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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:16 PM Original message |
Poll: U.S. Catholics Lean Left On Social Issues |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is the paradox of American Catholics. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. I've been saying this for years |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
99. Catholics were Demcoratic until the culture war bullshit |
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walkaway (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. Why don't they get rid of those monsters in the Vatican? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Well, there is no way for them TO get rid of the |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
43. The Vatican is moving the church into Evangelicalism . . . and sees its |
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MillieJo (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-04-09 05:15 AM Response to Reply #43 |
116. A lot of the newer Priests are from Asia and Africa |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Most Catholics (in the US and Europe) disagree with the Vatican |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
88. no need to |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm Catholic and have no problem with anything that is mentioned above. n/t |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. No it won't. I've been defending Catholics for a while here.. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. You would report them to their bishop?? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
54. I should have been more clear in my final statement. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:13 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Thanks for the explanation |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:44 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Unlikely, but it's worth a try. |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
109. I'm a Catholic in the South and I can report that didn't happen in |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. The church does not believe abortion is acceptable in the case of rape or to save the mother's life. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. There was a great movie . . . I think it was "Brides of Christ" ... I think made in Australia? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
53. I never said the Church believed it. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #53 |
62. ok, I see. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
89. no power |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #62 |
108. that's exactly how I feel, as an RC- raised, Catholic school educated female |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
75. But we have the shocking example of the Pope telling Serbian women that they |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. Interesting. |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
8. No surprise here. Obama won Catholics. I don't think he won Protestants. |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. More results from the poll |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Death penalty 61 % acceptable among Catholics and 68 % among non-Catholics? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
47. It's the authoritarian streak . . . runs right thru the chuch from top to bottom -- !!! |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
67. I've never heard a pro-death penalty homily in a Catholic church. I've heard more than one priest |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Poll sugests 61% of Catholics support it -- |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. Uh, yes, I read threadtop. DP is one of the rare issues where Catholic laity is more conservative |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #82 |
98. interesting . . . |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
90. other way aroiund |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #90 |
100. Totally disagree . . . |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Sicut Dudum (Pope Eugene IV 1435) |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Sublimis Deus (Pope Paul III 1537) |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. In Supremo Apostolatus (Pope Gregory XVI 1839) |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. Your dishonesty or ignorance about history is quite depressing. Facts matter. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. There are other Papal Bulls which we will have to dig up for you . . . |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. blah blah blah. no links. personally i don't care if you aren't enthusiastic about catholicism but |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-04-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Obviously , you don't seem ready to . . . |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-04-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. Now, normally . . . |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-04-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Thanks for the links. It looks like Pope Nicholas V in the mid-1400's was an SOB. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-05-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #119 |
122. The Crusades, the Hammer of Witches, the Vatican's 1,100 year ... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-05-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. It is not my intention to justify anything: I simply take the view that one cannot learn lessons |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-05-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. The real motive, as always, is manipulation for profit/power . . . |
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walkaway (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. I guess they didn't ask about condom use to help stop Aids |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Um, no... |
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walkaway (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Here you go..... |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Re - infallibility: Lord Acton said "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" |
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walkaway (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Sorry..that was right out of the Catholic Encyclopedia on the New Advent site. |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Sorry, I wasn't exactly clear in my earlier post |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Ex Cathedra only came about 1860s |
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WindRiverMan (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Yes, and St. Thomas Aquinas also believed |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Catholic Church also permitted abortion until the 5th month . . . |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. ...and Pope John XXIII in Vatican II pretty much kicked infallibity in the ass . . .!!! |
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WindRiverMan (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Wrong |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. Yes . . . but Papal infallibility is self-declared . . . similar to |
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MillieJo (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-04-09 05:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
117. A Jesuit Priest that I knew and recently passed away... |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. High swinging, free-wheeling Catholics... |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Not a surprise to me... |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
10. Still more results... |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. So, the more one attends church (any church)... |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I suppose you could look at it that way |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. OR the more you attend church, the more likely you are to be socially conservative. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
87. or the other way around |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
69. When the Vatican tells Americans not to vote for pro-choice Kerry that seems clear--!!! |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
107. Do you have a link for that claim or is this another historical fiction? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-04-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #69 |
115. Vatican Decree 2003: Catholics who vote for Kerry commit mortal sin . . . |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
64. Except for the death penalty |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
11. Much of the current clergy comes from the sex scandal |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
73. As the right wing has come to power over decades . . . |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
13. So do ex-Catholics. I'm an Anarchist, my wife's a Marxist. Both ex- beadrattlers. |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. But are those mutually exclusive? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Nope. There were a lot of Marxist priests and nuns in Latin America. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
51. Yes, they finally overturned "liberation theology" ... but brought in Opus Dei-!!! |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
86. Yep. Marxism is a no-no but Fascism is A-OK according to Ratz. nt |
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Tyler Generation (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
19. I'm agnostic, and my family has always been non religion |
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Joey Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
21. I'm an Ex-Catholic |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Who did you have to hate in order to be a Catholic? n/t |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
66. Reason. n/t |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
84. Um, how so? |
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Joey Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
74. Catholics are really into hate these days |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. Can you give me some concrete examples? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
91. what? |
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Fla Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
112. ??????????????? What the Sam Hill are you talking about? Are U drunk? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
23. Not the newest US Catholic |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
26. That's always been the case. Protestants with that kind of disagreement with their hierarchy-- |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Some of them are schisming into the Catholic Church |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
35. Deleted. Slow-server dupe. |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
36. "Will this be enough to prove to the anti-Catholic contingent on DU... |
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C......N......C (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
39. I am Catholic non church goer. Confession when I was practicing |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
40. Europe is full of Catholics, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
41. Just as many Catholic women have abortions as any other women . . .!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
45. Why? Catholics have to decide for themselves NOT to support this church |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #45 |
95. response |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-05-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #45 |
120. The only homily I ever heard on homosexuality was about the evil of homophobia: |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
50. I always suspected that was the case. (nt) |
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Reverend_Smitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
55. I think if you look at the states with the largest Catholic populations... |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. It's a class thing, I think. |
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Fla Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
113. Exactly..great explanation. As a grandchild of both Irish and Italian |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
56. I'm not sure I buy all of that data .. particularly the part about |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:14 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Well, a majority of US Catholics also voted for Bush in both 2000 and 2004. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. And all you have to do is listen to that despicable president |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. The President of the Catholic League is not the President of Catholics |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Well listen, he's the poster child of the Catholic Church in the U.S. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. The Catholic League is an independent organization with no ties to the Church. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Yea, no official ties, but this motherfucker was one of the |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. No doubt. He's a first-rate douchebag and should be seen as an embarrassment to anyone |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #79 |
97. agreed |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #76 |
96. no he isn't |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 01:41 AM Response to Reply #76 |
101. He is a media hog who is president of a small organization n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
60. Well this is probably wasted typing... |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
85. More often than not, I find that not to be the case |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
92. not true |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. As I figured. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
65. This is not at all surprising to me |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
70. We have plenty of them right here in our govt: Pelosi, Kerry, Biden |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Don't forget Uncle Teddy! n/t |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
71. Well, duh. Most Catholic-bashers don't know a thing about them. nt |
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cherish44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
80. I know a lot of Catholics who are one issue voters |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. lots of Americans |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #93 |
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