Z. Bresinski: The world now sees Guantonamo as the symbol of America

[Redbear]

the way it once saw the Statue of Liberty.

He said this on PBS Newshour tonight. I think thats right on the money.

[bonito]

1. This will change, I have no doubt

Don't ask me how but I'm aware of balances being inversely proportional.

[BeHereNow]

2. Sort of like how the world saw Germany and concentration camps?

Horrifying to comprehend, is it not?
I can not tell you how many hours of sleep I have
lost thinking about this.
Can anyone REALLY ask,
"How did it happen?"
When discussing the murder of the Jewish people
by the "good" Germans?
I think we all know by now.
BHN

[C_U_L8R]

3. i hope the next president burns that place down

and plows under the ashes.

In fact, if any of the candidates would be bold enough
to promise exactly that.. it's pretty sure they'd have my vote.

Darn tootin'

[Redbear]

4. Thats a great idea

Some Dem should propose just that

[bananas]

5. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

so I can torture them."

[bdamomma]

6. I heard him say that also, damn * for making our country a hell

hole in 5 long years.

[madrchsod]

7. ziggy is so pissed off about what bush has done to america

i think he has a hard time containing his anger.....

[BeHereNow]

8. My daughter loves that artist- the one in your post.

She is an artist too.
That artist influenced her work greatly a few years back.
What is the name?
Thanks.
BHN

[madrchsod]

10. i`ve had more people ask me about

that picture than have ever replied to my postings! http://www.markryden.com/..
does she have a website or a myspace?

[BeHereNow]

12. That's the one! Mark Ryden!

We bought her a book of his work a few years back.
I know she has a myspace and a deviantart page, as well as
other internet thingys.
She is a student at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago.
I want to hook her up with "Mopinko" of DU, who was also
a student there at one time.
BHN

[mopinko]

13. a little bird sent me to this thread.

i tried to send you a pm, but not sure if it went through. the board is a little flakey this morning. let me know if you didn't get it.

[Jonathan50]

9. Considering that "The Land of the Free" has the highest incarceration rate in the world..

I think Guantanamo is an entirely appropriate symbol..

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0818/p02s01-usju.html

US notches world's highest incarceration rate
A report highlights extent to which many citizens have served time in prison.
By Gail Russell Chaddock | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
WASHINGTON – More than 5.6 million Americans are in prison or have served time there, according to a new report by the Justice Department released Sunday. That's 1 in 37 adults living in the United States, the highest incarceration level in the world.

It's the first time the US government has released estimates of the extent of imprisonment, and the report's statistics have broad implications for everything from state fiscal crises to how other nations view the American experience.
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If current trends continue, it means that a black male in the United States would have about a 1 in 3 chance of going to prison during his lifetime. For a Hispanic male, it's 1 in 6; for a white male, 1 in 17.

The numbers come after many years of get-tough policies - and years when violent-crime rates have generally fallen. But to some observers, they point to broader failures in US society, particularly in regard to racial minorities and others who are economically disadvantaged.

[bonito]

11. The economically disadvantaged

can find economic security in prison, talk about a backfire.