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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 04:34 AM
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Americans held by leftist rebels in Colombia critical of celebrated hostage Betancourt
Source: Chicago Tribune

Updated: 2:04 a.m.
Americans held by leftist rebels in Colombia critical of celebrated hostage Betancourt
By FRANK BAJAK | Associated Press Writer
2:04 AM CST, February 26, 2009

BOGOTA (AP) — A memoir by three Americans held captive by Colombia's leftist rebels for 5½ years is anything but flattering to Ingrid Betancourt, the most famous hostage who shared their jungle cavalry.

The chronicle of the U.S. military contractors' 1,967 days as rebel captives is a striking survival tale, describing their pain and perseverance, mind-numbing boredom in jungle cages, forced marches in chains, close calls under fire and ultimately, a miraculous rescue.

But the most provocative revelation of "Out of Captivity" deals with Betancourt, a French-Colombian politician kidnapped a year before they were marched into the gulag they say she dominated.

One of the Northrop Grumman employees alleges she was haughty and self-absorbed, stole food and hoarded books, and even put their lives in danger by telling rebel guards they were CIA agents.

"I watched her try to take over the camp with an arrogance that was out of control," Keith Stansell told The Associated Press in an interview Wednesday. "Some of the guards treated us better than she did."

Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-lt-colombia-hostage-book,0,332780.story



I believe the Chicago Tribune requires subscription. Here's the same story from another source:
http://www.whnt.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-lt-colombia-hostage-book,0,1028349.story
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 04:43 AM
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1. That's very strange. I just saw a documentary with these three on LinkTv
Edited on Thu Feb-26-09 04:46 AM by EFerrari
that appeared to be filmed shortly after they were captured. It was a "proof of life" that was sent home to their families in hopes of spurring negotiations in an exchange of prisoners. They were asked on camera if they were CIA and all of them denied it.

All three look much older in the snapshot that accompanies the article.

ETA: Short trailer and description at link.

http://www.linktv.org/programs/heldhostage

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 05:10 AM
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3. Extraordinary film clip of these three after they were nabbed when their plane crashed.
They referred to Uribe in their first conversation with Mono Jojoy.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/media/images/44688000/jpg/_44688821_jojoy_ap2000_226.jpg


That countryside would be unbelievable for anyone trying to go in there quickly by car, wouldn't it?
I heard that was a problem for the coffee growers, as the government stopped maintaining the roads which went to the areas where they were growing coffee, and it became too expensive trying to fend for themselves without adequate roads to get their coffee to market.

They do look older with Uribe, particularly Thomas Howes. Keith Stansell looks like Vanilla Ice with Uribe. They were keyed up in the first one, probably thinking they could get obliterated any moment, that may have made them look more intense, more vivid, animated, alert in the video than they did when they knew the pressure was off and they were "sprung."

Thanks for looking up that video. Very unusual.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 09:23 AM
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5. the zona cafetera is well developed with adequate transportation
for one of Colombia's main exports besides cocaine. I have no idea where you get your misinformation.

the video is obviously from a rather remote jungle area.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 07:53 AM
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9. Here's some more quick information I found in a jiffy:
The Truth About Plan Colombia

The U.S.-backed war on drugs is failing, as coca traffickers stay one step ahead of Uribe.
By Adam B. Kushner | NEWSWEEK
Published Jan 3, 2009

~snip~
With few roads suitable for trucking, it becomes extremely expensive to transport coffee or some other crop to market, and there's only so much a supplier can charge for a kilo of coffee beans. But narcotraffickers have at their disposal a network of illegal airlifts, jungle runners and riverboats to move cocaine from the local "cook" (workshops are located near the fields) to international traffickers in Venezuela and on the Pacific Coast. As a business proposition, shipping small volumes of expensive goods (a kilo of cocaine can fetch up to $175,000 in some markets) is infinitely more sensible than shipping vast volumes of cheap commodities. Daniel Mejía, an economist at Los Andes University in Bogotá, figures the annual profit on a hectare of coffee is $500, compared with $5,000 for coca.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/177681

~~~~~~~~~~~

~snip~
A farm’s economic and quality sustainability is dependent upon access to transportation. The larger the farm the more dependent it is on a good road system within it. All farms need access to key nodal points, such as processing centers, agricultural supply centers, banks, storage facilities and ports. Transportation is particularly critical during the harvest when coffee cherries must be rushed within hours to a depulping center (to be covered in the post-harvest section). Smaller farms are often isolated and very poorly connected to regional grids. Indeed, many producing countries, poor in resources, have not invested in infrastructure sufficiently to properly support their farmers.

http://www.terroircoffee.com/content/view/260/

~~~~~~~~~~~

Grounds war: international coffee prices stay low, forcing Colombian growers large and small to rethink
Latin Trade , April, 2004 by Toby Muse

Miguel Chaparro, the leader of a small indigenous community of Arahuanco natives, has made the five-hour journey by mule from his farm down to Pueblo Bello, a frontier town that connects the rest of Colombia with the Indian country of the Sierra Nevada. Located in the north of Colombia, the Sierra Nevada is a sparsely-populated vast expanse of plains, thick jungles and mountains with few roads "all but forgotten by the Colombian government.

In this wilderness, inhabited by indigenous tribes, Marxist guerrillas and rightwing death squads, Chaparro and his community for decades have grown 40 hectares of coffee. In line with Arahuaco beliefs of keeping the earth flee of chemicals, Chaparro grows organic coffee, a form of specialty coffee Colombia is keen to promote to distinguish the national product from oilier types on the shelves of supermarkets in Europe and in the United States.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BEK/is_4_12/ai_n6015182

ETC.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 08:43 AM
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10. Here's a photo of your dweeb President Uribe, sipping his coffee
while sitting on his horsie, and toasting Carlos Gutierrez, Cuban "exile" Commerce Secretary to George W. Bush, as he, standing in the crowd, waves his fond greeting back. So sweet. One big fascist family.

http://cache.daylife.com.nyud.net:8090/imageserve/03Du7dd7A44hu/610x.jpg

Can drink coffee and sit on the horsie at the same time.

http://www.fastestonemanband.com.nyud.net:8090/images/fastest_one_man_band.jpg

A lesser known luminary.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 07:35 AM
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8. Here's another photograph from the IHT story out today:
http://img.iht.com.nyud.net:8090/images/2009/02/27/26betancourt-pic.550.jpg


Looking a little worse for wear here, too, aren't they?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 04:46 AM
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2. One detail you might want to consider is that the very popular (in Colombia) Ingrid Betancourt
is a very serious contender in the next Presidential race, which as we all know, Colombian right-wing President Álvaro undoubtedly intends to enter. He wouldn't have gone to all the trouble to have the Colombian congress rearrange their constitution to allow him to run last time if he didn't have big political goals.

The U.S. has been the constant patron of Uribe from his first day in office. The contractors are connected ideologically to this little right-wing President through their employers.

Conjecture, opinion. I believe this story is connected to Uribe's political ambitions, or why would we not have heard about it immediately, after they were rescued?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 08:28 AM
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4. Yup, it sure looks political. And I have to laugh at their denial that
they are CIA. Would they answer "yes" if they were?

The Bushwhack/CIA strategy in Colombia (and all over South America) is disintegrating. That is the context for these former hostages' statements, I think. The Bushwhacks' goal was to lure Venezuela and Ecuador into a war with Colombia, early last year--meant to be the chaos in which they could trigger the fascist secession plots in Venezuela's and Ecuador's northern oil provinces. Chavez flummoxed them on that one. What an amazing sidestep he did--just like a martial arts expert "retreat" to use the momentum of an attacker to defeat the attack. Lula da Silva called Chavez "the great peacemaker" after that series of events.

The U.S./Colombia had bombed the FARC hostage negotiator's camp inside Ecuador's border, and then raided over the border, to shoot any survivors (slaughtering 25 people in their sleep, including an Ecuadoran and several Mexican students). The FARC were preparing to release Ingrid Betancourt and other hostages to French, Swiss and Spanish envoys, under Rafael Correa's auspices. Correa was beside himself with fury at the U.S./Colombia bombing/raid. He sent battalions of the Ecuadoran military to reinforce his border with Colombia. Chavez first of all sent battalions of Venezuela's military to reinforce Venezuela's border with Colombia, in accord with Correa. The region was poised for war. But Chavez smelled a rat. Soon the matter was removed to the Rio Group, where (on a YouTube of the proceedings) you can plainly see what is happening, even if you don't understand Spanish: Chavez has pulled Correa back from the brink of war, and is bouncing around the room, happy as a lark, smiling and backslapping, because he was right--it was a trap, set by the Bushwhacks to create chaos and destabilization, and they were counting on the younger, hotter tempered Correa's inexperience to get the war under way--and Chavez had talked Correa out of it. Chavez is happy. Correa is still steaming. But the war was averted.

This is the way things went for various Bushwhack schemes all year. That was in early 2008. Fast-forward to September 2008, and their Bolivian coup attempt also fails, due to Evo Morales' swift action in throwing the U.S.-Bushwhack ambassador and the DEA out of the country, but also because of the coordination among the leftist leadership of the continent. By that time, UNASUR had been formalized, and UNASUR gave Morales strong backing. Throughout all of the Bushwhack evil plotting in South America, Alvaro Uribe, 'president' of Colombia, has been their corrupt, treacherous tool. But--and this still fascinates me--by September, something had changed. Colombia joined the rest of the UNASUR nations on the Bolivian crisis, to make it a unanimous vote. Is it possible that Uribe, like the Colorado Party in Paraguay, could now see the "handwriting on the wall" as to leftist domination of the continent, and the benefits therefrom, of a concerted economic strategy? He was soon holding an "all is forgiven"/brotherly lovefest with Chavez, at which they announced several joint Venezuelan/Colombian projects including a railroad.

More likely, Uribe is playing both sides of the street. "Treachery" is his middle name. Currently, he has said he is not running for president again, as follow-up to his fraudulently obtained second term. I tend to believe him. Colombia needs to adjust to the new realities in Washington, as well as to the rather amazing new realities in South and Central America--the leftist tide. The new reality in Washington quite importantly includes a comeback by the "old school" CIA, which will be taking over Bushwhack-CIA operations and running things quite differently--to the same purpose, of course, for the benefit of U.S.-based multinationals and U.S. "war on drugs" profiteers, but not so crudely as the Bushwhacks. This may mean installing a cleaner-looking tool in Colombia. Uribe is very tainted--with death squads, with drug trafficking, and probably with vast corruption regarding the $6 BILLION in U.S./Bushwhack military aid. I think Defense Minister Santos has ambitions--but I would surmise that his ambition would be more along the lines of a military dictatorship. McCain losing probably nixed that ambition. What the three U.S. CIA hostages' remarks about Betancourt tell me is that the "old school" CIA is looking for an alternative rightwing candidate--somebody more acceptable to the leftist leadership of the continent, but who will still do our corporate rulers' bidding on items like the Colombia/U.S. "free trade" boondoggle, and "war on drugs" strategic placement of U.S. military spying and trouble-making facilities.

Bear in mind that Betancourt is a dual French-Colombian citizen. France's president Sarkozy worked hard on getting her released. France's state oil company, Total, is benefiting from Exxon Mobil's demise in Venezuela. Total stayed in the negotiations with the Chavez government, and agreed to terms that are more beneficial to the Venezuelan people, whereas Exxon Mobil walked out, and then lost their court battle to punish Venezuela by seizing $12 billion of Venezuela's assets. Who benefits? France! Colombia also has considerable undeveloped oil reserves. So that is a factor in the Colombian presidential contest--France's oil interests.

This may be why these CIA assets are dissing Betancourt. Another possibility is that these three U.S. hostages are Bushwhacks, and are abetting the Bushwhack faction in the CIA, whereas the "old school" CIA, with Panetta in charge, may want Betancourt--or would find her acceptable, for their subtler tactics and goals. The Bushwhacks may be still angling to install Santos. Their massive theft of our federal coffers, and creation of private armies at our expense, should not be dismissed. They have the capability to mount private wars. This is especially true in Colombia, where the Bushwhacks basically bought themselves a whole army. A military dictatorship in Colombia would make the "free trade" deal difficult to get through the U.S. Congress. So installing Santos would have to look democratic (sort of).

One important issue is the fraudulent election process in Colombia. Will anything be done to improve it? I don't know if that's possible with Uribe in charge. The country to be monitored by, say, the Carter Center, has to invite the monitors in. And it is not just a matter of observing an election. International monitoring groups won't do it on the spur of the moment, for one election. They require being involved sometimes years in advance, in helping to set up an honest, transparent system. There is a lot of momentum for this in South America. And that might help get it done. But Colombia is a very difficult problem, as to clean elections.

Note: Betancourt has also said she is not running for president of Colombia. And I simply don't know if either thing is true--that both Uribe and Betancourt are not running. The three U.S. CIA hostages' criticisms of Betancourt point to her running.

One other thing: It's difficult to gage the statements of former hostages. They may be suffering post-traumatic stress syndrome. And they may not be actually CIA, but just Bushwhack-CIA stooges--tools. They may feel used, and they may be projecting their feelings about their own CIA handlers onto Betancourt. So it's hard to know for sure what their statements indicate, as to U.S. interest in Colombia. Could be just griping and whining and displaced emotion. If their portrayal of Betancourt in the FARC camp is accurate, it may point--very ironically--to qualities in Betancourt that would make her a superb president of Colombia. She can throw her weight around with the FARC! She can lord it over three CIA narcs!

Think of it! This is quite a woman. Maybe the very person needed to bring Colombia's dreadful 40+ year civil war to a peaceful conclusion. You have to be a strong and savvy negotiator to do that. And it sounds like--in their complaints about food and books, etc.--she always won.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 07:25 AM
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6. Great points you've made, bringing up more to consider.
It does sound truly odd, doesn't it, having three grown men crabbing so loudly about one other captive. It should have been a snap outmaneuvering her, with THREE of them, if they were so overwrought about her behavior.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 07:26 AM
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7. NY Times "ace" Simon Romero gives the story his own magical treatment:
Book casts harsh light on former hostage in Colombia
By Simon Romero
Friday, February 27, 2009

CARACAS: Ingrid Betancourt, the aristocratic Colombian politician greeted as a heroine last year after enduring years as a hostage of Marxist guerrillas, is depicted as a selfish and haughty captivity mate in a memoir by three American military contractors who were held alongside her.

"I don't want to attack her, but the truth is very savage," said Keith Stansell, 44, an ex-Marine and one of the authors of the book, "Out of Captivity," which was released Thursday. "We were infected enough with her behavior in the jungle," he said in a telephone interview from New York. "Now I just want to get immunized."

Indeed, Stansell and his co-authors, Thomas Howes and Marc Gonsalves, offer a far different portrait of Betancourt in the 457-page book than the generally accepted image of her outside Colombia as a long-suffering abduction victim who had nobly resisted her captors since her kidnapping in 2002.

In a daring operation last July, Colombian commandos plucked Betancourt, the three Americans and 11 other captives from the arms of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, the FARC. The rescue operation thrust Betancourt, a former presidential candidate in Colombia who has since settled in France, back into the public eye.

The Americans' book is mainly an account of their capture by the FARC and their survival while faced with jungle marches, a raft of tropical diseases and being chained to one another to discourage escape.

The book also portrays Betancourt as seeking to put herself at the top of a hostage hierarchy, hoarding used clothing and writing materials from the others, determining bathing schedules, hiding information from a transistor radio that she had squirreled away, even throwing a fit about the color of a mattress she was given. (It was baby blue.)

More:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/27/america/colom.php
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