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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 03:58 AM
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Oh, You Wacky Fascists and Your Outrage!
Edited on Fri Feb-27-09 04:24 AM by 20score
Rick Santelli was outraged at the “losers” getting money from the government. Give their cars and houses to people who could prosper down the road, he said. This from a corporate shill who thinks “Real America” is the floor of a stock exchange. Yeah Ricky, your populism is really tugging at my heartstrings, you’re a regular Huey Long - fight the power and all that. Or, fight the powerless, if you will.

There is also a video making the rounds of an irate Stuart Varney taking on ACORN activist, Bertha Lewis, challenging her, “Do you think these people have a right to these houses?” He joins countless right wing hacks and corporate shills taking on these poor people who have purposely ruined the economy. If only they had left corporate America alone, none of this would have happened. Those shiftless poor people, always thinking up ways to profit by changing the rules; and who’s left holding the bag – the bankers, and billionaires, who were just minding their own business when the poor and middle class destroyed the economy. Took them completely by surprise. Well Stuart, good job on protecting us and taking the moral high ground. You showed her!

Now to do this outrage correctly of course, there are a few handy tools at the propagandist’s disposal. First, misdirection. Focus only on the homeowner who can no longer afford their mortgage payment at the increased rate. Second, and most important, omission. Don’t mention what the rates are now and don’t talk about what they started at in the first place. If the homeowner was making the payments at a six or seven percent rate, and the bank was making a profit - then the rate was raised to an unmanageable eleven percent, well, that’s the homeowners fault. The fact that the bank will take the bailout money from the goverment, make a token offer to the homeowner of a one or so percentage decrease and still foreclose – well that’s the homeowners fault. The fact that no one reads all the pages in a loan document and the fact that almost all contracts are written purposely so that the average person can’t understand what they’re reading… again, the homeowners fault.

Still under the heading of omission is an obvious fact that needs to be avoided at all costs. The bankers and congress wrote the laws that allowed predatory lending and legalized usury. The bankers and loan officers steered people into loans they could not afford, and many times into much worse loans than were available. A 2001 Fannie May study estimates that about half of the subprime loans could have been at better rates, and a 2004 Freddie Mac study stated that 38% would have qualified for prime loans. It’s gotten worse since those studies.

So, you wacky corporatists, keep on gittin’ angry with the people losing their homes. But save some anger for the people losing their jobs. I have a feeling that’s just around the corner.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:41 AM
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1. Kick and rec. n/t
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:42 AM
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2. good stuff. KnR
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 05:38 AM
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3. kr
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 05:55 AM
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4. Well it was their fault that they lost their job.
If they would have just taken the pay cut that would make them completive with child labor in China they would still have that job.
then they could have moved 20 or 30 other people into their house making similar wages and everything would be fine...the CE Os and Wall street would have gotten bigger bonuses and it would have trickled down.
Yep no doubt it is the peoples fault.
K&R
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 05:17 PM
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19. Good one, zeemike! nt
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 06:00 AM
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5. excellent rant
those wacky fascists. heh
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 09:27 PM
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21. Thanks!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 06:02 AM
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6. They should have told the bank they could not afford that loan!
:sarcasm:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 06:33 AM
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7. K&R!
I like the way you summed up the situation.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 12:48 PM
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14. Thanks!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 07:11 AM
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8. I have coworkers who could talk about nothing the day after Obama's speech and Jindal's epic fail
than how terribly unfair it was that they were going to have to pay for the sins of greedy people who bought houses they couldn't afford.

After all, THEY didn't buy more house than THEY could afford. But now they were going to have to participate in rescuing people who did. SOOOOOO UNFAIR!!!!!!

We're not talking about wealthy fatcats, either, when we talk my coworkers. We're talking middle-class Republicans who pride themselves on being virtuous enough to never do what they know they can't afford to do. They are deriding their own neighbors, not to mention the poor, for not having the virtues of self-denial and delayed gratification that they possess.

Of course, what I don't think they have ever known is what it's like to be in a position where you slaved away at a near-minimum-wage job, or lived on a fixed income, and never had ANY money to buy a house AT ALL, OF ANY SIZE, and then to have some banker come along and tell you "Yes, you can do this. We can work it out for you." And then help you get into, say, a $40,000 condo. But then something happens--you lose your job, you get sick and have bad medical bills, the person you signed the papers with dies--and you can't keep up on the mortgage anymore.

THOSE are the kind of people these Republicans are deriding. Right along with the people who they are ripping up one side and down the other for buying $200,000 worth of house when they could realistically afford only a $100,000 house.

In the words of George Bailey in It's a Wonderful Life:

"You--you said--what'd you say a minute ago? They had to wait and save their money before they even ought to think of a decent home. Wait? Wait for what? Until their children grow up and leave them? Until they're so old and broken down that they... Do you know how long it takes a working man to save five thousand dollars?...Just remember this...that this rabble you're talking about...they do most of the working and paying and living and dying in this community. Well, is it too much to have them work and pay and live and die in a couple of decent rooms and a bath?"
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:19 AM
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11. Hell, there are people right here on DU saying that. eom
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 07:41 AM
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9. Blame the victims
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The Unknown Derelict Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:14 AM
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10. I wonder if Santelili...
Edited on Fri Feb-27-09 11:32 AM by The Unknown Derelict
...is a good Christian.

I'm curious, because the GOP is the party of big business, and they also try to claim they're the party of Christians.

I'm guessing Santelli (if he is a Christian) and a majority of them haven't read the book they throw in everyones face when it suits their cause.

That book is the Bible.

The reason I say this, is that they don't seem to remember the story of Jesus seeking Zacchaeus.

I'd love to see Santelli help those in distress rather than call them "losers" on national TV. These are people who lost their jobs, families that broke up, etc who he's saying this about...very disturbing.

Whether you believe the Bible or not, it's funny to see their hypocracy. That's the purpose of my post, to point this out.

When they start bellowing about the poor, I always like to ask them, "What would Jesus do?".

Another thought - aren't they always shouting "love thy neighbor"?

And is it just me, or did Jesus prefer the company of the poor to the rich? Christian, atheist, agnostic, or whatever...you don't have to be a believer to realize these people are just plain wrong.

Another way of putting this is right now...in modern times...would Jesus be chilling with traders and rubbing elbows on the floor of the stock exchange, or hanging with ACORN helping people in need?

I am outraged at Santelli's outrage...sheer ignorance. :crazy:

It's enough to make this progressive 'lurker' log in and express myself. :D
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:46 AM
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12. Great input, and welcome to DU!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 12:12 PM
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13. K & R.
Excellent!
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 02:52 PM
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16. Thanks, my friend.
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punkin87 Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 02:05 PM
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15. Excellent! Great rant.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:46 PM
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22. Thanks, much.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 03:19 PM
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17. It wouldn't break my heart
if a mob of angry peasants armed with pitchforks and torches absconded with Santelli and showed him a little "justice."

Bake
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 03:33 PM
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18. I think this well written and makes a good point in a humorous way.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 06:10 PM
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20. Thanks, that's what I was going for.
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:24 AM
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23. Welcome.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:34 AM
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24. Fly over any American city...
...the majority of the housing that you see belong to people who are just trying to get by...most definitely not the wall street kind of bastards who are killing us all. It is us, the poor, muddled masses that create the wealth that provide bastards like Santilli a plush and insulated way of life.

In all of Santilli's blather, all I heard was, "let them eat cake". Well, Mr Santilli, fuck you and all of your golden boys. There are more of us than you, and you are truly misreading the mood of the country.
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