments in court
o What Is Taxable Income?
o Tax Protester FAQ Daniel Evans' extensive FAQ refuting tax protester arguments
o 16th Amendment Intent and Purpose
o America: Freedom to Fascism (Full Length Movie)
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:57 AM
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7. Trailer
Here's the trailer:
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=1616088001333580937&q=%22Freedom+to+Fascism%22
Especially interesting in the film is the encounter between Aaron Russo and a former IRS counsellor who wrote the tax code.
(30' 10'' into the film)
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:07 AM
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10. It's a VERY risky ploy
There was a big-name "tax rebel" in my area (north of Philly) in the late 70s, even before Irwin Schiff was well-known, a guy named Bob Graham. He was basically a decent guy, a tax accountant, investment expert, and Libertarian, but he had a major anti-tax animus. He taught seminars, denounced taxation every time he found himself before a microphone ... and ended up doing about five years. He died shortly after his release.

He claimed he simply messed up, but most people have far less financial acumen that Graham had. I'd say it's possible, but highly risky. What I faulted Graham for -- and Schiff, and Russo -- is that they prey on people's anger at the government and use them as cannon fodder in their political battles.

Most laws are written to be ambiguous. It's part of the adversarial nature of the legal system -- the idea that everything must be argued. But in situations where punishment is common for infractions, the best advice is to comply with the well-groomed gentlemen with the badges and firearms.

--p!
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WorldResident Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:10 AM
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11. I bet a lot of Republics would try this manuver
They amended the Constitution a long time ago, so hint, pay your fair share of taxes.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 06:48 AM
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18. nutjob website
Here's an interesting tidbit from the website cited:

If not an organization within the U.S. Department of the Treasury, then what exactly is the IRS?

Answer: The IRS appears to be a collection agency working for foreign banks and operating out of Puerto Rico under color of the Federal Alcohol Administration (“FAA”). But the FAA was promptly declared unconstitutional inside the 50 States by the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of U.S. v. Constantine, 296 U.S. 287 (1935), because Prohibition had already been repealed.


And the IRS is an arm of the Treasury Department, as is clear from any number of provisions of law including: 26 USC Sec 7803
(a) Commissioner of Internal Revenue
(1) Appointment
(A) In general
There shall be in the Department of the Treasury a Commissioner of Internal Revenue who shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to a 5-year term. Such appointment shall be made from individuals who, among other qualifications, have a demonstrated ability in management
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 07:17 AM
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22. TRUE - a quick search found hundreds of laws - and even 2 "IRS" mentions
US CODE: TITLE 31,1324. REFUND OF INTERNAL REVENUE COLLECTIONS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE II - THE BUDGET PROCESS/CHAPTER 13 - APPROPRIATIONS/SUBCHAPTER II - TRUST FUNDS AND REFUNDS
902 US CODE: TITLE 31,713. AUDIT OF INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, TAX AND TRADE BUREAU, AND BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE I - GENERAL/CHAPTER 7 - GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE/SUBCHAPTER II - GENERAL DUTIES AND POWERS
879 US CODE: TITLE 31,1324. REFUND OF INTERNAL REVENUE COLLECTIONS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE II - THE BUDGET PROCESS/CHAPTER 13 - APPROPRIATIONS/SUBCHAPTER II - TRUST FUNDS AND REFUNDS
799 US CODE: TITLE 31,713. AUDIT OF INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, TAX AND TRADE BUREAU, AND BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE I - GENERAL/CHAPTER 7 - GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE/SUBCHAPTER II - GENERAL DUTIES AND POWERS
668 US CODE: TITLE 31,9703.1 DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY FORFEITURE FUND
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE VI - MISCELLANEOUS/CHAPTER 97 - MISCELLANEOUS
648 US CODE: TITLE 31,3701. DEFINITIONS AND APPLICATION
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER I - GENERAL
598 US CODE: TITLE 31,3720A. REDUCTION OF TAX REFUND BY AMOUNT OF DEBT
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER II - CLAIMS OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
535 US CODE: TITLE 31,3109. TAX AND LOSS BONDS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER I - BORROWING AUTHORITY
535 US CODE: TITLE 31,3801. DEFINITIONS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 38 - ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDIES FOR FALSE CLAIMS AND STATEMENTS
535 US CODE: TITLE 31,3124. EXEMPTION FROM TAXATION
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER II - ADMINISTRATIVE
535 US CODE: TITLE 31,330. PRACTICE BEFORE THE DEPARTMENT
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE I - GENERAL/CHAPTER 3 - DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY/SUBCHAPTER II - ADMINISTRATIVE
515 US CODE: TITLE 31,501. OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE I - GENERAL/CHAPTER 5 - OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET/SUBCHAPTER I - ORGANIZATION
498 US CODE: TITLE 31,9703.1 DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY FORFEITURE FUND
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE VI - MISCELLANEOUS/CHAPTER 97 - MISCELLANEOUS
461 US CODE: TITLE 31,7701. TAXPAYER IDENTIFYING NUMBER
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE V - GENERAL ASSISTANCE ADMINISTRATION/CHAPTER 77 - ACCESS TO INFORMATION FOR DEBT COLLECTION
461 US CODE: TITLE 31,719. COMPTROLLER GENERAL REPORTS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE I - GENERAL/CHAPTER 7 - GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE/SUBCHAPTER II - GENERAL DUTIES AND POWERS
461 US CODE: TITLE 31,5111. MINTING AND ISSUING COINS, MEDALS, AND NUMISMATIC ITEMS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE IV - MONEY/CHAPTER 51 - COINS AND CURRENCY/SUBCHAPTER II - GENERAL AUTHORITY
461 US CODE: TITLE 31,3121. PROCEDURE
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER II - ADMINISTRATIVE
414 US CODE: TITLE 31,321. GENERAL AUTHORITY OF THE SECRETARY
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE I - GENERAL/CHAPTER 3 - DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY/SUBCHAPTER II - ADMINISTRATIVE
411 US CODE: TITLE 31,3101. PUBLIC DEBT LIMIT
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER I - BORROWING AUTHORITY
381 US CODE: TITLE 31,1113. CONGRESSIONAL INFORMATION
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE II - THE BUDGET PROCESS/CHAPTER 11 - THE BUDGET AND FISCAL, BUDGET, AND PROGRAM INFORMATION
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3711. COLLECTION AND COMPROMISE
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER II - CLAIMS OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3720B. BARRING DELINQUENT FEDERAL DEBTORS FROM OBTAINING FEDERAL LOANS OR LOAN INSURANCE GUARANTEES
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER II - CLAIMS OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3716. ADMINISTRATIVE OFFSET
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER II - CLAIMS OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,330. PRACTICE BEFORE THE DEPARTMENT
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE I - GENERAL/CHAPTER 3 - DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY/SUBCHAPTER II - ADMINISTRATIVE
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3720A. REDUCTION OF TAX REFUND BY AMOUNT OF DEBT
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER II - CLAIMS OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3521. AUDITS BY AGENCIES
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 35 - ACCOUNTING AND COLLECTION/SUBCHAPTER III - AUDITING AND SETTLING ACCOUNTS
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,7701. TAXPAYER IDENTIFYING NUMBER
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE V - GENERAL ASSISTANCE ADMINISTRATION/CHAPTER 77 - ACCESS TO INFORMATION FOR DEBT COLLECTION
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3105. SAVINGS BONDS AND SAVINGS CERTIFICATES
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER I - BORROWING AUTHORITY
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3718. CONTRACTS FOR COLLECTION SERVICES
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER II - CLAIMS OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3701. DEFINITIONS AND APPLICATION
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER I - GENERAL
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3711. COLLECTION AND COMPROMISE
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER II - CLAIMS OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3801. DEFINITIONS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 38 - ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDIES FOR FALSE CLAIMS AND STATEMENTS
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3107. INCREASING INTEREST RATES AND INVESTMENT YIELDS ON RETIREMENT BONDS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER I - BORROWING AUTHORITY
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3105. SAVINGS BONDS AND SAVINGS CERTIFICATES
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER I - BORROWING AUTHORITY
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,5311. DECLARATION OF PURPOSE
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE IV - MONEY/CHAPTER 53 - MONETARY TRANSACTIONS/SUBCHAPTER II - RECORDS AND REPORTS ON MONETARY INSTRUMENTS TRANSACTIONS
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3332. REQUIRED DIRECT DEPOSIT
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 33 - DEPOSITING, KEEPING, AND PAYING MONEY/SUBCHAPTER II - PAYMENTS
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3109. TAX AND LOSS BONDS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER I - BORROWING AUTHORITY
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3106. RETIREMENT AND SAVINGS BONDS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER I - BORROWING AUTHORITY
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,9502. DEFINITIONS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE VI - MISCELLANEOUS/CHAPTER 95 - GOVERNMENT PENSION PLAN PROTECTION
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,1309. SOCIAL SECURITY TAX
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE II - THE BUDGET PROCESS/CHAPTER 13 - APPROPRIATIONS/SUBCHAPTER I - GENERAL
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,1321. TRUST FUNDS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE II - THE BUDGET PROCESS/CHAPTER 13 - APPROPRIATIONS/SUBCHAPTER II - TRUST FUNDS AND REFUNDS
364 US CODE: TITLE 31,3729. FALSE CLAIMS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER III - CLAIMS AGAINST THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
297 US CODE: TITLE 31,5134. NUMISMATIC PUBLIC ENTERPRISE FUND
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE IV - MONEY/CHAPTER 51 - COINS AND CURRENCY/SUBCHAPTER III - UNITED STATES MINT
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,3124. EXEMPTION FROM TAXATION
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER II - ADMINISTRATIVE
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,3718. CONTRACTS FOR COLLECTION SERVICES
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER II - CLAIMS OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,3716. ADMINISTRATIVE OFFSET
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER II - CLAIMS OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,CHAPTER 7 GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE I - GENERAL
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,301. DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE I - GENERAL/CHAPTER 3 - DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY/SUBCHAPTER I - ORGANIZATION
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,6202. CONTENT, FORM, AND DATA FOR REPORT
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE V - GENERAL ASSISTANCE ADMINISTRATION/CHAPTER 62 - CONSOLIDATED FEDERAL FUNDS REPORT
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,3322. DISBURSING OFFICIALS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 33 - DEPOSITING, KEEPING, AND PAYING MONEY/SUBCHAPTER II - PAYMENTS
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,CHAPTER 13 APPROPRIATIONS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE II - THE BUDGET PROCESS
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,5330. REGISTRATION OF MONEY TRANSMITTING BUSINESSES
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE IV - MONEY/CHAPTER 53 - MONETARY TRANSACTIONS/SUBCHAPTER II - RECORDS AND REPORTS ON MONETARY INSTRUMENTS TRANSACTIONS
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,3101. PUBLIC DEBT LIMIT
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER I - BORROWING AUTHORITY
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,3729. FALSE CLAIMS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER III - CLAIMS AGAINST THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,3720B. BARRING DELINQUENT FEDERAL DEBTORS FROM OBTAINING FEDERAL LOANS OR LOAN INSURANCE GUARANTEES
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 37 - CLAIMS/SUBCHAPTER II - CLAIMS OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,SUBCHAPTER II TRUST FUNDS AND REFUNDS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE II - THE BUDGET PROCESS/CHAPTER 13 - APPROPRIATIONS
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,306. FISCAL SERVICE
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE I - GENERAL/CHAPTER 3 - DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY/SUBCHAPTER I - ORGANIZATION
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,1309. SOCIAL SECURITY TAX
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE II - THE BUDGET PROCESS/CHAPTER 13 - APPROPRIATIONS/SUBCHAPTER I - GENERAL
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,3107. INCREASING INTEREST RATES AND INVESTMENT YIELDS ON RETIREMENT BONDS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER I - BORROWING AUTHORITY
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,3332. REQUIRED DIRECT DEPOSIT
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 33 - DEPOSITING, KEEPING, AND PAYING MONEY/SUBCHAPTER II - PAYMENTS
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,3122. BANKS AND TRUST COMPANIES AS DEPOSITARIES
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER II - ADMINISTRATIVE
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,5111. MINTING AND ISSUING COINS, MEDALS, AND NUMISMATIC ITEMS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE IV - MONEY/CHAPTER 51 - COINS AND CURRENCY/SUBCHAPTER II - GENERAL AUTHORITY
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,9502. DEFINITIONS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE VI - MISCELLANEOUS/CHAPTER 95 - GOVERNMENT PENSION PLAN PROTECTION
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,321. GENERAL AUTHORITY OF THE SECRETARY
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE I - GENERAL/CHAPTER 3 - DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY/SUBCHAPTER II - ADMINISTRATIVE
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,3106. RETIREMENT AND SAVINGS BONDS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT/CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT/SUBCHAPTER I - BORROWING AUTHORITY
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,6704. STATE AREA ALLOCATIONS; ALLOCATIONS AND PAYMENTS TO TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENTS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE V - GENERAL ASSISTANCE ADMINISTRATION/CHAPTER 67 - FEDERAL PAYMENTS
230 US CODE: TITLE 31,SUBCHAPTER II GENERAL DUTIES AND POWERS
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE/SUBTITLE I - GENERAL/CHAPTER 7 - GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE






EVEN THE INITIALS "IRS" SHOW UP IN THE LAW:Source
(Pub. L. 97–258, Sept. 13, 1982, 96 Stat. 879; Pub. L. 108–458, title VII, § 7801, Dec. 17, 2004, 118 Stat. 3860.)

Historical and Revision Notes Revised Section Source (U.S. Code) Source (Statutes at Large)
306 5 App. Reorg. Plan No. 3 of 1940, eff. June 30, 1940, § 1(less (a)(7)(1st sentence), (d)), 54 Stat. 1231.
In subsection (a), the word “service” is substituted for “agency” in section 1 (a)(1)(words before last comma) of Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1940 (eff. June 30, 1940, 54 Stat. 1232) for consistency in the revised title. The words related to the organizational units being consolidated into the Fiscal Service are omitted as executed.
In subsection (b), the text of section 1 (a)(7)(2d sentence) of Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1940 is omitted because of the source provisions restated in section 301(d) of the revised title.
In subsection (c), the words “Office of the Fiscal Assistant Secretary” in section 1(a)(2) of Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1940 are omitted as unnecessary and for consistency in chapter 3 of the revised title. The words “the Office of the Treasurer of the United States” are omitted because this office is no longer in the Fiscal Service. See Department of the Treasury Order 229 of January 14, 1974 (39 F.R. 2280). The words “Bureau of Government Financial Operations” are substituted for “Bureau of Accounts” because of Treasury Order 229 and appropriation Acts beginning with fiscal year 1975. The text of section 1 (a)(2)(last sentence) is omitted as unnecessary because of section 301 of the revised title. The words “Commissioner of Government Financial Operations” are substituted for “Commissioner of Accounts and Deposits” in section 1(a)(3) of the Reorganization Plan because of Treasury Order 229 and appropriation Acts beginning with fiscal year 1975. The words before the last comma are omitted as executed. The words related to the organizational units, in section 1(a)(4) of the Reorganization Plan, that are being consolidated into the Bureau of the Public Debt are omitted as executed.
Subsection (d) is substituted for the text of section 1 (a)(7)(last sentence) of Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1940 for consistency in the revised title. The text of section 1 (a)(5) and (6), (b), and (c) is omitted as superseded by the source provisions restated in section 321 of the revised title.

References in Text

The Bureau of Government Financial Operations, referred to in subsec. (c)(1), is now known as the Financial Management Service and has as its head a Commissioner of the Financial Management Service.

Amendments

2004—Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 108–458 inserted “or employee” after “another officer”.

Reimbursement of Financial Management Service and Bureau of the Public Debt

Pub. L. 105–277, div. A, § 101(h) , Oct. 21, 1998, 112 Stat. 2681–480, 2681–486, provided in part: “That notwithstanding any other provisions of law, effective upon enactment and thereafter, the Bureau of the Public Debt shall be fully and directly reimbursed by the funds described in section 104 of Public Law 101–136 (103 Stat. 789) for costs and services performed by the Bureau in the administration of such funds.”
Similar provisions were contained in Pub. L. 105–61, title I, Oct. 10, 1997, 111 Stat. 1279.
Pub. L. 103–329, title I, § 105, Sept. 30, 1994, 108 Stat. 2390, provided that: “Notwithstanding any other provision of law, beginning in fiscal year 1995 and thereafter, the Financial Management Service (FMS) shall be reimbursed, for postage incurred by FMS to make check payments on their behalf, by: the Department of Veterans Affairs, for the mailing of Compensation and Pension benefit payments; the Department of Health and Human Services, for the mailing of Supplemental Security Income payments; and the Office of Personnel Management, for the mailing of Retirement payments. Such reimbursement shall be due beginning with checks mailed on October 1, 1994, and such reimbursement shall occur on a monthly basis.”
Pub. L. 102–393, title I, § 105, Oct. 6, 1992, 106 Stat. 1737, provided that: “Notwithstanding any other provision of law, beginning October 1, 1992, and thereafter, the Financial Management Service (FMS) shall be reimbursed by

the Internal Revenue Service (IRS)


and the Department of Agriculture, National Finance Center (NFC), for the postage costs the FMS incurs to make check payments on behalf of the


IRS

and the NFC.”
Pub. L. 101–136, title I, § 104, Nov. 3, 1989, 103 Stat. 789, provided that: “Notwithstanding any other provision of law, beginning October 1, 1990, and thereafter, the Financial Management Service shall be fully and directly reimbursed from the Social Security Trust Funds for the costs it incurs in the issuance of Social Security Trust Funds benefit payments, including all physical costs associated with payment preparation and postage costs. Such direct reimbursement shall also be made for all other trust and special funds which are the recipients of services performed by the Financial Management Service and which prior to enactment of this provision reimburse the General Fund of the Treasury for such services.”
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 06:26 AM
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15. Tax Courts have held
that filing a claim for a refund, or failure to file using these types of arguments to be frivolous. And subject the individual to an immediate $25,000 penalty for filing a frivolous law suit.


http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=106375,00.html
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 06:40 AM
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16. statutory requirement: 26 USC Sec. 7203
§7203. Willful failure to file return, supply information, or
pay tax

Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or
tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority
thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information,
who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such
return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or
times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other
penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon
conviction thereof, shall be fined* not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in
the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or
both, together with the costs of prosecution. In the case of any
person with respect to whom there is a failure to pay any estimated
tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to such
failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with
respect to such failure. In the case of a willful violation of any
provision of section 6050I, the first sentence of this section shall
be applied by substituting "felony" for "misdemeanor" and "5 years"
for "1 year."


And the argument that the 16th amendment wasn't properly ratified has been uniformly rejected by the federal courts.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 06:41 AM
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17. The income tax is a good and fair tax. It should stay. Now there are other taxes that aren't and
Edited on Tue Mar-27-07 06:41 AM by w4rma
should be reduced or eliminated.

Sales tax, Payroll tax (this one should be applied to incomes over 85K and income from capital gains).
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 07:03 AM
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20. Just try not paying and..
...see what happens. This nonsense is really tired.
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