I Have To Say That I Was Wrong About The Dems re: Iraq

[BayCityProgressive]

I am very excited and suprised this bill was defeated in the senate and it looks as the Bushler will now have to veto a troop spending bill! I was in favor of the Kucinich, Woolsey plan (and still am) because I figured this watered down bill would still never pass the senate and that would be the end of it. I am totally surprised that this passed and will make Bushler tank in public opinion when he vetoes it. This could give our reps more courage to go for something stronger. I had totally lost faith in the party leadership and DLC Dems (hey who can blame me? They ruin almost anything that makes them an effective opposition!) but FOR ONCE it looks like they may have smashed Bushler a good one, right in the face! This is a HUGE defeat for Bush and a victory for progressives! I believe that with the Progressive Caucus being the largest caucus in the congress, and new progressives and even a socialist in our Senate..the Left may actually regain some of it's voice again.

[Duer 157099]

1. But did it pass? I thought this was just about the amendment

Has the *actual* spending bill itself been voted on yet?

[BayCityProgressive]

2. no

but I am willing to bet if it was allowed to go this far it is going to Bush.

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Cochran said it looked like the psycho was going to have to veto it to stop it. He's a repuke.

My guess is, it's gonna pass.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

4. You're correct

That was the amendment to remove the withdrawal plan. They've said they don't expect the R's to have the votes to stop the this from passing, however. If that is true or not remains to be seen.

[patrice]

5. So the amendment to remove the withdrawal plan is Out. What about

Webb's amendment, to restrict funding for or related to Iran?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

10. They voted no on removing the withdrawal wording. So it's still in.

I don't know if they've voted on Webb's yet.

[patrice]

11. I called today, but will call earlier tomorrow.

Does it help any to fax and email also? Do they track duplicate contacts? Or does everything just go into file 13 un-analyzed unless it's got money paper-clipped to it.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

17. Personally, I fax and call

I think the more personal contact of a call is best, but I also like the idea of the paper of a fax so I do both.

[patrice]

18. Yes, I think both of those are better than email.

Both it is!

[MissWaverly]

19. I think it's true they will let it slide

Remember the only thing the Repukes can hear is the sound of money, Ka-ching, they are not
hearing the cash register running up contributions for McCain, they are thinking of their
own campaign funds, they don't want to go the same way McCain is going with lack of financial support for his 08 campaign.

[patrice]

3. The whole thing depends upon how well we keep the pressure on.

For that we need the Left (from moderate to extreme) to hang in there!! The middle to right can't do it by themselves.

[scarletwoman]

6. The bill hasn't passed yet. Today's vote was on an amendment introduced by a Republican

to delete the "timetable" provisions that were passed in the House.

This particular amendment was defeated, there are still MANY steps to go before a final version of the bill is up for a vote.

sw

[cali]

7. Thanks.

I honestly think that Pelosi and Reid know what they're doing. And you're right this is a huge defeat for bush if it passes. It seesm that it will: McConnell has publically state that he won't oppose it, and will leave it to asshole to veto. In other words: He's punting it to the WH.

[Justice Is Comin]

8. Now you see the importance of the House bill.

They were put in a box after the passage of that vote. Murtha and Obey knew what they were doing.

[Cameron27]

9. I just heard it in an MSNBC news brief.

Bush stands alone now.

edited: Not alone. Bush + McCain (Lieberman?)

[patrice]

12. You all know your Congress Critters are going on break next week?

Should be home making excuses; let's get out there and corner them!!

[NNN0LHI]

13. Takes a person with class to admit when they are wrong. I admire that n/t

[tom_paine]

14. And I was wrong, as well. Patience is required for the system to work.

I know we are all sick of being patient, because we 10%ers were hep to these criminal punks from Day One.

But the Dems were just given control of House and Senate, and given the mood of the country and the now repeated vote-stealing, blocking and stuffing strategies the Busheviks have employed and continue to employ, by just how much did the Dems have to REALLY win by to get that "56-44%" popular vote spread. I postulate it was more like 63-37% and the difference is the now-customary "thumb on the scale" (as someone else called it) of 4-7% and perhaps more in elections the Busheviks REALLY want to win.

Point is: the power to investigate is only a few months old, the Dems have already exposed stuff and they have hardly even begun. They could so very easily have MOST OR ALL the goods on these bastards, and they yet might depending on how much guts and fortitude they have when the bodies start piling up, both metaphorically (mostly metaphorically) and actually (more Wellstonings, and the very real threat, IMHO, of LIHOP#2 or MIHOP #2, to try to save themselves and implement the police state they have come so very close to constructing, ready to trigger after the next horrible tragedy).

The system may yet still work. It is working and moving forward. We must give it time before we judge. Someone here mentioned the pace of Watergate was tremendously slow, also, and did not really look like it was going to be a successful restoration of the Rule of Law until the very end...when it was (the pardons and the aftermath of not fully investigating and prosecuting notwithstanding, which is another tragedy in itself).

Right now, from where I am sitting, the System is working at it's expected pace, for a deliberative bicameral Congress in a democratic-republic.

We cannot yet know to what extent the law will be reestablished in this case. Ford's pardons cheated the American People of the ability to fully restore the Rule of Law to the Executive Branch, and the totalitarian America-hating Cheneys and Rumsfelds and Poppy Augutuses (Augustii?) respawned the network of evil that the Prescott Bush and the Dulles Brothers spawned, which Nixon ran until his inept end. The question is: Did he REALLY run it? Or was he like Ronald Reagan, a senile puppet of this evil cabal (who's only friend in that entire adminitsration was Don Regan, who was GONE by 1984...Poppy ran the country since at least 1984)

And LOOK at the Un-American abomination that our beautiful nation has become under the latest metastatization of that Cancer on the Presidency (indeed, on our entire American way of life as the Founding Fathers envisioned it) that was left uninvestigated and untouched by the Ford Pardons.

Look at what we have become under Lil' Boots.

But look at me. here I am, counseling patience with the Dems and the System as I begin to work myself into the inevitable froth which screams "WHY WON'T THE DEMS GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND IMPEACH THESE BASTARDS?"

:rofl: :wtf:

It's hard to be patient with a ponderous Constitutional System especially after all this tragedy, horror, and danger of living in what might have been (and still be, if we cannot stop these people) a nascent "New Totalitarian" State.

But that is exactly what I am counseling...to myself as much as to everyone else.

Patience

[mzmolly]

20. Kick ass post,

for lack of a better description. ;)

:toast:

[bigtree]

16. .

:kick:

[mzmolly]

21. One more recommendation BCP.

:kick: