"If doctors are forced to provide abortions, many will leave the profession rather than do them."

[Stinky The Clown]

So said some moron on the local noozradio when asked abut the impact of Obama's plan to change the bushrool that protects the religious nuts.

My reply to that comment? Good. Let them leave. I ask only one thing. Make them hurry as they do so.

[theoldman]

1. There will always be another doctor to fill the void.

How about reducing the NEED for abortions. Doctors can help a lot on this problem and it will not be against their religious beliefs.

[dana_b]

5. now stop talking sense

what's the matter with you?

[Captain Hilts]

6. In rural areas there often are no spare doctors or pharmacists. nt

[damntexdem]

45. In rural areas, there are often no doctors or pharmacists at all.

Nor nurses, nor therapists, nor physicians assistants, ...

[havocmom]

67. And sadly, no mental health care resources

Bartenders being the closest thing. :eyes:

[Mad_Cow_Disease]

15. While I agree with giving people the choice of abortion...

I no not believe that any doctor (obgyn) should be forced to perform an abortion.
If a prolife doctro feels compelled to deny abortion service, then it's thier personal choice.
If a patient wants an abortion, there are clinics and other doctors willing to accomodate them.
I also feel that hospitals should not discriminate physicians hired based on abortion issues.

[Old and In the Way]

Can you name an instance when a Dr. was forced to give an abortion?

Doubtful. My uncle was a GP who delivered thousands of babies. He was devoutly Catholic and when he had women ask for an abortion on other than health reasons, he simply referred them to Dr's who would do them. This has never been an issue in the medical community, until Bush decided to make it one.

[polmaven]

23. Actually,

It MAY be against some or their religious beliefs. And to that I say...Oh well...Specialize in something else. Eliminate the need to MAKE that choice.

[Occam Bandage]

36. That is untrue. nt

[kestrel91316]

41. Wrong. There are probably thousands of communities across the country

that don't have a pro-choice OB-GYN to take up the slack when a christofascist OB-GYN won't do their job.

[havocmom]

68. over 85 miles to ANY doctor for me

And, haven't OB-GYNs been retiring for a couple decades owing to insurance costs?

[Donnachaidh]

2. It's the latest fearmongering line dance from republicans

"They'll LEAVE! The wealthy will LEAVE the country! The doctors will LEAVE the profession! The SKY is falling The Sky is falling!

It's more tantrums, complete with crying and snot bubbles. :shrug:

[hamsterjill]

42. Agree totally!

I don't think there are going to be that many doctors (i.e., science oriented professionals) who are going to oppose a medical procedure based on their religious preferences.

Certainly there will be some, but I don't think it would be the mass exodus that the Republicans would like us all to think it would be.

[Captain Hilts]

3. The Admin said they were moving 'cautiously' on this. DON'T BE CAUTIOUS

with women's health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cant trust em]

4. Will all doctors be forced to provide abortions?

It's not like all doctors have to provide open heart surgeries, so why wouldn't there just be doctors that specialize in abortions?

I don't know a lot about this issue.

[ima_sinnic]

34. exactly. This was never a problem before *--only certain drs offer them

If I need an abortion, I will ask for a referral to an abortion doctor, not walk into a general-care clinic and expect whoever is on duty to perform one.

[OhioChick]

7. After putting all that time and money into med school...

They won't leave. Not a chance.

[TechBear_Seattle]

8. I cannot imagine why a cardiologist, a phlebotomist, even a GP would be forced to provide abortions

:eyes:

[MountainLaurel]

10. Hey, don't go crazy and bring logic into this

:hi:

[TechBear_Seattle]

32. Sorry. It's a bad habit of mine. n/t

[Cant trust em]

11. Phlebotomist. That's a fun word to say. nt

[kestrel91316]

18. Phlebotomists aren't physicians. Not even close.

Cardiologists are not trained in abortion technique because it's not a part of cardiology. It IS a part of OB-GYN, so any OB-GYN who is unwilling to provide abortions will need to find another specialty. As they should. Works for me.

[TechBear_Seattle]

33. Should every last cardiologist be required to perform heart transplants?

Should every ophthamologist be required to perform Lasik?

Maybe it's just me being a gay man and not understanding the issue, but I don't see why any physician should be required to perform any procedure. Which would be worse: having OB-GYNs and no abortion providers in your state, or having no OB-GYNs because none of them are willing to also provide abortions?

[kestrel91316]

40. All OB-GYNs are trained in D&C and related techniques because these are used for

purposes OTHER THAN abortion, in addition to abortion. If they want to deny women necessary gynecological care based on their religious beliefs, they DO need to find another line of work.

[TechBear_Seattle]

46. D & C is rarely used to perform abortions

The issue is not that obstetricians and gynecologists are refusing to perform necessary patient care, but are refusing to perform a class of optional procedures.

[TahitiNut]

49. In GOP families, it's done by proctologists.

:silly:

[havocmom]

69. Nut, that would be BRAIN surgery, not abortions

:spank:

[AnneD]

9. Many more would provide the services....

if they knew their offices and cars would not be bombed.

Edited to note that only OB/GYNS could provide this service to women. The whole point of making them legal was to stop the back alley abortion butchery that happened to women. It is the fact that qualified and dedicated Doc's and Nurse Practitioner could legally do this that saved women's lives.

[baldguy]

12. Good. If they don't want to do the job, they should get a different one.

Goes the same for any profession.

What the American Taliban wants is - since they don't like it, they'll force everyone else to stop.

[Cerridwen]

13. Buh, bye.

I prefer my doctors operate from a position of science rather than "religion."

I don't care to worry that I'll be denied health care because it's against anyone's "religion."

Shall we allow doctors to refuse treatment for diseases that impact some "ethnic" groups more than others because their "sacred text" tells them that particular group is not one of "the chosen" or is "an 'abomination' unto their 'God'"?

Those doctors, pharmacists, and nurses who behave in this manner, may soon discover the "double edged sword" when they are denied the opportunity to pursue their careers because their "religion" may interfer with their ability to do their job.

[sharp_stick]

14. I'd like to find a doctor

being forced to provide abortions? They don't exist except in the minds of the whacko religious right.

[AnneD]

17. Let's stack 'em up in 2 rows......

The number of doc's forced to preform abortions against their will and the names of those that were kill trying to perform abortions or those killed because they preformed them. We will go easy and not count the number threatened of the number of threats received.

Now which row is the longest:think:

[kestrel91316]

16. No one will be FORCED to do anything. If they are unwilling to perform

their duties as OB-GYNs they can go into another specialty or go flip burgers for all I care.

[rocktivity]

19. And there will be plenty ready to replace them

There's a HUGE unemployment problem, dont'cha know. That dog won't hunt.

The way to reduce abortions is to reduce unwanted pregnancies. And the ways to reduce unwanted pregnancies are more birth control and less sex.

:evilgrin:
rocktivity

[Lost in CT]

20. OB-GYN's will not be forced to perform abortions. This is crap

They will have the same choice of what patients to treat and what procedures to do as they do now.

Don't feed into this nonsense.

[polmaven]

24. But will they be able to

practice their..their LOVE with their patients?

Oh, come on now...you KNEW that was coming, didn't you?

[SoCalDem]

26. They'll just go back to a once-lucrative practice of doing "D&C"s..

It's AMAZING how few D&Cs are done these days..ever since the early 70's, women's "parts" have stopped "needing" as many of those D&Cs..what a coinkeedink..

[spoony]

51. My problem is that a lot of posters

in the LBN thread, and some here as the OP, would be fine if it was true that doctors would be forced. Happily I trust that Obama is more reasonable than that.

[Lost in CT]

60. I couldn't agree more. This is not comparable to filling a prescription. nt

[Viking12]

21. "If accountants are forced to do math, many will leave the profession rather than do it.

[fed_up_mother]

44. Not the same thing. And most accountants do specialize and don't do certain

types of accounting.

[Viking12]

63. ..but they all do math, don't they?

[Warpy]

22. Good, let them specialize in other areas than women's reproductive health

because if they are too prissy to provide everything their patients require, then they belong with another patient group. Proctology calls.

I hope the door does smack 'em on the way out.

[SoCalDem]

25. Buh-byee..n/t

[librechik]

27. I heard that OUTRAGEOUS LIE

these people never stop. Obama is right, there is a conscience exception in the law already; the hairy brained loons who claim to be gynecologists but refuse to perform a d&c will not get in trouble, except for the fact that they are bad doctors. Wh on earth becomes a gyno-obstetricvian while being unwilling to help patients in every detail of care?

[rug]

28. What is the penalty if they refuse to participate in an abortion?

[madmom]

29. They were here before bush changed the rules, they'll be here after Obama changes them back!

[McCamy Taylor]

30. ROFLMAO

:rofl:

That is a good one!

You know any other jokes?

[Realityhack]

31. I don't know about forcing individual doctors to perform abortions.

I think perhaps a better policy would be a hospital must have the service available. If the brain surgeon doesn't want to do them I don't care. Same for the dermatologist or even the general practitioner. As long as the service is available.

Same for pharmacies. I have no problem if the policy is that any time the Pharmacy is open it must fill birth control. If only the one person is on... they MUST do it. If six people are on, fuck it I don't give a shit if they pass it off to someone else.

And if that makes people want to chose a different career I see it as the same as choosing not to become a stripper because you don't want to strip or not becoming a lifeguard because you are morally opposed to viewing bikinis.

[ima_sinnic]

37. no dr. will be "forced" to perform abortions

why was this never a problem before bush?
when one wanted an abortion, one asked for a referral to a dr. who performed them. I wouldn't walk into a general-care clinic and expect whoever is on duty to be qualified to perform an abortion, anymore than I would expect brain surgery to be performed by a general practitioner or dermatologist.
Not every ob/gyn dr. does abortions.

[Realityhack]

39. Right. The entire talking point is a boogie man.

I could see a requirement that hospitals have the service available though.
One way abortion rights are being assaulted is to deny availability. Hospital owner opposes it and refuses to make it available etc.
Anyway you are correct.

[lefty2000]

35. Good Riddance

A medical doctor must be a rationalist. There are doctors who base their treatments on superstition and myth, but they are called witch doctors. I would not want to be treated by a doctor who is not also a scientist. There is no revealed knowledge, and we have to look out for each other, and that includes the young, the ignorant, the female, and the pregnant.

[glitch]

38. They are hysterical, and not in a good way. nt

[fed_up_mother]

43. No one should be forced to perform an abortion or any other medical procedure

However, they should be forced to refer the patient to someone who can.

Saying "This doctor performs abortions" is simply factual information.

[Johonny]

47. will they be in the unemployment line

right next to the financial consultant that left his job rather than accept 400 K limit. Either way the issue isn't if all will be forced or not forced. Clearly no where near all doctors are even qualified to do them. Bushes policy prevented medical care based on anyone in the process including the person using the cash register. That's an insane policy.

[Bluebear]

48. Good. Leave the profession.

[dembotoz]

50. i would anticipate that when the doctors sees what his non doctor income would be

he(she) will be move open to the concept.

[mudesi]

52. What A Moronic OP

Good? Let them leave? Do you have any idea the number of qualified, professional doctors out there who you'd rather have leave because of their personal beliefs on ONE ISSUE? Think about that next time you break a bone or catch pneumonia.

God. The stupidity hurts.
:crazy:

[Stinky The Clown]

61. Hahahahaha

Asshole

[mudesi]

64. Nice Rebuttal

Guess I'm right, then.

[rucky]

53. but can they practice their love on the wimmins?

[dustbunnie]

54. Since all it is, is a reversal of Bush's relatively recently implemented nonsense -

Guess we'll just go back to functioning as we did a few years ago. However did we, and caregivers, survive "back then?" :eyes:

[Hekate]

55. Believe me, no one wants a hostile, untrained doc performing an abortion...

Doctors specialize, but don't they all have to do a season in each of the specialties, just so they're well-rounded?

In OB-GYN it should be a 100% requirement to learn how to do a D&C on a miscarrying woman and to learn the scientific truth about how Plan B is not an abortifacient. After that, a doc so pure (and stupid) as to be willing to let women die rather than interfere with Mother Nature should go do something else with his or her time, like be a battlefield surgeon or a podiatrist, something where they never have to see or even think about a woman's uterus.

I'm with you Stinky: don't let the door hit'em on the way out.

Hekate

[depakid]

56. These sorts of riducuous and dishonest comments are what you get without media regulation

It's the single greatest reason that Americans just grow dumber and dumber.

[wryter2000]

57. self delete

someone else thought of it first.

[4lbs]

58. Abortions have been fully legal for more than 30 years. I don't recall too many doctors leaving the

profession after Roe v. Wade was decided in January 1973.

[rebecca_herman]

59. doctors should get to choose what to specialize in, employees should get to decide who to hire

Some doctors in the OB-GYN speciality decide in the end not to deliver babies. Some decide not to do abortions. Some decide not to manage high-risk pregnancies. I don't really see the difference, as long as they are honest from the start and refer the patient to another doctor providing the particular service. If they are working for someone else, such as a hospital, then the employer should be able to decide what is an essential part of the job - if they want a doctor who will perform medically neccesary abortions, or any abortions, they can decide that as a condition of employment. But a doctor in private practice should be able to decide what they want to do. Even within specialties some doctors choose not to perform certain surgeries or any surgeries and if their patient needs a surgical procedure, they are referred elsewhere.

[MadMaddie]

62. They won't have to do abortions if they start educating their

patients in using contraceptives and safe practices.

[Roadless]

65. I personally know several OBGYN who don't even think about it

They look at it as a technical procedure, nothing more, nothing less. Like a car mechanic changing the oil.

[COLGATE4]

66. There is already Federal law in place

that prohibits making anyone perform an abortion against their will/beliefs. This latest outrage is a smokescreen, one that many DUers are buying into. The Bush rule was intended to let Pharmacists not dispense the Morning After Pill, or birth control, etc. THAT is the outrage the Obama rule change is intended to correct. The Federal law against compelling partipation in an abortion stays on the books, and Obama has said he does not intend to challenge it!