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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:32 AM
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Poll question: If you had to pick one country to believe?
No other choices, pick one. Or shit on me in the replies, LOL. Show some conviction.
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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:34 AM
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1. The Brits
I choose you UK.........
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:37 AM
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3. I agree
And I'm not afraid to say so.
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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:59 AM
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6. Well I have preconceived biases against Iran
it deals with my time in Iraq and something that happened over there, I really don't want to comment on it........
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:36 AM
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2. I can't choose...
..really. I don't trust any of them anymore...
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:39 AM
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4. Then why did you answer?
This poll was either/or. If your life depended on it, who is lying and who is telling the truth?
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 05:20 AM
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33. But you DID leave the door open....
to, "shit on me in the replies". :shrug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:51 AM
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5. UK
The warmongering is dead wrong - but the Iranian President has no good intentions and there's no reason in the world to trust him.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:59 AM
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7. Let's see. Iran, a country that hangs teenagers because they're
gay, or the United Kingdom (a country, which by the way allows gay people to serve in the military.)

Iran or the UK, Iran or the UK?

Gee, I guess I'll go with the civilized country.

Probably a tad bit more honest too.


http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/07/321936.shtml
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:59 AM
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8. None of the above
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:03 AM
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9. That wasn't one of the choices. n/t
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:45 PM
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41. It was my choice.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:09 AM
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10. They are both lying
check out this CNN report from Saturday, they are talking to a British officer who was there, they don't know really or its all so complicated (where that imaginary line in the water is). After that point official government sources on both sides are doing the talking and the more they talk the more bombastic they become. I am willing to bet without the recent call up of ships into the area it would not have happened.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/23/iran.uk/index.html?eref=rss_mostpopular
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:19 AM
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11. Pick one.
Edited on Tue Mar-27-07 03:20 AM by Truthiness Inspector
On edit, extra punctuation mark.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:20 AM
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12. other
I distrust ALL governments.



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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:23 AM
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13. "Other" was not a choice
It's an easy out, so pick one. There are two stories, pick ONE.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:28 AM
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15. No, there are more than just 'two stories.'
The dissemination of propaganda regarding Britain and Iran is not limited to those two countries.

Though the poll is designed this way, reality does not reflect an either/or, black and white situation.

I suggest a re-do of the poll.
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:34 AM
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19. Ok
If you had the choice of being backed up by British troops or Iranian troops (Iranian troops directed by the Iranian gov't), who would you pick. And don't lie.

Nothing's ever black and white, but there is reality too.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:36 AM
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20. "And don't lie."
:wtf:

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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:38 AM
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21. Fair enough
so what is your answer to my question?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:39 AM
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22. I voted for the UK before I even posted in this thread
:)
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:43 AM
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23. Coolio
It sounds like we agree. So no point in arguing this matter, lol.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:45 AM
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24. I wanted to argue with you
but I like your user name too much. :D



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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 11:05 AM
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40. Hold on just a cotton pickin minute here
First, you say the question was whether one believes Britain or Iran, presumably in regard to the incident in the Persian Gulf.

Now, the question has something to do with being backed up by troops, as if one is running a military alliance.

If you desire an honest answer, it would be helpful for you to clearly state exactly what the fuck question you are asking.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 04:22 AM
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29. I agree with you Swamp Rat.
There is a new trend to an either/or, this or that kind of discourse. Life doesn't work like that.

It's a way of stacking the decks against informed debate. But it's fun to pose hypothetical scenarios. For instance what if I asked: who would you trust in a life or death medical situation: a British football hooligan or an Iranian doctor?

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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:26 AM
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14. Are you an anarchist?
I'm just curious
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:32 AM
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16. I am a Swamp Rat
I do not belong to one group, nor would I join a group of anarchists. :D

There are more than 'two stories.'



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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:47 AM
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25. Of course
you wouldn't join a group of anarchists, that's kind of self defeating. I'm just curious if you distrust all governments how are you able to support people in government right now. Are you saying you distrust people you lend support too?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:57 AM
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27. I'm am not saying any of those things...
... you are. :D

I prefer Thomas Jefferson's question: "Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?" :patriot:



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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 04:09 AM
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28. Very poetic and all but you did say
"you distrust all governments"

I'm sure you will claim that can be interpeted in many ways, but that would be silly.......
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:32 AM
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17. Dunno why
but that makes me laugh.

:bounce:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:33 AM
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18. Me too!!
HAHA!! :D

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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:48 AM
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26. It is a secret ballot
but why aren't the three voting for Iran saying it? You don't have to but I have no qualms about saying I voted for the UK and don't trust Iran.
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Lester222 Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 04:29 AM
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30. I'd pick GB, but I'd feel reeeeally uncomfortable with my choice.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 04:30 AM
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31. Here's another one.
Who do you trust:

The President or al-Qaeda?

Well, of course if forced I would have to say the President. But in the real world Bushco indirectly funds al-Qaeda through its allies and embezzlement and corruption in Iraq and their policies have made al-Qaeda and terrorist movements in general bigger and stronger.

So the either/or question forces me to support someone who doesn't have my best interests at heart - just as it is designed to.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 05:16 AM
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32. Iran just needs to put its navy near British territorial waters
If the Brits said they crossed the line under those circumstances, I'd sure believe them.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:00 AM
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38. It wasn't the Iranian Navy, it was the Pasdaran
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 05:52 AM
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34. I love the people
that picked a theocratic Islamist state over a Western ally. This is liberal naivete at it's best. Okay, I certainly understand that our level of trust needs to be down on Britain, but to pick them over Iran? Wow.

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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 05:57 AM
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35. Lichtenstein.
Why not?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 06:09 AM
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36. Perhaps I shouldn't have voted, being British...
but if I'm biased it's in the direction of NOT believing the Blair government on anything. Nevertheless, I voted for Britain, as the alternative certainly didn't seem trustworthy.. Also, just on the basis of what appears probable in the situation.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 08:18 AM
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37. As a Blanket Statement, I Would Believe the UK
in this case, I tend to believe Iran. But that's not what you were fishing for.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:47 AM
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39. One needn't "believe" either party.
One needn't "believe" either party.

Surely, at least "our side" has radar data. If it showed
that "we" were in the right, it'd have been made public
by now.

But there's no need to believe wither side on faith.

Tesha
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:46 PM
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42. how would either country really know?
Wouldnt the only ones to know for sure are the ones who were actually there??
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 04:29 PM
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43. Only reason I'd pick UK is I understand them better.
However, I can not pick 1 over the other without further information about it all as both mislead.
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