Why is it socially acceptable to beat children but not women or animals? n/t

[951-Riverside]

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[Lost-in-FL]

1. Give me an I

give me a B

give me a T

give me a L


I B T L !!!!!

[951-Riverside]

4. Its a legitimate question

There are a lot of people here who defend spanking/hitting children but they seem to draw the line when it comes to women and pets/animals and I wonder why.

[Lost-in-FL]

5. It is...

but people feelings about this runs deep and I KNOW there will be people screaming bloody murder about "beating" children. Now that you use "spanking" it sounds less violent imo.

[SanCristobal]

2. I'm actually on another forum right now promoting cock fighting.

So I guess I'm cool with letting animals have it. :yoiks:

[Syrinx]

3. I didn't realize that it was acceptable to beat children

I'm against spanking too, but spanking isn't the same as beating.

[HuckleB]

6. What's "acceptable" in terms of children?

And why have I never seen anyone protest dog owners who use the old quick slap to the snout trick during training?

[upi402]

7. flamebait

i beat it too
ibi2

[951-Riverside]

8. How is it flamebait?

Give me an honest answer.

[cynatnite]

10. Are you equating spanking with beating? n/t

[951-Riverside]

13. Yes.

Its all meant to inflict unnecessary pain.

[cynatnite]

15. No, it's not...

Spanking and beating are different things whether you agree with it or not. I didn't beat my son when he was four years old after almost getting hit by a car. We were outside and I told him more than once to get away from the road. When I was almost to him, he ran out into the street and thankfully the driver was going slow and saw him. I took my son by the arm, gave him a swat on the ass and sent him to his room after reading him the riot act about going into the street.

They are not the same no matter how you try to equate them. You may not agree with spanking, but they are different.

[upi402]

16. is yelling next?

we gotta restrain ourselves from trying to control people due to our personal values. It's what I HATE about the Christian Taliban here now. And trust me, righties really HATE us telling them what they can't do. The NRA is doing quite nicely from it and is a tool of the rightists.

I just say we should choose our battles. Live and let live. Abuse must be prosecuted, spanking not. The pain from spanking is not unnecessary, it's intended to modify dangerous behavior. You can debate it's effectiveness as far as I'm concerned. But we can't be seen as whackos in the rightwing medias eyes. They'd love this as an issue.

[951-Riverside]

18. Don't try to differentiate "spanking" from other abuse methods like slapping

When it comes down to it the intent to inflict pain by striking a person and surely you wouldn't approve "spanking" disabled children.

[upi402]

20. oh christ

we're fucked if this squishy issue sees daylight.

the corp. media will cover this like a blanket and the real issues will slide under the radar.

spanking. not beating, slapping, or physically harming a person who is incapable of understanding neither the cause nor the cure. strawman arguments are best made to O'Reilly fans.

Shall we regulate rough sex too? How in the hell did we EVER SURVIVE childhood???!!!! What with the horrors of COMPETITION and all.:yoiks:

[cynatnite]

23. Feels like flamebait, doesn't it? n/t

[951-Riverside]

25. Again why it is "flamebait"?

You never gave me a clear answer the last time I asked.

[cynatnite]

26. I wasn't the one who originally said it...

I was commenting. But since you asked I consider this post flamebait because of your equating spanking with beating and with slapping. The context of your OP is rather confrontational, IMO. You'll get wide varying opinions and in your firm opposition this thread will more than likely turn into a flame war.

[upi402]

29. argumentational fallacy; comparing apples & oranges

and resolutely insisting that because they are both fruits, that they are the same thing.

you can't debate a post that asserts that a false premise is valid -and is valid always and everywhere. that's the threshold that would need to be met to make law for something as private and personal as parenting.

it's a claim that looks to incite conflict, in my view.

therefore, it's flamebait.

[951-Riverside]

24. Re: we're fucked if this squishy issue sees daylight.

Yes child abusers will be.

the corp. media will cover this like a blanket and the real issues will slide under the radar.

They are on 24/7 I'm sure they can cover both and a hell of a lot of other issues.

spanking. not beating, slapping, or physically harming a person who is incapable of understanding neither the cause nor the cure.

Spanking, beating, slapping, punching are all meant to "physically harm" a person so why again why is it acceptable to strike those who are the most defenseless and innocent.

strawman arguments are best made to O'Reilly fans.

*plonk* and moving along...

Shall we regulate rough sex too?

strawman arguments are best made to O'Reilly fans.

How in the hell did we EVER SURVIVE childhood???!!!! What with the horrors of COMPETITION and all.

Not sure what you're getting at.

[cynatnite]

22. Spanking is different than slapping...

Slapping is across the face. Spanking is on the butt.

[951-Riverside]

27. Re: "Slapping is across the face. Spanking is on the butt."

Striking someone with an open or closed hand (regardless of where) is barbaric and unnecessary.

Remember the "rule of thumb" was also socially acceptable.

[cynatnite]

28. That is a matter of opinion...

Spanking is socially acceptable. People define it differently and some are completely opposed to it. It's all opinion whether you agree with it or not.

[Berry Cool]

31. Actually, while I'm on your side,

the "rule of thumb" is an urban myth.

[cynatnite]

9. People go to jail for beating children...

I don't get your question.

[951-Riverside]

12. Not true

I've witnessed people striking their children in crowded store and I've even reported it many years ago but the police officer refused to do anything because it was "just a spanking". OTOH if someone kicks around a dog or hits a woman in public that person would probably placed under arrest immediately.

[cynatnite]

14. Spanking is not beating...

By society's standards spanking is considered a form of discipline and is acceptable for children. You may disagree with it, but that's just how it is. Also, I don't think a parent should be arrested for giving their kid a swat on the butt.

Hitting animals and other people puts it in a different catagory altogether.

[951-Riverside]

17. Re:By society's standards spanking is considered a form of discipline and is acceptable for children

If someone "spanked" a woman in public or "spanked" a dog in public there would be an uproar so why this barbaric method acceptable for children?

[cynatnite]

21. Spanking a dog won't get you thrown in jail...

not that I've ever seen. Beating a dog...maybe. I saw a guy ticketed for kicking the hell out of a dog.

It is different with a women because they are adults. The laws are written differently.

This argument is apples and oranges.

People's definitions of spanking is so different than banning it makes it impossible. Using your hand is okay, but not a belt. A wooden spoon is fine, but not a switch. A swat on the butt is okay, but not a paddling with your hand and so on. You'll never find a clear cut consensus on this issue.

[frankly_fedup2]

19. It's totally legal for a women to be slapped "open palm" by her husband

in the Commonwealth of Virginia and it is not considered abuse. A child can be spanked and it's not against the law. An animal can not be abused; however, spanking a child is not abuse and neither is slapping a women across the face. However, whatever the women picks up to knock the SOB out who slapped her across the face probably is against the law. We have government in our lives in so many different directions. Pretty soon we will have to sleep in twin beds, only be allowed so many children or be taxed more . . . when will it end.

I was raised by a mother that would slap you in the head, use a belt, use a switch from those yellow bushes, and she was never arrested and put in jail. My friends father kept a strap hanging by the phone with slits cut into the end of it. This was how we were punished back in the 60's and 70's. Now our children got "time outs" and don't have a lick of sense about themselves. They are not disciplined because "time outs" do not work for most kids. I spanked my son with a mixture of time outs. The spanking would always take care of the situation immediately. The time outs ended up being longer then they should have been because he wouldn't stay until I spanked him. However, unlike my mother, I never left a mark on my son.

When I was growing up there were no school shootings. If you misbehaved in school, you got a paddling without other teachers witnessing it. Yet, according to today's standards I was raised in an abusive home. My mother left whelps as well as bruises and no one thought anything about it. My age group grew up riding bikes without helmets. We could play lawn darts and have the real steel dart. We roller skated without padding. On snow days we rode our sleds down the longest roads and cars would watch out for us. We were the Test-Dummy Generation. The last generation to really understand the responsibilities of life.

My son graduated, went to college, got married, has one son, and has a great job. All this and he came from a home that by today's standards would be considered a mildly abusive home. He spanks his son and does the time out thing too.

I find the very thought of what they are proposing ridiculous. Next they will be telling us what church we can go to. Seriously. Let them keep changing laws that get into our private business and we won't have any privacy anymore.

[illinoisprogressive]

11. It's not acceptable to beat kids. ever.

[Rebellious Republican]

30. Why do you ask? Did you read an article or see a link that promoted

such behavior.

:shrug: