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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 02:51 PM
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Response to Governor Jindal
Governor Jindal says that the Republican Party has lost the trust of the American people and is determined to regain it. That's great news, but if I might suggest a first step towards regaining that trust - STOP LYING.

In that regard, Jindal's speech is not a good first step. Let me just look at a few of Governor Jindal's lies. First, he touted the Republican alternative to Obama's stimulus. He said it was a tax cut for low income working people and that it would cost less than the Democratic plan and create more jobs. Yet there are sound economic reasons to not believe in this trickle down theory. Here's the analysis of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

http://www.cbpp.org/1-26-09tax2.htm
A proposal to cut income tax rates, which Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell wants to include in economic recovery legislation, would provide its largest benefit to the top fifth of households and prove less effective as economic stimulus than the provision it would replace — President Obama’s “Making Work Pay” tax credit.

Under the proposal

Only about the top fifth of households would get the full tax cut.<1> Only those with incomes high enough to place them in the 25 percent bracket or higher — which for a married couple with two children means income of over $90,000<2> — would fully benefit from the cut in the 10 percent and 15 percent brackets.

Higher-income households would get a much bigger tax cut than less-affluent ones. A married couple with two children with income of $100,000 or more would get a tax cut of $3,395. This is 17 times the $200 tax cut that the couple would receive if its income were $30,000.

The Tax Policy Center estimates that more than 47 million low- and moderate-income filers would receive no tax benefit at all from the proposal.<3> To receive even a partial tax cut, a married couple with two children would need income of more than $26,000.<4>




But there's Bobby Jindal trying to redeem the Republican Party by selling the same old magic beans of bigger tax cuts for the wealthy as something that will help everybody. Never mind that "Tax cuts must be spent quickly if they are to stimulate the economy, and research shows that people at lower income levels spend more of any tax cuts they receive than families at higher income levels do."

Research? Research? What does that mean to Republicans who make up their own facts to fit around their ideology? That's what the Bush administration did, and Governor Jindal is offering 'more of the same' while promising to 'earn our trust'.

Governor Jindal also bragged about tax cuts in Louisiana. As Governor, he cut taxes six times, including the largest income tax cut in Louisiana history. It is clear that Jindal is not saying that the Republican Party is changing its message of tax cut, tax cut, tax cut. They still believe that almost every problem can be solved with a tax cut. What he is promising is that if Republicans are given power, this time they will not spend so much money. They will spend less on welfare, on head start, on medicaid, on medicare, on veterans benefits, on SCHIP, on LIHEAP, on unemployment insurance, on food stamps, on education, on roads and bridges, on levees, on the rebuilding of New Orleans ...

Okay, he never specificed which parts of government spending he would slash, but the implication is there that lots of it needs to be slashed so that people can be 'empowered' to solve their own problems instead of being helped by government. And here's the thing about those tax cuts Jindal is so proud of. Their main beneficiaries are the wealthy. Here's the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy analyzing those tax cuts and offering an alternative.

http://www.itepnet.org/la0508.pdf

On Wednesday, May 14, 2008, the House Ways and Means Committee approved SB 87, a measure originally sponsored by Senator Buddy Shaw and now backed by Governor Bobby Jindal....


SB 87 would reduce annual income tax revenue by several hundred million dollars, but would only cut taxes for the just over one-third of Louisianans who currently pay at the 6 percent rate. One commonsense alternative to SB 87 would instead expand the 2 percent tax bracket, which would benefit many more middle-income Louisianans, and would increase the value of the state Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) established last year.

Such an alternative would be far less expensive – reducing tax revenue by $134 million per year – but would be far broader in scope – shrinking the taxes paid by more than threequarters of Louisianans.

Of note, SB 87 would be heavily skewed towards the most affluent Louisianans, while the alternative described here would deliver the bulk of its tax cut to working families and individuals – who now pay a much larger share of their incomes in state and local taxes than the wealthy do. If SB 87 were enacted into law, the wealthiest 5 percent of Louisiana taxpayers – who are expected to have incomes over $138,000 in 2008 – would receive 27 percent of the total tax cut, while taxpayers with incomes below $43,000 would receive just 6 percent of the tax cut.

In contrast, more than half the benefits of the alternative described here would accrue to taxpayers with incomes below $43,000, with the richest 5 percent of taxpayers garnering just 6 percent.



"Heavily skewed towards the most affluent" Well, it's clear that Jindal offers a huge contrast from Bush in that regard. Just like a photocopy. When Republicans promise change their plan works like a photocopier. It produces a completely different piece of paper with the exact same thing printed on it. Only the paper has changed.

Here's another fact about Louisiana. Their state taxes are regressive - lower income people pay higher rates than higher income people. In Louisiana, those in the top 20 percent pay a tax rate of 7.9% while those in the bottom 20 percent pay a tax rate of 12.1%. Source: http://www.cbpp.org/5-9-08sfp.htm Jindal's tax cuts make them more regressive. Republicans continue to believe that tax cuts for the wealthy and a more regressive tax system will help the whole country.

Trust us, they say, these beans really are magic this time.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 02:54 PM
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1. Now read that from a teleprompter 4 words at a time
Then interject the same hand motion between each 4 word segment.

His delivery was as horrible as the message.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 03:21 PM
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3. That's pretty funny.
I did not notice that, since I was busy taking notes, but now that you mention it there was a certain plod, plod, plod to his delivery.

I think there was some strength in the Republican memes though. Americans can do anything. We don't need government bureaucrats. Tax cuts will grow the economy.

Many Americans in the middle class still like that one. Even Obama felt the need to promise a tax cut for 95% of us. We don't have to sacrifice or pay more in order to invest in infrastructure or balance the budget. In fact, we can solve those problems by paying less. Even on DU there was a lot of support for the idea of replacing the stimulus with $10,000 checks to everybody, and there is a contingent who always jump to the defense of households making $80,000 a year. They are not rich, you see, because they live in NYC or LA or Baltimore where houses and rents are very expensive. Since they are barely getting by, not only can we not raise their taxes, they need another tax cut.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 04:21 PM
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5. Difference between Obama style tax cut and a republican tax cut is
Obama is cutting taxes for the masses, the republicans will only cut taxes for the wealthy and sell the masses on the idea that it will trickle down to them.

I hope that 20+ years of that meme will prove to the masses that it never trickles down, not one dime of it.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 06:09 PM
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6. except that Bush cut taxes for the masses too
and Obama's stimulus included AMT relief for many wealthy people - couples making $500,000 or more (and also couples making $70,000).

The Bush tax cuts included

1) a cut in the bottom rate from 15% to 10% on the first $6,000 of income.

That did not goto many low income people who are paying no taxes, but it did goto lower income people, such as myself, who pay some taxes.

2) an increase in the child tax credit from $500 to $1000 per child.

Although I did not know this, the credit was made refundable.

And there's the big group in the $30-70,000 range who got some cuts.

The main thing was that people in the under $70,000 group could have gotten their small cuts without also giving huge cuts to people in the over $700,000 group.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 03:02 PM
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2. I was SO EMBARRASSED by Jindal last night.
His lame demeanor, talking down to the audience, out of sync with Obama's speech -- I could have been listening to 8-inch fingernails scraping across a 20-foot chalkboard.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 03:46 PM
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4. Shouldn't you be happy about that?
Edited on Wed Feb-25-09 03:48 PM by hfojvt
Is somebody gonna run against him in the next election? My own Democratic Governor - Sebelius, gave a response to Bush last year that I thought was pretty lame. So that was kinda embarrassing.

Then again, I used to be ashamed of Bush too. He was so obviously so stupid that I would kinda cringe watching him. In fact, I quit watching in 2002.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 08:27 PM
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7. dang, I have fallen below Gary Condit
tax policy is too boring, or something.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 10:45 PM
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8. a jindal thread with substance?
:wow: :kick:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 01:02 AM
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10. and quickly Piyushed off the front page
Nobody wants meat when there's pudding available. :hi:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 01:15 AM
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11. well i hope it didn't piyush you off TOO much
Edited on Thu Feb-26-09 01:16 AM by omega minimo
:spray: :hug:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5133726&mesg_id=5133990



I had to self kick mine and then get accused by a rhymes-with-troll of being a racist :yoiks:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 10:45 PM
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9. a jindal thread with substance?
:wow: :kick:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 01:43 AM
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12. that Katrina story he was piyushing
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