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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:46 AM
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I got this from Barney Frank today
I called his office upset about the bill, my beleifs were more alligned with Kusinich.
I am so prous of Barney Frank, and shame on me for slamming him. (long read)
Dear Ms. Stewart:

By now you are aware that I voted for the supplemental
appropriation that provided further funding for the military, and set
a date of March 2008 by which American troops must begin to be
withdrawn from Iraq, if that has not happened before.

I voted for this bill because I believe it represented the best chance
we have, given the current composition of Congress, to begin to
end American involvement in this disastrous war.

As you know, I voted against this war from the outset and I have
been critical of it ever since. In addition to being badly conceived
and based on justifications that were blatantly false, it has been
conducted in a way that compounds the original error. I have for
some time been a sponsor of the bill filed by my colleague Jim
McGovern to begin a withdrawal in the very near term, and I was
one of the founding members of the Out Of Iraq Caucus. I voted
for the supplemental bill because I was and am convinced that it
was the best way for us to advance these objectives.

I would of course have preferred a bill calling for a much earlier
withdrawal - that is why I am a cosponsor of Jim McGovern's.
But the unfortunate fact is that while we made great gains in the
last election with regard to people who are opposed to this war
serving in Congress, we have not yet reached the majority that we
need. This is especially problematic in the Senate where the
Democrats have finally moved to a position of opposition on the
whole, but where the illness of Senator Johnson and the continued
strong support for the war of Senator Lieberman mean that there is
not yet an effective majority for the kind of legislation that I think
we need. I am hoping that the Senate will at least do what the
House did in the near term, but even that is uncertain as I write -
although the outcome may be clear by the time you receive this.

I am not very confident that the various benchmarks included in
this bill will prove much of an obstacle to a president who is
prepared to say or do anything to perpetuate this terrible mistake of
a war that he has launched us on. But I am encouraged in two
ways by the fact that the bill includes a firm date by which we
must begin a withdrawal - even though it is a date far later in time
than I would have preferred.

First, it is a firm withdrawal date for this war and if the bill that
included it did not pass - and if in fact it is subsequently defeated
by a veto or in some other way - I am afraid that we will be in Iraq
for an even longer period. That is, I can see no alternative to this
bill that would get us out of this war sooner, and I am afraid that
the alternatives that we may yet see will be alternatives that will
prolong our stay. I can say that I am strongly inclined at this point
to vote against any legislation that might come subsequent to this
that weakens the commitment in that bill for a withdrawal, and I
will certainly vote against any appropriation for this bill that
simply provides money without any withdrawal date of a firm
nature, which has been my position from the beginning with regard
to this war.

But this bill was important for another reason as well. In addition
to the specific need to withdraw from Iraq, the bill represents the
beginning of a break with the longstanding Congressional practice
of dereliction of duty with regarding war. For the last hundred
years at least, Congress has failed to exercise any of its
constitutional and democratic responsibilities to control the use of
American military force. The pattern has been for Members of
Congress to complain about various military activities but in fact to
do nothing to try to end them. Even in the case of Viet Nam,
Congress did not act until American troops were withdrawn. This
supplemental bill that passed the House represents the first time in
American history that either house has met its constitutional
responsibility to take a strong position on an ongoing war. The
fact that we voted in the majority to compel a withdrawal of
American troops - again even though it is much later than I would
like it to be - has a great deal of significance. I believe going
forward we are much less likely to see the kind of unchecked
executive power in the field of war-making, because of this
important precedent.

The angry denunciations of this bill by the President and the Vice
President reinforce my view that it was in fact the most effective
thing we could do with the current composition of Congress to
generate pressure for American withdrawal. I will continue to do
everything I can consistent with the political situation in which we
find ourselves in Congress - by which I mean the composition of
the membership - to put an end to American involvement in what I
believe is from many perspectives the worst mistake our country
has ever made in the international sphere.

Barney Frank




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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:49 AM
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1. Awesome!
I love Barney :D
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:49 AM
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2. What a nice response.
When my senators or rep disagree with my letters, I get a one-paragraph "Thanks for writing but I disagree cause of x, x and x." type response.

Then again, mine are all republicans so...
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:51 AM
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5. I wrote trent lott
a scathing ass chewing about the Iraq War and the response I got was worse then a form letter. Thank you for your concern, we'll continue to do what's right, blah, blah, blah. A waste of paper. Just let a voting constituent know you don't give a fuck about his point of view.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:57 AM
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10. Exactly.
Form letters with no thought whatsoever put into them.

Then again, considering what passes for 'thought' where those people are concerned... maybe we shouldn't take it too personal.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:49 AM
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3. See, folks, sometimes you have to compromise, accept half a loaf.
Barney understands this.

I wish more DUers did.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:53 AM
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8. agreed
I also wish that more of the Democratic politicians understood this as well.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:51 AM
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4. Let's face it sasha031 ...
our state congressional delegation ROCKS!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:52 AM
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7. Most of ours (Mississippi) are ROCKS
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:57 AM
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11. We're ALL Dem here ...
it's great to listen to the few repugs here in the local media whine about how there should be more repugs in Congress from the Bay State. Poor babies. :rofl:
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:35 PM
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20. Well, rocks are useful for some things. Our c-critters aren't.
(Oklahoma)

:grr:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:52 AM
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6. Thank you. And--well, I gotta say it.
Remember all the furor over Dave Obey & his "idiot liberals" comment? Plus the occupation of his office by enraged (misguided) peace activists?

This. plus his short-fuzed temper explain why he reacted as he did.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:58 AM
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12. He apologized though, right?
He oughtta take a lesson from our Barney here.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:57 PM
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22. Yup. And yup.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:54 AM
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9. I love Barney and when redistricting came
along in 1994 he was no longer my congressperson. Then Jim McGovern came into town and everything was good again. I have been most fortunate 20 years of great congresspeople. I know it and appreciste it.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:59 AM
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13. Thank you for posting this.
We can help true patriots like Barney Frank by continuing to put pressure on Congress to act to end the debacle in Iraq.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:06 PM
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15. I'm moving to Indiana shortly
In a way I hate it because of the representation we have here. I'm moving to a better home, but when I get letters from Barney, I wish things were differant and I could stay in this location.

Leaving Kerry and Kennedy to a very red state oooohh, now I am depressed.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:02 PM
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14. The bill isn't as bad as I had orginally thought
When I first read 2008 I thought, no no no! But then I read on and it says they have to take out like 30-40,000 troops in 3-4 months from now and have them all out in a year. That is far better than nothing happening till 2009 or later.

I want them all out now too, but Barney is right, the senate isn't strong enough yet and some of the congress from the southern and central states won't vote for that. So its the best we can get. I just wonder what will happen when Bush veto's it??
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:27 PM
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16. "...the bill represents the beginning of a break with the longstanding Congressional practice ...
of dereliction of duty with regarding war." There's nugget of gold!

Congress cannot change, in a few weeks with a slim majority, what the GOP has spent DECADES putting into place with a full press of politics and societal strategies. Frank has earned the right to tell us this is the best we can do, for now, and remind us that it is also OUR job to force changes. We have to hold media's feet to the fire, and not just giggle and nod with Jib Jab. We have to find and elect more solid DEMS to offices AT EVERY LEVEL, local & federal. We have to INSIST that regulatory positions not be used to help set policy which enables agendas that destroy the American Republic.

Democracy is not a spectator sport. We don't get to rest on our laurels after one barely successful election cycle. We don't get to bitch that they aren't fixing it all fast enough when we haven't yet provided the tools to do the job (a veto-proof, rock solid majority and a vocal public to make the neocons cower in the corner) We're getting there, but our part takes time too, so we best keep our efforts up and remember we are on the same side.

Barney Frank is a patriot and a realist. There is no reason people can't be both.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:39 PM
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21. how beautifully put
:applause:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:31 PM
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oops double post
Edited on Fri Mar-30-07 12:31 PM by alyce douglas
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:31 PM
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17. Great letter.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:32 PM
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18. What a great response!
Barney's the best.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:34 PM
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19. I LOVE Barney Frank! nt
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:18 PM
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23. I still don't agree,but I highly respect the man and his views.
And that was the best argument in favor that I've seen yet.It's hard for me to ignore the views of my favorite politician. :)
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:20 PM
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24. i Love barney
:patriot:

i Love our deLegation. :bounce:
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