Just read the thread about cheese sandwiches and kids.

[zeemike]

And it really upset me because of all the …it is there fault, it is your fault, it is no ones fault thing we have going on.
What if they gave a fault and no one cared?

What if we just fed kids in public schools good notorious food with no concerns about who pays or does not pay for it ….That is right, that is what I am saying a friggin free lunch for kids no strings attached, no questions asked and no fault for anyone.

How to do this? Federalize the school lunch program, make all the workers federal employees and mandate that all food purchased for the program should first be obtained from locally grown, organic producers.
The State would provide the facilities and a nutritionist to insure the best food possible for their location.
This would have a direct effect on local economy sense there would be a rush of people interested in selling there produce to the school lunch program and would encourage organic and chemical free farming practices. And the infusion of money to the community would trickle up to main street.
And what a long term investment is better than in the children who’s later health care costs could be significantly reduced by at least one good meal a day. Not to mention the fact that well fed kids learn more and better.

Now I know this will cost billions, but just how many billions? 50 Billion would be and average for one per state so what ? Isn’t it just money well spent? And how much would you be willing to spend for those benefits? 100 Billion….200billion….the cost of a years worth of Iraqi war?

[Donnachaidh]

1. good nutritious food is impossible when Chik Fil A has a lock on many of the school food programs

It's disgusting what they feed to kids in the schools and actually call it food.

[Lost in CT]

3. I remember school lunch back before Chick-fil a and let me tell you it was no nutritional

nirvana.

Rich kids and people with parents who loved them brought in lunch from home.

Kids with free lunches and kids whose parents hated them ate the hot meal.

To this day I cannot eat the corn, peas and square carrots mixed vegetables and honestly will not eat lasagna unless I made it myself.

[Captain Hilts]

5. Ditto on the square mixed vegetables. In Groton, CT they served no hot lunches. Everybody...

had to carry. I think they sold milk. Yuck. I hate milk.

[Donnachaidh]

13. memory lane is fine, but this is about what the kids are subjected to TODAY.

Chik-fil A should NOT be served in the schools. It's CRAP. These schools have the capacity to buy fresh local grown produce, and they still give contracts to companies who don't give a shit about the health of their customers, but care deeply about PROFIT.

[Lost in CT]

16. The kids from what I have seen have better quality and fresher food than we could have dreamed of.

I mean a carton of whole milk and a peanut butter and Marshmallow fluff sandwich on Wonder bread used to be standard fare.

[seabeyond]

2. then all taxes go up to cover this and childless people not bitch about it. OR

those who cant afford get on the program. parents that can afford take care of their kids and make sure money is in account. and if not then provide a cheese sandwich from home or not bitch about cheese from school

my kid has had over on account and given cheese sandwich. was NOT a tease factor or feeling less

[zeemike]

4. That is my point it does not matter...

all children have access to a good meal no questions asked and no need for offense on aether side.

[seabeyond]

15. wink. n/t

[zeemike]

19. I gotcha n/t

[zeemike]

6. I say let em bitch.

They are only concerned with themselves...not exactly the true American Patriot.

[Missy Vixen]

34. Watch it

>They are only concerned with themselves...not exactly the true American Patriot.

So, now the childfree are at fault for this? You might want to rephrase your comment.

In the meantime, "only concerned with themselves"? What does one call a parent who has the money but still won't pay that lunch tab for their kids?

[zeemike]

38. I was talking about the ones that would bitch about taxes

being used to feed hungry kids...They are thinking of themselves and they are not American patriots

[dustbunnie]

44. A lot of those people who are having a hard time budgeting for food -

are also having a tough time making their property taxes.

Feeding kids is great, but if these families are living in cars and shelters, or worse, it doesn't help.

It's a mess all around.

[zeemike]

45. But at least the kids get one good meal a day

But you are right we have a long way to go to solve the whole problem.

[ret5hd]

8. Could you restate this in english?

I know there was a point somewhere in there.

[seabeyond]

12. seems clear to me and at least two others....

many childless on du bitch about their taxes without child. hence to pay for all lunches would have to come not out of current budget but an extra tax that all would pay. childless would be paying for my kids lunch even though i could easily provide for my kid

there is exsisting programs for parents that cant afford

many of the kids are eating cheese sandwiches cause their account is over extended. the parent isnt paying on it or kid isnt telling parent. pay the damn thing and kid doesnt eat cheese sandwich.

it is not the stigma that people are saying on du. my kids have had cheese sandwiches and many other kids have cause parents didnt pay on account and the kids are not teased

[Missy Vixen]

42. Do you really want to go here?

>many childless on du bitch about their taxes without child.

If you do, I can promise it'll devolve into a thermonuclear flamewar very quickly.

Even those of us without children don't resent paying for breakfasts and lunches. Lots of us are also products of programs like Head Start. We don't care for being name-called because we're still paying for an item we've long since paid for, which is our education. We also don't get tax deductions for children, despite the fact we pay, don't we?

In the meantime, I'm not childless. I'm childfree. Thanks for treating me with the respect and courtesy every parent on this board expects and demands.

[seabeyond]

43. ya

i will go there. childless, childfree... i have heard both and not sure which one i am suppose to use since there are people without children that use both terms. though more often i see them use childless... but if that is offensive, i do not have a single issue using child free. bothers me not. you want to be offended by that, that is purely your choice, but seems to me as if you are looking for something to be bothered with. i was childless and free for many many years, and having been in that position, i would not be offended by either

i know you have been on the threads about the "breeders" and how childfree people are not getting the deduction that those with children are and how unfair it is. so for me to think there might be a problem with people all of a sudden being charged MORE taxes to pay for ALL the kids lunch, many of the kids that have parents that are quite capable and willing to pay is NOT a far stretch.

so ya

i went there.

btw.... i looked up -less in dictionary. lack of, free of, or not having

do tell what is offensive about that?

[Missy Vixen]

47. You must be so proud.

>i know you have been on the threads about the "breeders" and how childfree people are not getting the deduction that those with children are and how unfair it is.

Really? Please produce one instance during which I called any parent on DU a "breeder". At any time. You'll have eight years of posts to get through, so it might take you awhile. I can unequivocally say, though, you will find NOTHING. I might also add that I have never said anything at all about the monies used for free or reduced cost lunches in public schools that has not been supportive. I also seem to remember some extreme nastiness from you on multiple threads on the subject of those of us who don't have children.

One thing's for sure -- my tax dollars go to defray the cost of children and their education; I should sure as hell have something to say about how that money's spent, and so should anyone else who's paying taxes into the educational system they ceased using themselves years ago.

It's comical to me that parents are accorded the highest respect on this site, but those of us who chose to NOT be parents certainly aren't. In other words, we are expected to be supportive of the lifestyle of others, but we sure don't get that support ourselves. I choose to be called "childfree", and so do many others who identify as childfree. We're not "missing" anything, thanks.

[seabeyond]

48. and where did i say you said anything about breeders....

clearly i didnt. you made up an argument. i said you had been in the threads, you knew what was being said.

saying childless is nothing about "missing" anything, again, you made up that argument. look it up in the dictionary: free of (which is what you are insisting). because others dont "know" how you want to be described as is hardly something to be pissed at them about.

then you go into a rant about the "highest respect" to parents, again..... nothing to do with this thread or anything else, another made up argument. and evidence of exactly what i was stating originally

your post is ridiculous, as are your accusations

[iamjoy]

9. I Don't Bitch

I don't have children, and I don't care if my taxes go up to buy them lunch. I see it as investing in the future of this country. A kid can't learn if his/her belly is empty, or if they are eating junk food. Why not start teaching them healthy eating habits when they are young so maybe it will stick with them for life? Now some would say that's not up to the schools to teach that and schools should only focus on the basics. Because a good education is about more than just knowing how to read and do figures - it is about preparing to become a productive member of society.


People who don't have children of their own need to understand they have a vested interest in making sure today's kids have opportunities.

[seabeyond]

14. maybe that is why youamjoy??? lol. tease. good for you. i was childless paying taxes

lots of years without concern. but seems on du to be a huge issue.

they do teach health and balanced eating and food, though it lacks in real world, once they step into what is offered at my kids cafteria anyway. i am so disappointed by what is offered. but kids are pretty good at chosing mostly kinda a sorta healthy

[zeemike]

22. BTW I don't have children ether n/t

[Vektor]

20. I have no children, but would never bitch about my taxes helping children.

That's what being a liberal is all about - WANTING to serve the greater good whenever possible.

I'd get more satisfaction from feeding a hungry child, than I would from hoarding a few tax dollars under my own mattress.

[seabeyond]

21. ah.... but look at the beautiful picture of

kerry you have STILL, lol lol, on your posts. bah hahha. still have a thing for him huh? me too.

it is the many threads i have seen on du from childless paying taxes that provide for kid. had never considered, always thought your way until recent threads on du opened my eyes to different thinking.

[Vektor]

29. I see what you're saying...

...and yes, my appreciation of the good senator will always remain solid. ;-)

[Missy Vixen]

32. We don't have kids, and I've never bitched about the school lunch program

I'm sure if you'll do a search, you'll find that I have been very much in support of free breakfast and lunch for all students.

[EFerrari]

36. Those childless people will have a better later life if those kids get good jobs

and contribute to Social Security. Win - win.

[snappyturtle]

7. Good idea but I see about as much chance for this as single payor health care.nt

[zeemike]

11. you are probably right, but I just had to say it. n/t

[Bandit]

10. I like cheese sandwiches and I see nothing wrong with them

What is unhealthy about cheese sandwiches? The price seems right as well. Someone is trying to attach some social stigma on them but the kids aren't forced to accept them. They are there and available for those kids that don't have the means otherwise. I don't understand what everyone's problem with this is.

[zeemike]

17. Well I happen to like cheese sandwiches too

And Cheese can be good for most people, but not so much if it comes from a factory that sells it's lower grade cheese to school lurch programs and that cheese comes from milk cows that have been pumped up with hormones to produce more than any cow should be expected too.

Nor do I think That children should be feed the cheapest food that can be found. Quite the opposite, it should be the best we can do.

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Kids should be made to bear the stigma for their parents inequity.

Lunch should be a properly humiliating experience for those whose parents can't afford to pay. Anything else would be un-American.

[Lost in CT]

23. Actually this is parents that are lazy or are deadbeats.

The kids of parents that can't afford to pay already get hot nutritious meals.

[acmavm]

24. Ain't that the truth!

:sarcasm:

(I know you were being sarcastic.)

[zeemike]

25. I just love that picture you have there

Oops I just stole it

[Sal Minella]

26. Stupid poor kids need to be punished for being too lazy to choose rich parents.

[patrice]

27. Have Agrarian Vo-tech classes, so the Children can grow their own food and learn something useful.

And, then, they could learn business by selling what they grow to their community.

[zeemike]

28. If organic farming ever catches on

I am sure you will see it.

[patrice]

30. I am working in an incubator for an elder-care model of which this sort of thing could be part.

Everything is in transition right now, so tensions are high, but the potential IS there.

[zeemike]

39. those are the groups that need good food the most

The young and the old.

[rvablue]

31. "Notorious food"???? You mean like this:

The Hamburglar?





Sorry, I know you meant this seriously. I couldn't help myself. :rofl:

[zeemike]

40. Sorry that just slipped by n/t

[Greyhound]

33. Neither the sandwiches nor the money is the issue, this is about

institutionalized humiliation and the acceptance or promotion of it in the narrow focus, and enforced class distinction in the larger.

It about the death of The American Dream, and the fact that the beneficiaries of it don't care about it.

[flvegan]

35. Legalize and tax marijuana, and school lunches could be free.

Teachers could be paid more appropriately as well.

[EFerrari]

37. You socialist zealot!

lol

Yeah, that would be my plan, too. The system as it stands is stupid.

[Johonny]

41. I get hungry at lunch time too

where's my free lunch? Seriously many people are more than happy to make or pay for their kids lunches. Free lunches for all is probably an overkill of the system.

[zeemike]

46. yes if they have the money.

But what is a kid to do...beg for change on the street to get lunch at school?
It is not about parents it is about kids and our responsibility to them no matter what their parents are like.