*******OFFICIAL THREAD NO 6 SAMPSON TRIAL**********

[bdamomma]

I hope this helps, first time doing this. continue on with commentary.

thread 5

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[Norquist Nemesis]

1. I wish they could bring up Rove's strategy for 2008

and his list of swing states.

[gumby]

5. Just read that on TPM

"Sen. Kennedy (D-MA) makes a very good point. The prosecutor firings and replacements just happen to be in all the key 2008 swing states, and not in any states that are safe for either party -- with the exception of California, where the Lam -Cunningham investigation is. Why do you think that would be?"

Kennedy up now.

[Norquist Nemesis]

*gasp* Kennedy asking about Griffin now! n/t

[Raven]

2. you are very brave to take this on! n/t

[ShortnFiery]

10. Samson is repeating "I don't remember" and "I don't Know" ad nausea

damn, he's claming up again. :grr:

[quiet.american]

22. I hear you -- we can expect all of 'em to take this route. n/t

[quiet.american]

26. Finally, he remembered something! (That Harriet Miers was at a meeting.) n/t

[Javaman]

122. She's an easy one to throw under the bus. LOL nt

[Raven]

13. Sampson is talking too much...

Teddy will set the trap.

[Cameron27]

3. Thanks!

K&R

[IChing]

4. Going over the Arizona case with Arizona Kahl Republican

trying to clear himself.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

6. Kennedy up now - Go Teddy!

n/t

[IChing]

7. Kennedy on the file

Not a very good file and I don't where the file is?

[bdamomma]

8. these guys at lunch now?

[quiet.american]

9. Ted Kennedy asking about the "drop file" -- do you still have it?

[Cameron27]

11. Kennedy

The Justice Dept. has admitted it was wrong about Rove being involved with Feb 23 letter, were you aware...

I'm not sure, I was focused on AG's interim appointment.

[IChing]

12. I think he is going to drop a bomb Kennedy just talked to staff

I can only hope

[jumpoffdaplanet]

14. I've never wanted to waterboard a person...

the way I want to waterboard this guy.

It is so frustating to hear this little creep lie about not remembering.

[underpants]

15. Is there a LINK other than C-Span?

C-Span? isn't working for me right now

[Norquist Nemesis]

16. Try CSPAN radio or

the Senate Judiciary Committee site.

[helderheid]

17. here

http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2657

[Cameron27]

18. To the best of my knowledge

I don't remember Karl Rove talking to me in person or on the phone.

Kenndy: Do you know why you would mention that it was important to Harriet and Karl in your email?

Kennedy: Now that the Justice Dept. has said it was inaccurate do you agree?

I'm not aware of that.

I'd need to see the dept's letter.

[Norquist Nemesis]

19. "I don't remember Karl Rove talking to me in person or on the phone..."

but what about email and blackberry discussions, Mr. Sampson? Hmmmm????

[BuyingThyme]

28. Memo?

[IChing]

20. A new letter from the justice dept today stating that

Rove was interested in Griffin,

[Norquist Nemesis]

24. Ooops! Sampson sees the bus coming and takes a big gulp! n/t

[eleny]

21. His tapping the table for emphasis is starting to annoy me more than impress me with "honesty"

Somebody ought to have told Sampson at lunch that it's being overused.

Maybe he's banging out an SOS? Or perhaps it's "SOL"?

[Jack Rabbit]

23. I think Teddy tripped him up

Sampson is a liar. When he said "Karl", he meant Karl.

[seemslikeadream]

25. Sanchez, Hills plead not guilty

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2786415

[bobthedrummer]

32. Frederick Black and, of course, the WH Abramoff network are a major linchpin n/t

[IChing]

27. Meeting with Harriet Miers and Bill Kelly

many meetings on attorney firings.

[Raven]

29. I'll bet this guy Sampson is shitty to his secretaries and

other employees...I'll just bet!

[Gregorian]

30. It's not about firing attorneys. It's about obstructing prosecution.

As if we all don't know that by now.

But Grassley said it, and it is a succinct way of stating the issue.

[BuyingThyme]

Grassley said THAT?

[Gregorian]

48. Yep. And then they shut the hearing down.

Oops.

[BuyingThyme]

91. Ya think that was the reason?

[IChing]

31. Now Senator Grassley (r)

going over the president's right to fire attorneys but conflicting information given by Justice

[Cameron27]

33. Leahy

Republicans who've objected to the rules of this committee...what? He didn't finish or I missed it.

[orleans]

35. WTF? adjourned??? until when???

[helderheid]

36. The Republicans don't want the truth to come out and are scared shitless.

[steve2470]

39. wtf ??? repugs objected ????? nt

[Hepburn]

Whoa....does THAT look like a cover up!

Wow!!!!

[IChing]

34. Republicains shut down Hearings

WTF??????

[ClayZ]

What the hell happened?

[IChing]

52. They used a Senate Rule

I don't know what is happening.

[napi21]

41. I don't understand? What does that mean???? n.t

[Ediacara]

50. Leahy interupted Grassley and said that the GOP has objected and they're taking a recess

And that's all I know

[Ediacara]

42. WTF is that

It's been going on all day, and they choose to shut them down in the middle of Grassley's shpeel?

[Norquist Nemesis]

46. WTF is that??? Standing in recess

Going to check on CSPAN2 for fireworks. Something's up!

[bobthedrummer]

37. NOT POLITICAL!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

[Gregorian]

38. Republicans have protested the meeting? It's in recess!

What the...

Things are hotting up, as they say in the Tour De France.

[MaineDem]

40. WTF?...GOP objects to these hearings??? nt

[Raven]

43. Well, well, well,

we must be getting close to the truth. Repubs have objected to this hearing????

[Oilwellian]

54. LOL Raven

well well well indeed.

[MadJohnShaft]

44. I got CSPAN2 on the TV - they've been on a Qurom call, working on stopping this?

[Buttercup McToots]

61. Explain please...

just got here...
what's going on...?

[Oilwellian]

45. Well well well

so much for our transparent government.

[Lint Head]

Liars want to hide.

It's in their nature.:dem:

[eleny]

60. Gee, and Grassley was just in mid point about how happy he is with transparency

[quiet.american]

47. What?! How do they have that power -- and why didn't Dems use it when they were the minority? n/t

[lisa58]

64. republicans never had a hearing

[quiet.american]

112. True -- I'd thought about that, too. n/t

[HCE SuiGeneris]

113. lol -- good point, there was no oversight

[Jack Rabbit]

49. What just happended?

"Rupublicans" are objecting to the hearing? So it is adjourned?

[eleny]

68. Recessed - not adjourned

[Jack Rabbit]

88. Thank you

OK, that's a little less sinister sounding.

I'm too used to the way the GOP does business to stop inconvenient truths from coming out.

[gumby]

51. WTF????

Don't understand what just happened??????

[orleans]

53. sounded like they are on recess until the other business of the senate

closes

didn't he say they will come back and start with grassley?

[napi21]

62. Yes he did. Said they would resume after the Senat ends the day.

I don't understand this whole thing though????

[BuyingThyme]

55. What the fuck is going on, ya Mooks?

[IChing]

72. Leahy is speaking but we can hardly hear on why...Anyone?

[orleans]

56. sounded like they are on recess until the other business of the senate

closes

didn't he say they will come back and start with grassley?

[vanboggie]

57. I came in late - question

Did any Senator bring up the possibility that these replacements may be for the purpose of helping Rove rig the 08 election?

[Spazito]

58. When Leahy said the hearing was in recess until the Senate

recessed and then Senator Grassley could continue his questions if he wished, am I correct in my take that the hearing will be on again once the Senate recesses for the day, meaning the hearing will be on again later today?

[orleans]

69. that's what i get out of it. they are in recess...n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

74. That's the way I understood it too.

[Solly Mack]

76. Oh, OK! Thanks. Just tuned back in and was all lost :)

[Duer 157099]

85. Yes, exactly n/t

[yodermon]

59. Leahy said something about "under senate rules"

the repubs are entitled, but they'll be right back.

Can Congress be held in contempt of itself? ;)

[helderheid]

66. TURN ON THE MICS CSPAN!!

[Ediacara]

83. The mics are still on

They're just standing away from them, I could hear mumbling, but nothing clear.

[Lint Head]

Yes! We are the majority now.

The worm has turned and so have the aspens:dem:

[Hepburn]

81. Leahy kind of blew it off, IMO...

...and said that Sen Grassley could finish asking his questions when they got back.

OK....up date: Announcer on CSpan saying that Sen rules do not permit committee meetings while the Senate is in session. Repukes objected on this rule.

[SaveAmerica]

63. Someone who is watching on tv and has DVR/Tivo please rewind

and tell us what exactly was said. Why did they do that?

[mikelgb]

65. LOST ALL FEEDS

WTF WTF

[Norquist Nemesis]

80. CSPAN radio still airing

Can hear Leahy speaking but it so far away from the mics can't hear what is being said.

Op---now it's gone.

[Ediacara]

90. I'm still getting video feed

maybe try reloading the page?

[Buttercup McToots]

103. They think we all will get tired and go away...

They know the country is listening to this...

[kestrel91316]

67. Trial? I thought this was a hearing before Congress.

Sheesh, look what I miss by turning my back for a couple of days...........

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

70. My guess, the Republicans called a Quorum and Leahy thinks they are doing this to interfere

with the hearing.

On edit...if the Republicans are protesting, doesn't it seem odd that Grassley didn't know about it?

[Norquist Nemesis]

93. Yup!!!! Sounds like Karl was watching Kenneday Q&A, got on the horn

and told them to shut it down now of he'd personally fuck every one of them!

Procedural tactics by Cons.

[originalpckelly]

So that's what happened. I knew there was something up...

I think it must be because Grassley voted for the subpoenas and is usually very anti-corruption, even with the GOP. He just took down the head of the Smithsonian for corruption.

Was Grassley questioning the witness in a hard way, or were the only questions being asked suck-up questions?

[Breeze54]

101. This was a calculated move, imho!

They didn't stop it this morning! Never mentioned this rule!

[Solly Mack]

71. What the heck happened?

[buzzard]

79. Waiting till the Senate session closes then it will resume.

[Solly Mack]

86. Thanks! Just tuned back in and "all hell done broke loose"

[napi21]

92. The cspan announcer just saidsome rules of the Senate prohibit

hearings from taking place while the Senate is in session. I guess they pulled THAT rabbit out of the hat, so Leahy will resume the hearings when the Senate adjourns for the day!

[Solly Mack]

110. Amazing how the rules must be used when they don't like

what is happening...but how those rules go out the window when it is them.

[Gregorian]

73. Now they're all standing and discussing the situation.

Volume is low.

[orleans]

75. senate rules preclude a hearing when the senate is in session n/t

[Ediacara]

77. C-SPAN Announcer says:

They're in recess because the full senate is still in session due to Senate rules, replaying Sampson's opening statements, will cut in when committee resumes.

[orleans]

87. glad they are replaying this--i had to leave earlier and i missed part of it n/t

[Cameron27]

98. I don't remember this ever happening before.

[Ediacara]

105. They may be having a vote in the full Senate? What's going in the Senate chamber?

[Cameron27]

121. Quorum call right now.

[MadJohnShaft]

78. Cannot continue while Senate is in Session, so they have to recess

[IChing]

Republicans used this rule to stop the Hearings although they didn't in the

beginning of the hearing.

[quiet.american]

89. Ding, ding, ding. n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

100. Amazingly, these actions would have taken place while Kennedy

was questioning him about Rove's involvement in getting Griffin in Arkansas. Grassley had JUST started.

[Hepburn]

96. MSNBC....carrying info what is going on. n/t

[WinkyDink]

82. ETA: okay, I read the post about this being a repeat!

[Ediacara]

97. They're replaying it while the committee's in recess

[Hubert Flottz]

84. Hackery?

By GOPer Hacks?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

94. Per cspan2...senate in quorum call and sometimes floor business stops hearings and

after the floor business is done, the hearing can go back on.

[eleny]

95. This makes the Republicans look weak

The rule is that hearings can only go on so may hours while the Senate is in session. The original intention is so Congress can hear what's going on.

It's rarely invoked. Using Senate procedure to interrupt the proceedings.

This is according to MSNBC right now.

Edit: It's my observation that this makes the Republicans look weak - not the MSNBC reporter's observaton.

[WinkyDink]

99. And petty and GUILTY.

[eleny]

102. Yeah, their grasping at straws and gasping

:hi:

[orleans]

111. i'm sure the pukes would like to stop these hearings altogether n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

104. Makes the Cons appear to be in further collusion with WH coverup

Yep!

[Cameron27]

106. Leahy made sure that the fact of the Republicans being the ones who objected

got into the record.

Good, it makes them look like they're complicit in the WH coverup.

[eleny]

123. Oh, that's great! He did look like he was supressing delight

Thanks!

[IChing]

107. Yep, because they didn't use it in the beginning

Damn it was just getting good...Kennedy had a new memo from justice that kicked the shit out of the hearings.

[napi21]

109. I don't know about weak, but they sure look like they're trying to

hide something!
I gotta give it to the Pubs! They sure do know how to use all these obscure rules to their advantage!

I think we should hire or train some Dems to be able to do the same!!!!!

[ProfessorPlum]

116. I missed that part exactly

but I know I hadn't heard the name of the USA kennedy brought up before. Can you elaborate just a bit? Thanks,

[eleny]

120. We don't ever want to apear scared or hiding something

I think invoking this rule makes them look like obstructionists. Good fodder for talking heads and radio discussions. Yum-yum-yummy.

The fact that it happened right when Grassley was mid sentence about how happy he was to have things discussed in the light of day is a scream. I love the irony and bet that you do, too!

[flyarm]

108. ok so DU gets bogged down this morning.,.in NJ and NY tv cspan gets no less than

6 National broadcast interuptions with the national broadcast emergency tests...all when Sampson is replying to questions...and now this...any questions what is going on?????????


fly

[SaveAmerica]

114. Well, isn't that conveeeeenient!! Need a picture of the Church Lady

[DURHAM D]

115. I think Hatch shut it down. After the meeting closed

Senators Schumer and Leahy were giving an interview to the press. Hatch stood to the side and listened to the whole thing.

My take - Sampson was talking too much. When Kennedy asked him a question he gave answers that were way too long. Example - When responding to Kennedy's question about who and how many times he met with officials in the WH - Sampson went on and on about the weekly meeting scheduled for 4:00pm on Wednesdays. Then Sampson volunteered that the times would sometimes shift depending on the PRINCIPALS schedules. Kennedy was out of time but the next obvious question is "Who are the principals" he is referring to?

[orleans]

117. after they broke i cranked up the volume and heard someone asking

off mike who stopped it?

i didn't hear the answer.

[Solly Mack]

118. - I didn't expect to get caught so I obviously made mistakes -

Just my take on his opening statement since it is being replayed

[bobthedrummer]

119. Anyone else flash through history to, say, The Weimar Republic?

[orleans]

how long is the senate going to be in session? (so when are we

getting back to this hearing?)

and what is the senate doing now anyway?

[Ediacara]

124. Locking due to length

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