What you are seeing is a divided GOP... pure and simple

[nadinbrzezinski]

we have the Hill Republicans, mostly from safe districts, thinking they can take back power by standing on ahem principles... yeah really... they won't get it, and I don't expect them to loose their seats either.

You have the moderate republicans (they do exist) putting country before politics. Mostly these are governors who are facing a crisis and decided to bet their political futures with the Dems, or at least some of them

Finally you have the Southern Republicans, who are seeing this as the opportunity of a lifetime to get the feddies off their backs... and try to go back to the old ways.

In my book, if anybody is gonna take over the party... it is the second group... they are far more moderate. But it won't happen until the other two groups loose their political shirts....

Then again they may be too divided ... whigs... whigs, whigs... that be dreaming

[pacalo]

1. I love their use of the word "principles" in rejecting unemployment benefits for the downtrodden.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Well you are supposed to pull yourself by bootraps you know

:sarcasm:

And you should also never ever have the fire department put off the fire at your neighbors... I mean THE LAWN,

[Catshrink]

10. Unless it's the Repugs buddies on Wall Street and the investment banks.

Then it's please give us money. We didn't get our bonuses last year. :cry:

[damntexdem]

3. Well, actually, impure and simple-minded.

But may the GOP shatter on the hard rock of deep RW ideology.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. WHIG, WHIG, WHIG.... so the chant goes....

there is a distant possibility that will happen

[Marsala]

6. It IS possible...

The Republican Party has become a fixture in our politics for the past 150 years, so its extinction is unlikely, but if it continues to stay trapped by its diminishing base then it could very well dwindle away to third party status eventually... though it would take at least a decade, probably more, with no shift in direction.

Though as much as we all would enjoy seeing the Repukes tossed into the dustbin of history, it would inevitably lead to our own fission. There are no stable single-party systems in democracy, nor should there be.

[Ardent15]

7. Agreed. The Republican Party will become more moderate with time

This is just the ugly part of that process.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Why the WHIGS were replaced with the far more moderate... GOP

If this party finally goes away, the moderates in the GOP will form its replacement, I suspect

[Psychic Consortium]

5. You are correct.

The second group will survive.
The other groups will not.


The Psychic Consortium...
correctly predicted Obama's victory here on DU.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x76721

PC......clairvoyance done right

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Under their current name or a new one? That wold not surprise me

And I know I read you guys over that corner of DU.

[Psychic Consortium]

12. PC sees this

1. There will be splinter GOP groups who will come up with clever but ineffective names for themselves.

2. It does not matter what they call themselves, they are finished. Their notions and motives are old and used up, and everyone knows it but them.

3. It is a shame, because some of them could put their talents to use for the betterment of mankind, but they won't.

4. PC sees that the moderate GOPers will survive, like Charlie Crist.

5. Those in the GOP who are smart will align themselves with Obama and the American people.
Those who refuse to do so, will not survive politically.

5. PC sees the name "Republican" not going away, the name is seen in the future.

The Psychic Consortium...
correctly predicted here on DU Obama's victory.

PC......clairvoyance done right

[trotsky]

14. Wow, what a totally amazing and unexpected prediction.

I mean, it's not like Obama led in just about every single poll from the end of the primaries until the day of the election. :eyes:

[Psychic Consortium]

15. That is not true. Please check your facts.

When PC started making predictions, Obama was slightly behind
in the polls and then dead even. And many thought
that the republicans would steal the election, so the polls
didn't matter.

Also when Obama was slightly ahead, PC
predicted Obama would win with a mandate, which no one
thought would happen at the time.

So people were far from certain.
In hindsight people change their perception of events.
But go look at the polls.
And the panicky comments on the DU board in Sept.

[trotsky]

17. Sorry, it is absolutely true.

Obama trailed only briefly, when McCain got a convention bounce. Projection after projection showed Obama winning. Of course you WANT to pretend like you predicted something no one else did, but the fact of the matter is, Obama's election really didn't surprise anyone.

[Psychic Consortium]

22. I understand you do not want to hear what our organization has to say.

Thank you for your input.

[trotsky]

24. And I understand your "organization" has such a problem with actual data...

that you have to deny it. Your "prediction" was posted on September 24, 2008. Pick ANY poll from this site:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/whos-ahead/polling/index.html

And you'll see that you posted AFTER McCain's short-lived convention bounce, when Obama re-established the consistent lead he had had since the end of the primaries. Heck, some polls never gave McCain the lead at any point at all.

You can try to change the subject, or claim that I don't "want to hear" what your bogus group says, but I would say between the two of us, I'm not the one denying reality.

[Psychic Consortium]

16. PC also saw that this would be a change of the zeitgeist.

That we would be having a major societal change,
Obama was only a piece of the change.
And that he would successfully control any republican
opposition after the election, which of course
many were worried about and still are.

And many details about his campaign, and his presidency.

[trotsky]

18. Uh huh, yup.

Vague, general predictions? Check.
Stuff that is pretty much obvious already? Check.

You're covering all the bases. Good job!

[Psychic Consortium]

23. Obvious today yes. But not 6 months ago when we made the predictions.

But you raise some really good points about being
clairvoyant and making predictions. At the time predictions
are made, many think they are foolish and will never happen.

Then when the material comes true, people in hindsight
say it was obvious. Even though at the time it was not.

PC thanks you for your input. We value any well thought out feedback.
PC understands the work we do is not for everyone.

[trotsky]

25. Yes, obvious at the end of September.

See my post #24 above.

[and-justice-for-all]

11. They are fucked no matter what they do...

and every time they move, the look more and more out of touch and dated. They look like bigger fools every day and as the stagger and stumble in the dark they expose themselves for what they really are.

[Odin2005]

13. At the very least they are out of power for a generation.

A bunch of whiners screaming about "that man in the White House".

[NeedleCast]

20. Generation?

Doubtful. The public has a very short memory for politics.

[kentuck]

19. In Reagan We Trust...

Now, more than ever...

[Bryn]

21. "...the Southern Republicans..."

Is this bashing of the South again here on DU? Sarah Palin isn't Southerner, there are plenty of Repugs who aren't Southerners. How about Michelle Bachmann, that repug congresswoman of Minnesota? Even Ann Coulter isn't Southerner, she was born in New York, NY.