King County Cops Beat Up On 15 Year Old Girl

[norepubsin08]

This is typical of most cops. A 15 year old girl arrested on suspicion of auto theft, was book into a private holding cell..as the cop was leaving she yelled at him, he yelled back and then she flipped her shoe at him. The response? Both cops flew at her slammed her against the wall, knocked her to the ground, punch her, handcuffed her and then pulled her up from the floor by her hair.

The bigger problem with this is that this in not the first, nor the second, nor the third time that one of these cops was involved in a violent act. In 2000 he shot some one in the line of duty. In 2004 he got into an altercation while on duty and in 2005 was in a traffic altercation while off duty, pulled his service revolver and shot the person he was arguing with. It was ruled justifiable by a lemming like star chamber inquest.

I only hope the county gets rid of people like him..but they won't...fucking cops all stick together and cover for each other.

[FreakinDJ]

1. got link

[spindrifter]

2. Check out the raw video of the incident:

http://www.komonews.com/home/video/40437097.html?video=pop&t=a


I do not agree that "all" cops are like this, nor that they all stick together--a lot do--but most won't tolerate someone who behaves like the guy in the video--too risky.

[norepubsin08]

3. I used to think that way too

but more and more it's gotten that way...much of it encouraged by mob mentality from shows like COPS and all the prison shows on MSNBC

[FreakinDJ]

6. Nope - that is the way Cops are

[pnwmom]

22. "Purportedly showing"??? That's a laugh. What idiots these cops were, on top

of being abusers -- to do this in plain view of the camera.

[cabluedem]

38. With the exception of detectives most cop are thugs in a blue suit. nt

[norepubsin08]

45. I couldn't agree more!

[backscatter712]

54. What do you mean "except detectives"

Remember Mark Fuhrman?

[TWiley]

57. Edit it into an example of "Law and Order Republicans"

Their pary ran on that platform not long ago. In Michagan, Governor Pot-Hole Engler spent, spent, spent on the police / legal / prison system. Now, they run it like a business, and it has been privatized in many areas outside our state.

[norepubsin08]

95. That's also part of the problem

anytime we take a social problem and turn it into a business, people always lose!

[Sewsojm]

4. Disgusting,

Now she'll be charged with assaulting an officer for flipping her shoe at him and whatever else they can think up. I hope that cop gets fired but as usual he'll get a paid vacation and a Atta Boy!!

[DKRC]

5. Who knows what they did to her in the hallway!

:wow:



:nuke:

[norepubsin08]

7. No Kidding!

[Liberal_in_LA]

8. More video here: Aftermath when she's seeing medic

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattle911/archives/163025.asp?from=blog_last3

[Liberal_in_LA]

10. Deputy Paul Schene - the brave cop who kicks a 15 yr girl in the stomach charged with 4th deg assaul

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/401618_schene27.html

Friday, February 27, 2009
Last updated 11:55 a.m. PT

Deputy pleads not guilty in assault on girl
By LEVI PULKKINEN
P-I REPORTER

A King County sheriff's deputy accused of kicking a 15-year-old girl in the stomach pleaded not guilty Thursday to the fourth-degree assault charge he faces.

Deputy Paul Schene, who appeared in King County Superior Court to enter the plea, was charged in the incident last week following an investigation by the department. The gross misdemeanor carries a maximum penalty of one year in jail.

[norepubsin08]

12. That's bullshit it should be a felony

with an added enhancement for acting while on duty..what would the charge have been had it been the girl who did that to the cop..probably attempted first degree murder...

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. He is on his way to loosing job and probably prison

cop in prison... that always ends well

[norepubsin08]

14. He'll get no more that a year, that's jail

he'll be in isolation in the county jail and be pampered and protected by his "brothers" in blue

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Pampered and protected, okay if you think so

point is HE IS GETTING TO GO SEE THE JUDGE

Accept it, you were wrong

And fer the bloody record, he is... like all people he's arrested... innocent until proven guilty, even if that tape is quite damning

There is more... every case he's been involved in, EVERY ONE, is at risk now

So what about the possible murderer that he might have arrested that should be in jail too? No problem if that person walks?

Or the white collar criminal?

I wish people were able to get over their hate of certain professions

But hey, you are one of those persons that I know that would rather abolish the police since all cops are bad, and we don't need any form of law enforcement, the really radical ones don't want fire and EMS either

Free clue, for the clueless NOT ALL COPS ARE BAD, just like not all civies are good... GET IT?

[dansolo]

58. Isn't that the point?

When a bad cop acts in this manner, he undermines the entire police department and the work of all of the good cops. It should be the responsibility of the good cops to purge out the bad cops. Sadly, more often they will shield and defend them.

[Leftist Agitator]

29. "cop in prison... that always ends well"

Yep. Usually with horrific beatings on a daily basis, with an occasional anal rape thrown in for good measure.

Where did I put that thing again? Oh Yeah, here it is!

:nopity:

[cabluedem]

39. He isnt going to prison. Even Sean Bell's killer cops walked as free men. nt

[paulsby]

72. he CAN'T

go to prison since he is charged with (and the evidence only supports) assault IVth degree, which is a misdemeanor. he can go to jail, though.

[norepubsin08]

96. that's too bad

[norepubsin08]

47. O well tough shit

I have no patience for arrogant violent cops...I have a family member killed by a cop in a domestic dispute and he pretty much got off, because of the crooked prosecutor and judge..did a lousy six years in prison and that was all...then a cracker town down south hired him until he was exposed as a felon (worked for them 16 years...long enough to draw a partial pension out of it).

[paulsby]

32. except

the rule of law can't make it a felony, despite what it "should" be because the prosecutors office follows the revised code of WA.

read up on Assault IV, Assault III, Assault II and Assault I.

he committed Assault IV. a misdemeanor.

at least imo. the trial hasnt happened yet, but the video is pretty frigging damning

[spindrifter]

67. If the girl had "significant" bruising it can be Assault 2--

Significant is for the jury to decide--not a medical question.

[paulsby]

71. not really

i've charged DOZENS of assault II's and assault IV.

the standard for assault II 9a.36.021 1(a)

is SUBSTANTIAL harm.

i have had more than one discussion with prosecutors about what this means because we have to decide all the time what kind of assault to file.

i recently had a case where a guy lifted a 65 yr old woman up by the seat of the pants and flung her through the air, she landed on the ground, split her head open and received over a dozen of staples in her head, spent the night in the hospital and according to the nurse - could have died.

THAT was assault II.

this case is a "garden variety" assault IV. i've charged many like it.

substantial injury, according to my discussions with the violent crimes prosecutor involves either broken bones, an injury that impairs a vital bodily function (like if a black eye swells up so much the person cannot see out of it) or other such injury.

substantial is the word and there is ample case law and filing standards abou it.

simply put, it is not a matter of what people think SHOULD be the charge. the charge HAS to fit the fact pattern and the evidence.

and no, substantial injury is NOT a question for the jury (non-medical laypeople). it actually has to be verified by a medical professional which is why we have people sign a medical release. the standard would be for a MD to testify that the "victim received a radial fracture of the humerus" in order to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the injury was "substantial"

[DKRC]

19. And where the hell is the female officer that should be there?!

This girl has just been beaten up by Deputy Dickless, all these men in uniform surrounding her, & not ONE female officer or jailer on the scene.

Bullshit!

[norepubsin08]

49. No kidding

who knows what those cops did to her when the camera's weren't looking.

[PM Martin]

9. When the deputy gets fired.

the county won't have to pay his bloated pension/salary.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

11. Exacly. That srupid union member won't get his benifits

Who do they think they are? Management?

[cabluedem]

40. Then he will pick up where he left off at another cop shop. nt

[norepubsin08]

50. That's good because if this girl does it right

the county is gonna have to pay for a big fat lawsuit and it's resulting economic damages!

[Quantess]

15. I feel so safe to know that cops in my county are protecting me from shoe-throwing 15 yr old girls.

Those brave cops. I'm so proud to live in King county now.

[norepubsin08]

16. I have a daughter and she's flipped her shoes off

in a psuedo flippant attitude and the most I've done is growl at her to straighten up...this is just sick...mother fucking cops almost all of them are arrogant assholes who feel they can get away with just about anything..the only reason this is coming to light is because there was a camera...otherwise those other cops would have stuck with him and hung that girl out to dry...you can't trust cops!!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. You realize that camera was installed by the POLICE DEPARTMENT?

Like oh all those nasty patrol car cameras?

You know why they are there?

No you don't so I will splain this to you

Those cameras are there for your protection, my protection (see this case) and the cop's protection

In this case it captured behavior that will probably land him in jail

IN other cases it protects cops when their lovely guests actually assault them... yes that happens too.

[ColesCountyDem]

20. Ex-cop here, and you're correct on ALL counts.

It's a rare coin indeed that doesn't have two sides.

:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Served along side PDs for many years in EMS

I WISH I had a camera handy a couple times, if ye get my drift

[cabluedem]

41. Have an EMT friend that says the cops routinely steal from homes during a medical emergency. nt

[norepubsin08]

48. That doesn't surprise me

most cops think they're God and think they can get away with just about anything.

[mwooldri]

79. Exactly!

I wish some days I could pull the COPS over for speeding. If they're not on a call, or on duty, then guess what? That speed limit applies to them just as much as it applies to me.

[pnwmom]

23. But how stupid were these cops to do this in front of the cameras?

It makes me wonder what they'd be capable of if they didn't know there was a camera on them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. That my dear is a textbook example of blue rage

a real problem

otherwise known as contempt of cop

Two things will happen here,

1.- Cop is off the force, regardless... PR whatever
2.- Cop will see judge, and perhaps see jail time

Incidentally all charges against the 15 year old are off
and as part of all this mess, I can bet an enterprising lawyer will get that kid college paid for by King County sheriffs... yep, they will settle out of court or if they want to go all the way, civilian court... so a million or two may be in play here. If she plays her cards right, she's mostly set for life. And that is a good thing

Now here is number two comes in

Like many other tapes of this type this one will make it into the all time greatest at police academies across the country as to what you don't do and what you don't let your partner do... Aka becomes a teaching aid for future officers... and hopefully will help reduce the problem of cop rage

And for your sake and mine, I hope the problem goes down with proper education.

Our local department, they used to have a heck of a problem with that. Between these tapes used as training aides and the civilian review board, that has gone down to almost none

Though they need cameras, they want cameras and the city cannot afford them. Why they want the cameras, run the tape, textbook example, why? Every so often the use of force you saw is actually appropriate, when they are for real assaulted. IN this case, it was abuse of force, way abuse of force. Proper response, close the damn door, after throwing the shoe back in.

[pnwmom]

25. Thanks for the education!

If I understand you correctly, you're saying they have these cameras so that cops can show that they handled themselves correctly -- and that any force used was appropriate. And they are counting on the police to behave appropriately.

I heard about this tape from a conservative elderly relative who would normally be on the side of the police. Now that I've watched it, I understand why she was so appalled. This girl's body language before the attack was so innocuous. She crossed her arms and flipped her a tennis shoe off. All they should have done was shut the door.

[norepubsin08]

27. My fear exactly

[norepubsin08]

97. they're not even thinking about the camera at that point

they're just pissed that some one challenged their authority!

[norepubsin08]

26. Yes, only after civillian pressure

in response to many other incidents like this reported and swept under the rug. I had a relative shot by a cop he and she were in a domestic dispute...his first response..."I'm a cop, couldn't have been my fault"

[paulsby]

34. AND

as soon as the investigator discovered the evidence on video, a supervisor was notified and he was investigated, and charged.

so, contrary to some claims, cops do not always cover up. in this case, an honest cop came forward and that is why he is now facing charges.

justifiably so imo.

he went overboard. i have taught firearms and use of force.

[norepubsin08]

94. Only after pressure from the cuommunity

in response to a lot of other cop abuse

[Leftist Agitator]

28. delete

It's wrong for me to wish ill, even on pigs.

[orleans]

30. ooh--what real men they must be to beat up on a teenager

their dicks must be embarrassingly small that they have to overcompensate like this.

[paulsby]

31. try getting the facts right

"2005 was in a traffic altercation while off duty, pulled his service revolver and shot the person he was arguing with. It was ruled justifiable by a lemming like star chamber inquest."

um, no.

first of all, just for the record, i think in the current incident, he appears guilty as fuck. but i am referring to this above falsehood you posted.

1) he was not off duty. he was on duty and transporting an arrestee to jail. he pulled over a reckless driver on the way to jail
2) it was not a "service revolver". i work as a cop in WA state. nobody carries revolvers anymore.
3) he was not 'arguing' with the person. according to him, AND the prisoner in his back seat as well as other witnesses, he was attacked by the driver and was fighting for his life on the sid eof the road. the guy ran back towards the car, despite orders to stop and when he reached in, the cop shot him

this is all available on news reports. your facts aren't even close.

do i think THIS incident is justified? no. i think it's criminal. but your facts are all wrong.

[pnwmom]

35. Thanks for your input.

I'm glad you agree that this officer's behavior with the girl was criminal. But I'm also wondering about his partner -- the one who helped hold her down while the officer punched her. Is the partner also liable, do you think? How should this work? From the news reports, it sounds like only the one officer is in trouble now.

[paulsby]

36. based on my knowledge of the law

the partner is not CRIMINALLY liable , at least from what i saw.

certainly he could be civilly liable and/or be disciplined by his agency.

the prosecutors went with the strong case and will likely use the other cop as a witness.

the partner would essentially have to know or reasonably suspect the other cop was going to do those blows before he held her down. heck, he could argue he was holding her down to protect her since he had just thrown the girl on to the ground, etc.

i am sure the prosecutors looked long and hard at the video, statements etc. before deciding to only charge the one cop.

it's a tactical as well as evidentiary decision

[pnwmom]

42. Thanks, paulsby. One more question?

Is there a reason there's no audio with the video? I would think an audio version would answer a lot of questions -- for example, I'd like to know if the 2nd officer was telling him to stop.

Oh -- and one more. It seemed odd to me that when the medics were there, it was just the young girl and four men, including the three medics who were taking turns examining her. Is it acceptable procedure to examine a female without another female present? Especially when the girl had just been abused by another male officer? In the tape, she looked like she was having trouble breathing -- she was probably almost hysterical. Wouldn't her mental state be worse without another woman there?

[paulsby]

51. answers

the reason there is no audio is that WA is a two party consent state. w/o either a warrant or consent, it would be illegal to audio record the cell or booking room. there is an argument it doesn't applt to speech between cops and civilians since that is not "private speech" which the statute references, but thats's debatable.



this law applies to civilians and cops.

there is no law requiring a female be present. this was a temporary holding cell, not the actual juvenile jail (where both women and men are present)
it is acceptable procedure to examine a female w/o a female present and a male without a male present.

not every aid crew has women

it may be true that it might have calmked her down to have a female present... or not. depends on the individual.

[norepubsin08]

44. Sounds to me like you're an apologist for cops

just ask David's Brame's in-laws what happens when you don't put on check on cop rage!

[paulsby]

52. sounds to me

like you have difficulty with reading comprehension.

please cite where i was an apologist for BAD cops.

i have said unequivocally that this incident appears to be a criminal assault.

[tanngrisnir3]

69. You will find, as I have here, that people in law enforcement are often...

ridiculed and purposefully misrepresented.

Every cop I know has the greatest distaste for crooked/criminal cops, as do I, as was trained into me and them.

[paulsby]

74. thanks

yes, i have found that the same peeps who would be horrified at broad brush stereotyping of various other demographics feel free to malign cops in general because of the misconduct of the criminal few.


i see the discussion like this

Poster: he committed assault and he also probably garrots baby bunnies and clearly all his past shootings are unjustified because he is such an obvious jerk

me: um, this appears to be a pretty blatant criminal assault, but i see no evidence to support that his past shootings were bad, or that he garrots baby bunnies

Poster: you are a cop apologist!!!!

:)

[tuckessee]

86. How many crooked criminal cops have your pals reported?

Ask 'em next time. I guarantee you anybody on the force longer than a year knows of several acts of malfeasance ranging from the mundane to the seriously criminal.

Odds are, your cop pals haven't done a damn thing to stop any of them.

[tanngrisnir3]

88. Since you asked, I've been through a three IA investigations of other officers

As a witness, testifying once.

Unless you are or were a cop, your guarantee here is worthless.

I know exactly what I'm talking about here.

Do you?

[Chulanowa]

33. I'm just going to say what I always say to this sort of thing...

[norepubsin08]

46. Ha ha very funny

too bad this issue isn't funny at all...there's a good chance that this guy will back in a blue suit to beat up or kill people again!

[Norrin Radd]

37. Shocking, but not surprising. We've all lot of authoritarian freaks

among our police, here.

[norepubsin08]

43. No Kidding

I've been saying that for years now!

[backscatter712]

53. When school bullies grow up, they become police officers.

You thought they grew up and chilled out, didn't you?

No, some junior high bullies don't grow up at all - they just find a line of work that allows them to keep deriving pleasure from humiliating and hurting people.

Back in school, the worst they could do is give you a black eye and take your lunch money. But back then, you could throw a punch and stand up for yourself, and the worst you'd get is after-school detention.

Now, they can put you in the hospital, throw you in jail, destroy your life, or just kill you on the spot. And you can't stand up to them - they'll draw their service weapons and shoot you 78 times "in self defense".

And what happens to them 99% of the time when they pull this shit? Absolutely nothing. Maybe a paid vacation suspension, or a sternly worded letter, followed by a private pat on the back, maybe a promotion. The people who file complaints? The cops target them and ruin their lives.

Someone's gotta say it.

ALL COPS ARE PIGS!!!

Even the "good" ones. You ever see a video where a police officer actually arrests a fellow cop for an act of abuse or brutality? Or even lifts a hand? I've never seen one. Can't cross the blue line and go up against your fellow officers, can you? Why you'd be labeled a "serpico". We all know what happens to them - the same thing that happened to the original Frank Serpico...

Never trust a cop. Never.

[TWiley]

55. Which State? n/t

[Quantess]

56. Washington.

[TWiley]

59. Thats what I thought .... wasn't that the Green River Killer area?

[Quantess]

66. It's better known for being the Seattle area,

but yes, The Green River Killer lived in Kent and solicited his victims from Seatac, which are in King County. Just south of Seattle.

[Quantess]

85. You inspired me to look up a map of King County:

I've only lived here a short while, and I'm astonished to see how massive King County is, not only in geographical size, but in population. I was thinking about how the Green River Killer dumped his victims all over the outskirts of Seattle, but now that I see the map, the fact that most of the bodies were found in King county makes more sense to me.

[Mollis]

60. That poor girl...

Looking at the "after" video, she looks like she is in a lot of pain.
That guy needs some serious anger management, especially if he has acted out before. Oh, and he needs his ass fired. And..maximum time in jail, even if it is just a year.

[Liberal_in_LA]

61. The fact that the medics conveniently found her not injured prevents it from rising to a felony.

It's like they all in it to protect each other.

[Mollis]

63. Ugh. That makes me mad.

It's very obvious on the video that she was hurt in some way. And most likely hysterical. It looks like the cops didn't care at all...they just kept walking up to her, talking, then walking away.

:grr:

[Liberal_in_LA]

64. Cops thought they'd gotten away with beating. 4 months later it's ALL over the web

I mean, it's EVERYWHERE.

[Mollis]

65. I'm glad it's everywhere.

Definently. They should never get away with anything like that.
I'm that girl's size...maybe smaller. It's a scary thing to see.:scared:

[TWiley]

90. That makes me furious. Arrest the medics for purjury.

[upi402]

77. Yeah, the cop probably hit her in the hair

Convenient. I can't understand why folks on YouTube are blaming her. Makes me furious. No wonder 'merica is so willing to support fascists Republicans.

[Darth_Kitten]

62. So all police are crooked and all 15 year old girls accused of auto theft are saints?

Like that 15 year old girl in my city who thought the fact she killed an innocent man was hilarious. :eyes:

[Vehl]

68. What has that got to do with the issue?

Who said that the 15 year old is a angel and/or sinner? it has no relevance to the matter at hand.


she could have been a car thief and that would have nothing to do with the issue we are all talking about here. The issue is that she was assaulted in custody by a police officer. your arguments seems to insinuate that just because she might be a criminal we ought to not take this seriously.


from what ive seen happen in the past few years(many cases like this) this video comes as not surprise to me; albeit it does make me shudder to think the pain that girl had to undergo :(


I believe that the penalty for a police officer behaving this way ought to be much much higher than what is for a non-police person. Policemen are required to uphold the law and if they do not perform as intended then it would create a huge problem for everyone. Think what would happen in the future if a person accuses a police officer of beatings while in custody. would the judge throw it away because there was no "proof" or would the judge have to consider the fact that it might have happened even if there was no proof?
such doubt would totally ruin the legal system of the country. This reminds me of the incident in which two policemen shot an elderly women covered it up by planting drugs!....and also of the recent BART incident where a cop shoots a man in the back.


Ex-Atlanta cops sentenced in deadly botched raid
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/24/2471879-ex-atlanta-cops-sentenced-in-deadly-botched-raid?threadId=510240



I would suggest that we ought to push for laws that would have double or triple sentences for crimes committed by police officers vis-a-vis those by the civilian populous. This would force the Police to conduct themselves in a fitting manner. If not it would be the classic case of the guard-dog preying on the sheep.

[upi402]

76. The girl stealing a car, or some non-related crime of a different girl - has zero relevance

I agree. People on YouTube are commenting as if she deserved this because she may have done something wrong. It's this tit-for-tat cycle of justified violence that needs to be nipped. Or we get sick people like the abusive cops here.

What justifies beatings? She stole a car and flicke a shoe? Anyone that doesn't see this as abuse, and therefore wrong, is sick. And this is worse. A 200 lb cop beats a 90 girl while face down on the ground while a 2nd 200 lb cop holds her down too???

wtf kind of world is this when people don't condemn this on its face? Sick.

[Vehl]

78. exactly

people who try to "justify" this in any way do not understand that they are comparing apples and oranges..nah..in fact they are trying to connect two TOTALLY different issues which do not have any connection whatsoever.


if they still do not grasp why these two things are not related to each other; they might have to retake their critical reading/thinking classes :)

[Darth_Kitten]

81. n/t

nah.

[Darth_Kitten]

83. Oh, I don't know, everybody on DU can have an opinion or two........

I mean, it's ALLOWED.

There is always a tendency to bash the police and portray suspects like sweet little innocents. Sorry if my opinion bothers you. I mean, why bring up a case or cases I keep constantly having to read in my daily newspaper. So, so, so, sorry.

Maybe it would be better if I spent time in those critical thinking courses, then I could really impress you someday.

[Vehl]

84. of course, the more the merrier :)

i am a firm supporter of people having different opinions:). surely it would be folly to expect everyone to think alike.
what i pointed out was that the girl being a suspected car thief had no relevance to her being beaten up by the cops.


pray do enlighten me as to how your line of reasoning is different from that of the bush government with regards to torturing terror suspects?. torture is acceptable/should not be as dreadful as it ought to be because those who were being tortured are terrorists?


there is a huge difference between a civilian committing a criminal act and a policeman committing it.it erodes the law and order system.

you are; of course encouraged to have ur own opinion; but just because you "assumed" that people have been bashing police; you need not come up with an untenable argument IMHO.

[TWiley]

91. merrier rhymes with derrier and we all know what that is

[Name removed]

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[Darth_Kitten]

75. Your intelligence and maturity ASTOUND me.

:eyes:

[norepubsin08]

100. Before you go denigrating other DU posters

and making value judgments about their posts, perhaps you might like to find out why they think that way..they may have had a bad experience (s) with the cops..like me, a cop off duty killed a relative of mine while he was arguing in a domestic situation and then in the investigation all the cops stuck together...all he got was a few years and then was hired on to a small town police force-

[Threedifferentones]

73. No

More police are mean than nice and even 15 year old auto thefts ought not to be beaten for throwing a shoe in a cell.

I know, its hard for some authoritarian types to accept that you can't just go around acting like Eric Cartman on a "respect mah authoritah" spree, even when dealing with desperate juveniles.

You mean I can't beat a prisoner for looking at me wrong or chucking a shoe?! Then how am I supposed to have fun with this job? I thought that when I caught a poor person breaking a law it was my job to teach them their place! It's just people like Bernie Madoff we have to treat with respect, after all his taxes pay our salaries!

I know the value of our justice system, Darth Kitten. I am glad I have never really worried about having to forcibly defend myself or my belongings on a daily basis, and I thank cops for that. Nonetheless, it is undeniable that the police profession attracts more bullies than helpful people.

Moreover, it seems pretty clear that the "powers that be" like police that way. Although our justice system keeps many of us safe, it also exists largely to maintain America's gross disparity of wealth and power.

If police were genuinely nice on the whole, they would not be much use to rich people when the riots start, because the truth is legal and moral are not the same, except for authoritarian assholes.

In case you have not noticed, it is a rare cop who is willing to ponder where the law ends and morality begins. For them might makes right and morality consists of rules. Moreover, if you are poor, you had better accept the fact that a cops word IS LAW, or you will be in trouble.

This is why people are so disgusted by cops, and it's pretty much the truth.

[norepubsin08]

98. this isn't even imho real auto theft

she's accused of using her moms car with out permission...not quite the same as hot wiring a car you see ion a parking lot with no intention of bringing it back.

[norepubsin08]

80. Just found out that this cop

was stopped for DUI and plead to it and was given a deferred sentence.

[Prometheus Bound]

82. To be fair, the police officers showed a lot of courage.

I mean there were only two of them and the girl could have been over 80 pounds. The one fat pig took her down all by himself and it only took two of the porkers to hold her down while pummeling her. That took guts. They didn't even have to call for back up. But now they can brag about it at the local bar how they beat the shit out of a vicious criminal without having to use weapons.

[norepubsin08]

99. I love it! Good response...my sentiments exactly

[flvegan]

87. "This is typical of most cops." Really?

That's quite the broad brush you have there.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

89. Link to the 401,000 cases of other officers doing this, please.

[TWiley]

92. Arrest the medics that said she was not injured

Those bastards are very bit as guilty as the pigs

[norepubsin08]

93. No kidding!!!!

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

101. What would you charge them with?

They should be reported to the State Board of EMS. They'll likely lose their licenses if they are reported.

David

[norepubsin08]

102. Obstruction of justice

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

103. Okay, I don't think it would meet the criteria for indictment, I'm not a lawyer though.

[norepubsin08]

105. It possibly could

depends on judge and jury and how it would be presented on appeal.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

106. Conspiracy is the only charge that might stick.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

104. Still waiting on that link....