OMFG!!!! I can prove the 2004 caging list came from the Republican Party of Florida!

[originalpckelly]

There was meta-data in the caging list excel spreadsheet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you fucking know what that means!??!

We can prove it came from them! I just checked the properties of the caging list and it said it was authored by:


Elephants beware of files bearing meta-data. :rofl:

Here is the spreadsheet:
http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/attachments/Caging-1.xls

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. That is quite telling.

Good on you for finding that. Now, send your findings off to someone in Congress.

[originalpckelly]

3. I'm calling Waxman later today.

[radfringe]

13. let us know what happens...

[LiberalFighter]

74. k porter is listed as the author

[GregD]

2. Is this serious or a joke?

what file is this? where did you get it from?

[originalpckelly]

6. Back in 2004 TIM GRIFFIN fucked up and sent this e-mail...

to a spoof anti-Bush site, because of the similarities in the addresses.

It came from this long list of e-mails sent to the site:
http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/index.asp

[Donnachaidh]

22. Tim Griffin -- the new AG in Arkansas?

the NON-POLITICAl appointment?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[originalpckelly]

24. Oh yes, this is the guy they somehow magically had to get into the position...

I bet he was black-mailing them about this.

[seafan]

67. More here:

Get yer Tim Griffin "caging FL" e-mails here.


Link to the e-mails at bottom of the post.

[merh]

4. ermm, we know where it came from

check the archieves, tons of discussion, caging lists are considered part and parcel of the campaign process.

Not to belittle your efforts, but this isn't new. Your efforts are great. :thumbsup:

[peacetalksforall]

14. My time if very limited, but I read DU often - I heard of wrong

e-mail dumps, but not this. Did it make it to Greg Palast's book?

[merh]

15. it made wiki and it made discussions here (as posted in this thread)

I don't know about Palast's book, but I would venture to guess it did - we thought we had them when this was discovered, but as I said, it is considered part and parcel of the campaign process.

[merh]

30. See Palast article from the 28th

http://www.gregpalast.com/bushs-new-us-attorney-a-criminal/

[Emit]

31. I don't know if it made it into his book, but,

I had read that the georgewbush.org staff who received the dead letters sent the emails on to Palast.

[Mugsy]

5. How could no one of seen that?

I can't imagine no one else has bothered to check the Properties of that file until now.

[originalpckelly]

9. People are stupid.

It may have been checked, but I've never heard anyone point this out.

UPDATE: Google it and I've seen one mentioning of it on a blog.

[merh]

12. No they are not - it was known

hell, it's even in Wiki for gosh sakes and there were tons of threads on in here.

While the challenge process is prescribed by law, the use of broad, partisan challenges is controversial. For example, in the United States Presidential Election of 2004, the Republican Party employed this process to challenge the validity of tens of thousands of voter registrations in contested states like Florida, Nevada, Ohio, and Wisconsin. The Republican Party argued that the challenges were necessary to combat widespread voter fraud. The Democratic Party countered that the challenges were tantamount to voter suppression, and further argued that the Republican Party had targeted voter registrations on the basis of the race of the voter, in violation of federal law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caging_list

[flyarm]

43. I believe this was dealt with by the Florida ACLU ...if my memory serves me well

i believe this was part and parcel of the AC LU's case against voter suppression in Fla

i could be wrong ..but i remember this being a large part of discussion in FLA..long after the 2000 election.


alot was made of this in fla for 2004..in fact the RNC was supposed to challange many voters..and sending challengers to the polling places.the dems countered it..i know, i was a poll watcher sent to be at the polls for the challanges..for primaries, early vote and the general election...but there were very few challages made by the RNC head hunters...it was all smoke and mirrors..but it did activate the dem party into action to have poll watchers and oversight..and note taking of all that was going on in fla..i believe we were the first state to have such a program...

From a Fla Democratic Delegate...fly

[merh]

45. we had the smoking guns in 2004

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=114640

edited to add, at the time, this was discovered, we didn't know what they did with the lists and the various threads discuss the possibilities.

[flyarm]

57. hey Merh you have a better memory than i..i was too busy working in fla to

keep the vote clean..on the ground ...but i do remember at the convention as a delegate for Fla, there were meetings discussing this with many top DNC officials.. ..that i took the info back to my state and county..the DNC was very aware of the caging lists and what the rethugs were doing..and all counties in fla had people working very hard at stopping the voter suppression...as did the Kerry camp...we trained people ..and had people workimg almost every precinct in my county at least but i do believe it was going on in all counties in fla for the 2004 election...

I wasn't on the boards then..i was too busy working the election...but i do know i was one of only two "at large " poll watchers in my county,..we had many poll watchers..and we were well aware that the rethugs were going to try to challange and suppress voters by many means.._including caging lists..


hi Merh!! how are you doing sweetie??


fly

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

It's not just stupidity.

You would be amazed at things that most people DON'T know about the operation of their computers. Like defragmentation of the hard drive and cleaning of the registry and hard drive. When you start talking about metadata in their documents, their eyes just glaze over and they go semi-catatonic.

Their lack of knowledge is, however, our gain. It is the little technological things, in this affair, that hold great promise for busting this thing wide open.

[GregD]

37. ok, off-topic question:

I'm going nuts with a recently developed problem on my PC. I run XP. I'm a web developer and keep a lot of windows open. This practice has not been a problem in the past but recently I find that I have to reboot a couple times per day just to work. I seemingly run out of memory, cannot open new windows, stuff hangs horribly.

Defrag is something that I have tried, and it didn't work. What about "cleaning the registry"? How is this best done? Are there other actions that I might do to resolve this?

[Straight Shooter]

47. Other more qualified DU'ers can chime in, but I use Registry Mechanic.

Very simple, nice clean software program. I don't like PC Tools' other apps because they interfere with my client software, but this one doesn't. I think the site is http://www.pctools.com (and Reg Mechanic isn't expensive, maybe $30???)

You might need extra memory, too. :)

[GregD]

50. Thanks SS

[Straight Shooter]

60. YW

Good luck. :hi:

[wtmusic]

48. Not to sound snarky

but you might consider going Mac.

I'm also a web developer, keep 30-40 windows open all the time, and haven't rebooted in 1 - 1/2 years.

[GregD]

49. I have a Mac also, but frankly

I could not imagine having to move all of my business activity over to that. Not gonna happen.

[wtmusic]

51. Just curious

What do you have on your PC that can't be accomplished better on a Mac? I haven't found anything.

[GregD]

58. I can't answer that

I honestly don't have enough experience with Mac to make an honest evaluation.

But I do know what my priorities are, how busy I am at simply trying to keep up, and the idea of trying to re-learn the skills I have on Windows and replace all the softare - it is simply not on my radar.

I'm simply not going to replace the 3 Windoze boxes I have here, fully populated with applications and historical data, and spend a lot of money and time moving to Mac. I'd really rather spend time away from my desk if I had such time and resources available (which I do not.)

Enjoy your Mac. Mine (12" G4 laptop) is just fine for testing sites, browsing in bed, and serving as a portable Internet radio out in my garden and shop. :)

[wtmusic]

59. Ok, gotcha

Believe me, I don't shake things up -- even updating the OS -- unless I absolutely have to. I always end up spending at least $1K updating applications.

However as an ex-PCer myself, I am going to leave you with the idea that the time you invest in a transition will be more than made up for in lack of downtime and frustration. I have converted many businesses to 100% Mac and not one has gone back.

[roseBudd]

72. you need to run several, I would run adaware and counterspy, you are infested with

3rd party tracking cookies

[lostnfound]

76. Have you backed up lately? I just suffered a hard drive crash

and I mean 'suffered'. :(

Since you are a wes developer you're probably more sensible about backups than I was...but just in case.

[merh]

39. repost pallast's article from the 28th

it's worth it's own thread to go in hand with what you have posted.

http://www.gregpalast.com/bushs-new-us-attorney-a-criminal/

[rman]

77. completely off topic:

Why do some people say "of" instead of "have"?

[AndyA]

7. WOW! You must send this to Congress immediately!

And make sure everyone who's anyone on the Dem side gets it!

Bush, meet Nixon. You're walking the same path he walked.

[leftofthedial]

8. it should be illegal to be a repuke

the repuke party is a criminal enterprise

[Warpy]

40. They've certainly degenerated into an interstate racketeering

organization engaged in fraud and money laundering.

That party desperately needs to clean house.

[blm]

10. Why wasn't the DNC's Office of Voter Integrity work on these issues WHILE they were happening?

That is what the office was set up to do in 2001 - and instead, we got MORE voter suppression and stealing in 2004 than we had in 2000.

WTF was Terry McAuliffe doing for four years? Spening money in DC on DC centric projects instead of working to actually COUNTER the moves of the GOP as he was charged with doing.

[peacetalksforall]

42. Yes. THe DLC and many Dems Congresspeople don't give a

damn about voting theft.

[Little Wing]

11. what's a caging list?

[originalpckelly]

16. A list of people used to send direct mail that cannot be forwarded...

the piece mail has instructions to send it back to the RNC. If the person who's name is on the caging list doesn't send it back, the Republicans challenge their voting credentials.

However, there are a number of situations wherein someone would still be capable of voting even if they didn't return the mail. The people on that list didn't return the mail and presumably had their registrations challenged.

[SharonRB]

32. This needs some clarification

This is a more accurate description, from Wikipedia:

"With one type of caging, a political party sends registered mail to addresses of registered voters. If the mail is returned as undeliverable - because, for example, the voter refuses to sign for it, the voter isn't present for delivery, or the voter is homeless - the party uses that fact to challenge the registration, arguing that because the voter could not be reached at the address, the registration is fraudulent. It is this use of direct mail caging techniques to target voters which probably resulted in the application of the name to the political tactic."


It has nothing to do with the person receiving it sending it back or not sending it back. It has to do with it being returned as nondeliverable.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

18. Thanks Little Wing - I need a "Caging Lists and Why They are

Important for Dummies" cram course. I'm sure this is significant, I just don't know why.

Anybody?

[myrna minx]

21. Here's a little background from wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caging_list

[Imalittleteapot]

34. Thanks for wiki link. Now I understand caging. nt

[colorado_ufo]

28. Check out these links!

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/61/20537

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm

[napi21]

17. Isn't this just a contact list for campaign supporters?

I know I had one that looked like that when I volunteered to send letters supporting Dean, and aother one that also included phone numbers when I volunteered to make calls supporting our local Dems.

[originalpckelly]

20. No this is a previously talked about thing...

many times.

[LSK]

19. And Im sure the US Attorney who investigates this will get FIRED

[teach1st]

23. Metadata can be hacked, I think.

Using common tools and taking one minute, I hacked everything but the "CONTENT CREATED" date in the downloaded caging XLS. I'm sure there are ways to hack it all. I know there are ways to erase most of it.




http://www.gcn.com/print/25_4/38253-1.html

[ContraBass Black]

27. Not hard for someone who knows which part of the file to change

Or has time to try several.

[Donnachaidh]

35. okay but - real dopey puter question coming

Isn't there a timestamp generated with each change? If there is, is this hackable too?

[ContraBass Black]

62. Just as easily as changing the other info.

Or easier on Windows, just by resetting the clock to the desired time and date.

[originalpckelly]

29. True.

And heck, you could just register the program to make it look like that.

So what we must do is somehow track down the details and prove or disprove this.

[originalpckelly]

38. I'm looking through the other e-mails and their files...

and they have metadata as well!

:wow:

All of the time/date stamps seem to check out.

[Liberty Belle]

25. Call Kucinich too; he chairs a new committee with domestic policy oversight.

Also Conyers!

[yodermon]

26. I HAVE JUST CONFIRMED THIS.

I've had this Excel doc on my Hard drive for several years now. I have just checked the file properties as per the OP, and indeed it says "Republican Party of Florida", last saved by kporter.

wow.

[libertypirate]

33. I found a reference to the original email this was sent around in

http://riffle.blogspot.com/2004/10/caging.html

kporter is "Kelly Porter"

[mod mom]

41. Thanks for your efforts but didn't Palast break this story?

[merh]

54. yes he did

:hi:

DUers cracked this in '04 - Palast made the connection on the 28th with the AG firings.

[originalpckelly]

55. In fact the reason I'm back to this once again...

is the top story on DU front page about the DOJ's Civil Rights Division being made into a Bushie elections winning machine.

[merh]

56. repost Palast's article from the 28th

He gives the detail and understanding of what you found.

[izzybeans]

36. The sad thing about that database is that it has 1800 or so names on it and it represents

one middle-sized city in one state. There are lists for each metropolitan area of the "battleground states" floating around somewhere. And you know most of them are much larger.

[merh]

44. Check the Election Reform archieves from 2004

There are threads on this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=114640

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=144880

plenty of more at that forum.

[wtmusic]

46. Great work OPK. A link has been sent to KO. nt

[flyarm]

52. hello...this is old news!! ..good work op.. but it has been disected by many in Fla

the dem party..and Aclu..of Fla...


fly

[robinlynne]

53. hang on. double check that. BBC reported that fla caging lists were made by choicepoint.

[karynnj]

61. The question was who was heir client?

[robinlynne]

63. the state of Florida. hired by the SOS. The Repub party may have created that

particular spreadsheet. So there may be proof that elected officials were also tied to the repub party. But since, in fact, they were the HEADS of the repub party at the time (the SOS's of FLorida and Ohio, also happened to be the chairmen of the repub party), that is already known.

[karynnj]

64. Thanks

I thought so, but figured asking was the easiest way to know. Katleen Harris.

[SharonAnn]

73. Katherine Harris (SOS Florida) was not Chair of the Florida Republican Party.

She was, I believe, co-chair of the George W. Bush Presidential Campaign in Florida.

[AnnInLa]

65. I still have some of the caging lists that DUers

captured. The emails were posted on a website for about 3 minutes (georgebush.com or org, can't remember, and they had attachments, which were the caging lists)...are they needed?

[originalpckelly]

68. No, they came up with another website...

and the excel spreadsheet is from there. :hi:

Thanks!

[Maraya1969]

66. These people are despicable

> -----Original Message-----
> From: McCarthy, Sarah (Collins)
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:40 AM
> To: Murphy, Tom (Collins); Vail, Bill (Collins); Card,
> William (Collins); Ford, Jon (Collins); Bosse, Philip (Collins)
> Cc: '[e-mail]'
> Subject: Pineworks- Auburn
>
> Hello All,
>
> Rod Wilson, owner of Pineworks (a furniture maker) in Auburn
> called us this week. His daughter (who works for him) also contacted
> SMC via e-mail.
>
> They advertise with the Sinclair group and are very
> upset/worried about the boycott being organized against them. They
> won't pull their ads because they say the time slot they're in (during
> the Oprah show) is very successful and they would lose thousands of
> dollars by pulling out.
>
> They have received numerous phone calls threatening the business
> but nothing actionable from what I understand.
>
> I am at a loss as to what I can do for them. Obviously,
> consumers are free to organize boycotts and I'm sure SMC wants to stay
> out of this. However, I feel for the company, which is a small family
> owned business that uses all Maine products in their production.
>
> Any thoughts on what I could do for them?
>
> Thanks,


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vail, Bill (Collins)
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:08 AM
> To: McCarthy, Sarah (Collins); Murphy, Tom (Collins); Card, William
> (Collins); Ford, Jon (Collins); Bosse, Philip (Collins)
> Cc: '[e-mail]'
> Subject: RE: Pineworks- Auburn
>
> I'd suggest an op-ed piece written by a" friend" that exposes the
> injustice of these attacks on a local family owned business.
> The friend could focus on the notion that Kerry supporters are
> apparently willing to damage local businesses and families in their
> effort to stifle free speech.
> Pineworks isn't sponsoring the anti-Kerry piece right? They are simply
> buying ad time on the local channel.
>
>
> Politics is however, a contact sport.


-----Original Message-----
From: Ford, Jon (Collins)
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:23 AM
To: Vail, Bill (Collins) ; McCarthy, Sarah (Collins) ; Murphy, Tom (Collins) ; Card, William (Collins) ; Bosse, Philip (Collins)
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Pineworks- Auburn

you are some smooooth!

[Robbien]

69. The RNC Senate telling the local RNC to lie about themselves

to the local newspapers!

The way they are talking, it seems they have a guarantee the local paper will print any phony LTTE they receive from the local RNC.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

70. Nasty little lyin' shits.

I can't believe the Congress is taking a long recess.

They need to turn up the heat.

As someone here said recently, "They need to bring their jammies and toothbrush, and plan to stay awhile."

[wordpix]

71. good work, originalpckelly! I wonder what else georgewbush.org will turn up

there has to be something juicy. I am picturing the WH asses sweating it out as more info becomes public. :rofl: :evilgrin:

[autorank]

75. K&R Kudos to you! This is hilarious. What "morans" Thanks! n/t