Just met some woman who will have all 3 sons in Iraq & she's so proud.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

gag! Her poor 17 year old son is signed up to go and she was acting proud and happy about it. "He's following in his brother and the rest of the families footsteps."

My friend said "oh-oh Jane this woman is a Republican and likes Bush."

The lady interjected "I'm from a military family so I like Bush. They're fighting for our country."

I told her they were supposedly fighting for Iraq and not for us.

I found out later that this woman is really religious and "Has faith that everything will be ok." We'll see how she feels a few years from now when they're killed or they come home to no benefits, etc. Of course, people like that are so blind I guess she'll never see that they are just being used as little pawns in Dumbya's little war.

[Captain Hilts]

1. What is the total number of kids of cabinet members and WH staff in Iraq? nt

[madeline_con]

2. What's with that "military family" crap?

I've heard that onee before, like it's code for crazy repugs or something. :shrug:

[cynatnite]

9. It's not crap...

I come from a military family. We were a military family when hubby and I both were in the army.

[madeline_con]

14. Let me rephrase.

How come the only time I've heard it was from RW DUH-bya worshippers who think we needed to go to Iraq because of the WTC and Pentagon bombings?

I know what "military family" is supposed to mean. :eyes:

[cynatnite]

17. I know what you meant n/t

[Truthiness Inspector]

3. What's the problem?

Her sons volunteered to serve, and she is proud of them.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't, eh? Brainwashed or chickenhawks with no personal investment seems to be the only two choices according to some.

Sorry, but this woman is absolutely entitled to be proud of her kids and their choice. Not your place nor mine to bash that family for putting their money where their mouths are, so to speak.

[Contrary1]

8. I agree...

I wish we had only volunteers in the Middle East.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

11. I think it's sad that a naive 17 year old kid is being "pushed" into it.

and for a war that makes no sense. In addition - for a mother to be grinning and happy her kids are in a very dangerous place. If I were a mother with kids there I would be terrified instead of getting off on how they were all some tough guys.

To me it was just surreal that this woman was all happy and smiling while her kids are in danger.

[Truthiness Inspector]

13. How do you know the 17 yr old was "pushed"?

You also mention that the mother is "getting off" on her sons being "tough guys."

Did you ever consider that her family respects service to this country, and she is proud of her family, no "getting off" or "tough guys" involved, unless that is your general opinion of all service members and their families.

[madeline_con]

18. "... service to this country..." ??????????????

The asswipes in charge have commandeered the military to do their bidding in a hostile oilfield takeover.

[Truthiness Inspector]

24. To be clear

All service members serve to secure oil for this nation, according to you?

Is that your opinion of OUR troops, or is there a misunderstanding here?

On your last point, some definitive sources for "a hostile oilfield takeover" would only serve to bolster your point and would be welcome.

[Leopolds Ghost]

35. Do you really need sources to convince you Iraq is an illegal war about oil? n/t

[madeline_con]

40. "... or is there a misunderstanding here?"

Obviously.

[Contrary1]

20. I don't know if the kid was pressured or not...

I sure couldn't have been pressured to do much of anything when I was 17. I am glad this mother
is proud. It will make it easier for her to bear if one or more of her sons doesn't make it home alive.

[Truthiness Inspector]

26. Are we liberals--I hope so

Are you arguing that a 17 year old can't have convictions (right or wrong)?

My argument is that this 17 year old made his own decision. Who says he was pressured?

[Contrary1]

27. No...where did you get that from my post?

[Truthiness Inspector]

31. Fair enough n/t

[Bigmack]

28. I agree...I wouldn't even let my kid

have a motorcycle.... too damn dangerous. Going into the military? I told him I'd shoot his big toe off first. I intend to be the last veteran in this family. I didn't raise cannon fodder for the corporations.


This woman needs to read Gen. Smedley Butler's "War is a Racket". She is waaaay too happy to send her kids into harm's way. I think it's some kind of "reflected glory" thing. Her brave boys are going off to war... and all that shit. If one of them gets aced, then she can play the "grieving mom".

How about her going off to war? Have you seen the ages of some of the people getting clipped over there? Mom would fit right in.

Can we invent a new term?... Chickenhawk mom? Willing to send anybody but herself off to war?

[Truthiness Inspector]

32. Unreal

And one of the most disgraceful posts ever on DU.

[Bigmack]

41. How so? Mom's are sacred? Military is sacred? What? nt

nt

[quiet.american]

4. Sad.

People who are oftentimes the salt of the earth put their trust in a sociopath who looks down on them with pursed lips and a smirk that says "suckers."

[yankeeinlouisiana]

5. I guess she never saw "Saving Private

Ryan". I'm sure that mom was proud too, until those military guys showed up on her doorstep.

:-(

[mitchum]

6. May she soon be with her lord

[Erika]

7. And He asks why she didn't fight against this war

and, instead, sacrificed her sons for an immoral war.

[jazzjunkysue]

10. Someone thank her for keeping the price of gas for my SUV low.

Who cares if her kids are killed or maimed or psychologically ruined? I need my gas.

All that talk about depleated uranium is just librul bunk to aid and comfort the terrorists.

I should know: I watch Fox news.

[madrchsod]

12. i overheard a conversation the other day

with a guy who was in gw1 talking to a woman who`s son is going over there. he told her he believed in the gw1 but this war should have never happened. he told his nephew not to join the army cause he won`t be able to spend that 20,000 dollars..the woman did`t say a word...i think she is very, very worried

[calimary]

21. I heard Stephanie Miller say Dr. Laura Schlessinger's only child,

Deryk, is set to ship out in - what is it now? About a week? Evidently she was on the Pox Noise Channel and said so. Stephanie Miller said Dr. Laura seemed worried and kind of tight-lipped when the other people on the air with her wished her and her son luck.

Hell, I want the war stopped PERIOD. I don't want my kids going over there. I don't want Dr. Laura's kid going over there. I don't want the fundie wackos' kids going over there. I don't want ANYBODY'S kids going over there. I want everybody brought HOME. Preferably not on a stretcher or in a body bag. Oh, EXCUSE ME! A "transfer tube."

[TheBaldyMan]

25. amen to that - nobody should be over there, bring them all home now

the sooner congress pulls the plug on the funding the sooner they will all be back home.

[upi402]

15. god help the brainwashed

i'm done trying

[Horse with no Name]

16. I'm not going to ridicule anyone who serves their country

even if their reasoning is misguided.
I pray that they will all be returned home safely.

[Nikki Stone1]

19. I'm with you, Horse with no Name.

I admire those who serve but detest the administration that is currently sending them there. I'm worried for this woman that she has the potential to lose three of her kids in this debacle.

[cynatnite]

22. To support our military we need to bring them home...

away from this ungoldy war.

[Horse with no Name]

34. Amen

But unfortunately too many people aren't smart enough to turn the channel away from the propaganda and can't separate the truth from the fiction.

[Truthiness Inspector]

30. Care to elaborate?

And I mean precisely, on point. What is misguided about safe-keeping our asses, to keep us free? Somehow I feel like it's unpopular to recognize that it is our military that ensures our safety, and by extension our freedoms. Unpopular? Apparently. True? Let's see a counter-argument.

I do agree with you that I hope our troops return safely.

[Horse with no Name]

33. I say misguided because this woman

sounds like someone who watches Faux Snooze 24-7 and probably still believes that Saddam and Osama had a relationship, that there were WMD and that we are there to spread democracy.
Being in Iraq has NOTHING to do with safekeeping our asses or keeping us "free".. It has to do with safekeeping our oil that happens to be under their land and attempting to secure that oil for the corporate bedfellows of our administration. If anything, our occupation of Iraq deters the freedoms that well-meaning citizens joined to defend. (See Patriot Act).
Please don't patronize me about what our military does...and does not do.
I have several family members serving currently and I am well aware of the sacrifice.

[12string]

38. truthiness

you are a very twisted,misguided soul.How can spawning
millions of America haters(rightfully so)as a result of this
illegal war of aggression,possibly make us safer.Just in case
you haven't noticed,we have been losing those freedoms you
mention at an alarming rate since we "liberated" the
Iraqi people.What planet are you inhabiting.

[Qanisqineq]

23. so I am supposed to like Bush b/c I'm married to a soldier?

me thinks not

[SanCristobal]

29. WOW. What a fucked up disgusting thread.

How about "I hope her kids come home alright, and we can make sure they get the benefits vets deserve".

[mitchum]

37. Well, it is now

[Leopolds Ghost]

36. I hope they come home safely, but probably WON'T come home without killing another mother's child.

as footsoldiers in an immoral war.

Wars of Agression are wrong.

They will be balancing their word of honor -- promise to serve --
against their immortal soul -- or their mortal soul, for those
of you who don't believe in an afterlife.

Unfortunately, many, perhaps most modern soldiers do not merely
view their commitment to fight as a promise to serve their
country, but as a worshipful attitude towards flag and state --
a form of idolatry that conflates patriotism with religious belief.

That said, the soldier's code of honor, which goes back to
pre-Christian Anglo-Saxon days here in the West, is that they
are damned if they don't. They promised to fight, and they
must fight to fulfill their promise, even if it is immoral.

Many societies value promises (and prowess in battle) above
the sanctity of life itself.

That is certainly one possible view of the world.

[uppityperson]

39. I met a woman whose son is headed back again and she is scared & proud

Proud because they are a military family, her husband was retired military, grandfather, etc. She is proud that her son chose to go into the military as this is an honorable thing for her. She is scared because he has been in Iraq already and is going back again in this escalation and has already seen changes in him that she thinks are negative. She voted for Mr.bush and is a republican, but is very much against the occupation of Iraq. She feels stuck in a hard place because she is afraid to speak out against the occupation because this would be not supporting her son's boss, but really really hates how her son is being used.

I was suprised because I thought she was a bush-bot until we talked more. So far I've given her lnfo on getting together with VFP local guys.