America is done for

[martymar64]

With the direction our country has gone in the past 60 years, I've concludedthat the America that we were all taught about in school with the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and Bill of Rights, liberty and equal justice for all, is dead and not coming back. All I see around me is war, crime, bigotry, deceit, greed and cynicism. The political parties have sold themselves to the highest bidder. Foreign countries like Israel drive our foreign policy. The Republicans have become overtly evil, stripping all the freedoms they claim to be protecting and the Democrats prove time and again that they lack the will to stop that evil. When elections are subverted, they don't even raise a peep. They eagerly eat up the jingoistic bullshit used to justify the pillaging of other countries and our environment. The rest of the world is lining up to dine on our corpse once it starts kicking around. Our economy is in shambles, we are reduced to a nation of paupers. Voting is an exercise in futility, every election its the same old stiffs that couldn't care less about the people, only about lining their own pockets and their own self-aggrandizement. The list can go on and on.

I've voiced my outrage at our sitiuation only to be called a far lefty and an idealistic idiot.

So now, I simply give up. This country is no longer worth fighting for. If I could move, I would. But we have tainted every country on this planet so there is nowhere to escape to. I'm no longer going to bother with voting, it won't count anyway, having been stolen by black-box machines with no accountability. Neither party even bothers to represent me and most of the people anymore, they exist solely for the wealthy elites and the corporations. And besides the only candidate for president worth voting for won't win because he's not photogenic enough. The fix is already in. I'd be surprised if we even have an election next year.
I've tried to resist despairing about our country but it's all been for naught. It's dead, Jim.
So what do we do now? I don't know. I guess I'll just look out for me and mine. That seems to be the way to go. Citizenship is a worthless concept these days. As a country we'll be lucky to avoid civil war, we're so polarized. In a few years we'll more closely resemble Bosnia. To all of you that still value freedom, stock up on guns and ammo, you'll need it. When this war is over, Bush and his cabal will be turning their Shock and Awe on us. It'll be like Chile circa 1973, writ large.
I hope I'm wrong. but my eyes tell me different.

[porphyrian]

1. Just get out of the way before you become an obstacle. - n/t

[martymar64]

2. I'll make my stand at home

If you come to my house, you better come heavy . . .

[TheWatcher]

122. And I will gladly stand by your side in that respect

The sad thing is he fails to realize that the obstacle is himself as well as those who simply will not wake up to the fact of how truly serious this is.

Americans are becoming a bigger enemy to themselves than the monsters who they employ to endanger them.

So desperate are we to believe that this can all easily be wiped away and reversed by an election cycle.

The Broken Record will keep on playing after 2008 as well.

[SteppingRazor]

3. So, before 60 years ago, we didn't have war, crime, bigotry, deceit, greed and cynicism?

:shrug:

[martymar64]

5. Sure, but sixty years ago, about 1945

We brought nazis into our Government - Operation Paperclip. That action has finally borne it's rancid fruit.

[SteppingRazor]

9. I just thought that 60 years ago was a bit arbitrary...

although, if you're going to point the finger at that era, I'd say the National Security Act of 1947 has a lot more to do with the current state of affairs than providing refuge for some Nazi scientists.

[martymar64]

13. The key prize of Paperclip was Reinhard Gehlen

formerly of the Gestapo. They puled him in and he convinced the Gov't that there was a Soviet threat. This lead to the National Security Act. It's all related.

[librechik]

55. exactly--the takeover was lon ago; we just didn't realize it

and still don't for the most part. You should hear the derision and skepticism when I mention the Paper Clip factor at family events.

[BeHereNow]

83. You win the DU truth prize for the day.

You are so correct.
This has been going on for decades and
we are now experiencing the rotting and
bitter fruit of their labor.

It aint getting better in our lifetimes.
As a matter of fact it will get worse
before it gets much worse.

BHN

[knight_of_the_star]

86. That's highly innacurate

One former Gestapo didn't need to do that, Stalin did a fine job on his own.

[martymar64]

96. But we DID hitch our wagon to Nazis

You can't deny that. It's the same group that eventually snuffed JFK.

[knight_of_the_star]

111. You oversimplify

To ascribe EVERYTHING that has gone wrong to just that, to blame the CIA for everything is the easy way out and intellectually dishonest and highly inaccurate.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

4. Okey Dokey Pokey.

[martymar64]

7. Mock me if you want

But where will you hide when it all goes up in flames?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

10. 1. Ain't Gonna Happen. 2. I Don't Run And Hide. I Stand And Fight.

[martymar64]

12. I will too

If you come to my house, you better be waving a white flag. It's going to be every man for themself.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. ...

:spray:

[BeHereNow]

27. You'll hear no mockery from me.

I'm with ya.
I just re read Antony Sutton's book, "Trilaterals Over Washington."
When you feel a little better, look it up online- there are
several sites that have it in PDF to read at your computer,
a stiff drink in hand.
Read it when you have the time.
You will learn that you are not imagining anything-
It is far worse actually than what the average
citizen comprehends., and it has been going
on for decades.

BHN

[BeHereNow]

43. Here is a link to an online copy of Sutton's "Trilaterals" book

http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2006/10/119694.pdf
From the introduction:

"...However, in populist political circles the Trilateral Commis-
sion is a transparent device to achieve New World Order,
which sound suspiciously like other dictatorial "World
Orders." From this viewpoint Trilaterals are enemies of
freedom and intent on gaining a monopoly of world political
power for their own benefit.
Twenty years ago the Trilateral Commission had very little
history; one could not track its intentions from its actions.
Today, in 1994, one can look at 20 years of Trilateral history
and more accurately assess their objectives in the light of
past political actions and member appointments to various
Administrations."

About Sutton at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton

More links to his work and an interview.

If you read his work, you begin to see what you
view in the current world situation much differently
and with far deeper understanding as to what you are seeing
and who benefits.

Hope this helps.

BHN

[Jcrowley]

129. Thanks for that

Been lookin' for it.

:toast:

Also looking for Holly Sklar's classic.

[JuniperLea]

11. That's...

Okey dokey pig in a pokey.

Get your mocking words straight, will ya?

:silly:

[cali]

71. LOL.

Or as I like to say: simple is as simple does.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

6. Well, in that hole of despair and hopelessness, you really have no where else to go.

:hug: Maybe, you should take a break and walk along a river or beach or something.

Psst,...antidepressants could help, too. :hug:

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14. oh goodie, a friday afternoon defeatist post

:eyes:

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[EstimatedProphet]

26. So is that what needs to be done? Really?

Why are you leaving it to someone else then?

[LSK]

30. what needs to be done is to stop crying about the end of the world

and work for candidates that you believe in to get them elected.

[EstimatedProphet]

32. Well put.

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79. Look, don't get me wrong

I would love to see this administration start paying for its crimes. I'd even love more to see mouthy pissant little freepers get some fistface time. My point is that it is beginning to happen now. I agree with you about Dean, but remember he is now head of the DNC, and perhaps the biggest part in the change we have seen these last 6 months has been due to his work.

Things are changing, and for the better. Imagine it like a train. Picture a locomotive starting up. The wheels spin a lot, and don't have any traction at first. Give it a short period of time, and the train is moving. A little more, and it is a serious force to be reckoned with. We're just getting started right now.

[LSK]

94. forget the Presidency, get on a Congressional campaign

9 Senates seats to gain to be filibuster proof.

[cali]

72. Concise, to the point and true.

What more could one ask for?

[martymar64]

76. We agree on something?

Hooray!


On Edit: I shouldv'e known! I hoped too much that you would see the light.
Maybe you should go back to your "Let's invade Iran" thread!

[cali]

81. No. Sorry.

I'd like to agree with you on something, but to date, I haven't agreed with anything you've written.

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[martymar64]

126. Self Delete

n/t

[The River]

16. I Have a Friend

who feels the same way a lot of the time.
I tell him: "Just be glad you aren't living your life
in 10th century Europe." and he realizes things could be much worse.

To paraphrase Rummy: Sometimes you just have to live the life you have,
not the life you wish you had."

What if civil rights activists just gave up?
What if equal rights activists just gave up?
What if everyone fighting for Democracy just gave up?

You sound tired and worn out.
Don't give up. Just take a break and get some rest.
Things are getting better despite the lack of evidence.

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[martymar64]

77. Come on and try it, you'll feel much better

Just imagine you're beating up Hitler! There's not too much difference.

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[INDIA]

75. My parents are Nazis? Oh noes!

What should I do!!! Help!!!! I'm was raised by Ma and Pa Hitler!

[martymar64]

78. Don't feel bad, I have some in my family too

I'll sure miss them. :dilemma: :sarcasm:

[Carni]

127. That's stupid

I know a lot of people who are die hard Dems who were once young repukes...they aren't animals or scum, they're just young people finding their way.

Cut them some slack.

[Skink]

17. I think within a century the leftist wave coming up from South America will.

find it's way here.

[martymar64]

19. God I hope so, we really need it now!

Thanks for giving me hope!

[EstimatedProphet]

21. I'll keep the line about stocking up on guns and ammo

I'll leave the rest for someone else. Open your eyes, things are changing for the better in this country.

[martymar64]

24. Things were looking up from 1974 - 1980

then Ronnie Raygun came along. We should have thrown Nixon in prison while we had the chance. Now his poisonous spawn have taken over.

[EstimatedProphet]

25. Well, I won't argue with that, but

America, I think, is starting to wake up from its sleep, and realize that the conservative lies lead directly to a bunker with a pistol under the chin. Things were much bleaker 2 years ago, when everything was as bad as it is now but no one was allowed to say it without fearing attacks from inbred freepers while they slept.

[Cronus Protagonist]

22. I hate to hear Americans giving up

What would Thomas Jefferson do?

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[RL3AO]

29. Get rid of republican rule and start a democracy? Thats your idea?

[martymar64]

34. Exactly . . restore the constitution!

Don't hold your breath though.

[RL3AO]

35. I guess I forgot the sarcasm tags.

[CJCRANE]

37. The Constitution is like kryptonite

to Bushco (or like a cross to a vampire).

Just need to get close enough to rub their noses in it.

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[CJCRANE]

31. Just need to undo

the Counter-Revolution that Bushco implemented.

That can be done by legal means.

Bushco will end, not with a bang but a whimper.

[RL3AO]

33. It will be undone...in the 2008 elections.

[martymar64]

39. Not if Diebold has anything to say about it

Go ahead and prove me wrong. I welcome it! I'd much rather be totally incorrection in my prediction. Nobody wants their country to fail, but just like Daniel I see the writing on the wall.

But your idealism is cute in a naive sort of way!

[INDIA]

97. Did you sleep through the midterm elections?

I don't recall Diebold stealing those. Did they just give up? Or is it all part of KKKarl's master super dooper conspiracy?

[martymar64]

117. But Democrats aren't doing anything with their victory

They have this golden opportunity but they're quaking in fear that Lieberman might leave so they offer up toothless non-binding resolutions.
They need to start having these Rethugs arrested and imprisoned, not playing pattycake with them. Why is Rove still walking free? Why isn't he is Gitmo? Why isn't Ann Coulter in jail for voter fraud? Why aren't the impeachments starting? Why is Fox News still allowed to broadcast? It seems they've given up before they've even started.
If the Dem Congress wants my support, they better grow some huevos and pronto.

[EstimatedProphet]

121. How about we make a legal concrete case first?

Congress happens to be working on doing just that right now. Start watching the committes work and you'll see.

We can't just arrest these people. We don't have a case yet. Repigs are the ones that put people behind bars without trial, not us.

[PassingFair]

135. They miscalculated. n/t

[RL3AO]

28. Lets see...

The most powerful country in the world with the strongest military and a top 3 economy...and were done for? Right.

[martymar64]

36. The Bigger they are, they harder they fall

Are military is now a paper tiger. We couldn't even pacify a third world country decimated by a previous war and twelve years of starvation sanctions.
Our economy is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of China. If you wanna succeed, you better learn Mandarin pronto!

[RL3AO]

38. Our military could CRUSH any military in the world if we had to.

And this is without using nukes.

[martymar64]

41. You might want to inform China and Russia

They're already lining up against us for the opportunity. Plus the way things are going in Iraq, we're bound to see some mutinies amongst the troops.

[RL3AO]

42. We could crush China or Russia if we had to.

Remember...this is without nukes. If nukes are involved, every one is dead.

[ret5hd]

46. And let me guess...all of this WITHOUT YOU!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

oh god, you kill me!

[RL3AO]

47. We are the most powerful nation in the world

and on 1/20/2008, it will return to normal. The US is not going to fall. So quit making all of this panic threads.

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[BeHereNow]

57. It would be polite to offer the rest of us...

some of what you are smoking.

BHN

[martymar64]

65. I'm just angry

Angry that the Rethugs are rolling over on us and our "representatives" are doing jack shit about it.

If you're not mad too, you must not be paying attention.

On Edit: I see that you know what's up from your other post upthread. It's good to have kindred souls that are seeing this!

[BeHereNow]

67. I think you replied to the wrong post. I was speaking to our new friend...

As I posted upthread, you'll hear no mockery from me.
I agree with you more than you can imagine.
Do try to check out the book I recommended to
you upthread.

Everything will make much more sense to
you, in a horrifying sort of way.

You are not imagining anything, in fact
you do not go far enough as you will see
if you check out Sutton's work.

BHN

[martymar64]

70. I saw that after the fact

You're one of the good guys!

[BeHereNow]

82. Actually, I'm one of the BAD girrrls who hangs out with the good guys on DU...

Bwahahahah:smoke:

[martymar64]

89. I can dig it!

:hug:

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[BeHereNow]

63. BUT! We are SAFE!

:sarcasm:

BHN:evilgrin:

[martymar64]

48. If nukes are involved, we die too!

Don't kid yourself about crushing Russia and China. It'll never happen, Hitler and Napoleon couldn't beat Russia. China has waaaay too many people to be defeated. Iraq has decimated our military beyond repair for the next couple of decades. Besides, Russia has greater energy resources than we do and China is our biggest creditor. If they wanted, they could easily squash our economy simply by floating the yuan. If they do that, our dollars will be worth the same as the Mexican peso.

[RL3AO]

50. Your right. China could crush our enconomy..

but it would also crush theirs. We are their biggest exporter. Dont tell me China would come out of that in perfect shape.

[martymar64]

54. No they won't come out in perfect shape

But it will hurt us a lot worse than it will hurt them. The Chinese are a tougher people than Americans by a long shot. We've grown too fat and complacent with ESPN and American Idol. Read about the Long March, it a good indicator of their resilience.

[CJCRANE]

44. But what does that actually achieve?

Iraq was crushed and is now in chaos. Who has that helped? It's just draining the treasury.

[RedCappedBandit]

40. I don't think it ever was the America we were taught about.

[martymar64]

45. it wasn't , really.

Read Howard Zinn's "People's History of the United States" if you haven't already. That is the real story of our country, built on enslavement and genocide and oppression.

[cali]

74. That is PART or the history of this country

not THE history of this country. And Zinn would surely tell you that.

[martymar64]

80. It's the truest part of our history

The toughest thing to give up is one's illusions. But only when when we've given up everything can we achieve anything.


A Dream Deferred
By Langston Hughes

What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up ?like a raisin in the sun? ?
Or fester like a sore-- ?And then run?
?Does it stink like rotten meat?
?Or crust and sugar over-- ?like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags ?like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?

[librechik]

53. one bright spot: Soylent green tastes better than dog food

who am I kidding--there isn't a bright spot.

Therefore my family and I have decided to enjoy what's left of civilization like there is no tomorrow, and be happy no matter what. Just feels good, even on the brink.

[martymar64]

56. I like your attitude

I hope to get to that point someday.

[BeHereNow]

61. I enjoy dirt sandwiches myself, the soylent green is a bit fatty for my taste.

Grass soup with gravel is nice on the side.

You can see I've planned my future menu well, eh?
AND I'll be SAFE! As a newbie upthread has assured me.

I guess I can go with being hungry, as long as I'm SAFE
from those China men, Russian commies and brown people
in general...
:sarcasm: :banghead: :grr:

BHN

[Telly Savalas]

58. 60 years Black and White folks drank from different water fountains

and homosexuality was considered a mental illness.

Drop the nostalgia for a past that never was.

[martymar64]

68. Like I said upthread

"People's History" by Zinn is what really happened. I'm not nostalgic for something that never was. In 1945, that's when it went from bad to worse.

[pretzel4gore]

59. they're finally banning plastic bags...

i'm no more a bother lover then anyone: yes plastic bags are a friggin convenience, as is tossing junk out the window, but mygod why weren't those stupid enviroment-destroying things banned long ago? to watch the men who run society work is to witniss endless stupidity. and if that's true here, in america where we have the vote, and are on the cutting edge technically, then what chance does a brutalised world where 1/2 the people have never made a phone call have? our movies draw em in all over the place (was it 2 billion people watching the goddam academy awards?) and, one might think, almost 2 generations after we went to the moon, still the jokers running the most sophisticated goddam country on earth finally recognised that free plastic bags as a bad thing? ...why is marijuana illegal when only 100 years ago it was among the nation's main crops (hemp) yet no one could face the fact the drug, alcohol and textile industries schemed to make pot illegal, SCHEMED against the public knowing what was going on, just in order to feather their stinking nests! And that was ok? it was ok to have the oil/auto industries buy up and destroy the city rail transit systems throughout the nation? And the electric car? they killed it in secret, but that was ok because the big tough brilliant alpha men in power said so? We are the humpty dumpty of human societies, precisely because we glorify the authority figure in society at the same time those fukking dingbats can't see, for example, that plastic bags, tens of billions of them given out free, are wasteful, harmful and only of benefits to the oil comps!
bush represents them guys very well.
let's count this, martymar64, as CONSTRUCTIVE criticism....

[martymar64]

69. Sounds good to me!

Keep fighting the good fight!

[Toots]

66. "I been down so goddamn long it looks like up to me"

:shrug: I feel your pain

[knight_of_the_star]

85. This country has been there before

Look up the Gilded Age. It was even worse then, and we pulled out and did just fine in spite of it.

[martymar64]

90. I see it more as 1860

The fun's just beginning

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[Marnieworld]

91. BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

:thumbsdown:

[martymar64]

101. Gore's already given up!

If he won't do the right thing and run again for Pres, what good is he? If I was you, I be looking for alittle payback against those Rethug bastards.

[Jonathan50]

93. I haven't found anyone in real life that I can tell what I know to..

Nobody wants to hear it.

They are all happy with their Survivor and American Idol and NASCAR.

The only place I'm listened to is on the intertubes..

The funny thing is that everyone in real life that knows me knows that I'm far better informed than they are and yet they won't listen to me and they get angry if I try to talk anyway.

I was in a debate on Salon.com letters section last night and today. Out of all the people posting there I only got one to see my point about the invalidity of "unalienable rights".

It is discouraging.

[Marie26]

95. What a cheery post.

The fact that Democrats won back the House & Senate means nothing?

[INDIA]

98. Yeah. I guess the massive Diebold lead conspiracy...

just didn't feel like working this time around.

[cali]

99. I actually don't think

that it's the predictable doom and gloom crap compounded with the revolution now! shit, that's the worst part of the post, it's that it's so trite and predictable.

[Marie26]

Yeah, it hits every DU cliche in one post.

I should just hide this thread.

[martymar64]

109. If you don't like it, find another thread.

nobody's holding a gun to your head.

[martymar64]

105. Nobody asked you to stick around

n/t

[Marie26]

108. Ooh, burn! nt

[cali]

110. Too true.

But if I feel like posting on your trite, bullshit thread, then I will. Don't like it? Too bad.

[martymar64]

102. but they're squandering the opportunity

They should be sticking it to theRethugs like there's no tomorrow but they're so scared that Holy Joe will jump ship that they're paralyzed with fear.

[Marie26]

107. Conyers, Leahy & Waxman aren't

Pelosi isn't - she just corralled the votes to get a timeline to end the Iraq War. I swear, sometimes it seems like people prefer despair over hope. This is the most hopeful & powerful time Democrats have had in 6 years.

[martymar64]

119. You named 4 out out 500 some odd congress people

We'll need to better than that! Granted they are fighting, but they need to put impeachment back on the table. No compromises, no back rooom deals. The Rethugs need to be crushed once and for all. Are they willing to go the distance and do that? If they do, then I'll have reason to hope. But once they do, then we'll deal with the traitors in our own ranks!

[cali]

134. Allow me

to name a few more:

John Lewis
Barbara Lee
Lynn Woolsey
Dennis Kucinish
Bernie Sanders
Ted Kennedy
Russ Feingold
Maxine Waters

And that's just off the top of my head, there are many, many more.

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[natrat]

103. i like honest posts-i could give a fuck about all this but what saddens

me is the planet breaking down. Cultures have come and gone. Planets like this are rare.

[chknltl]

104. But has the sky fallen?????

Why do I keep seeing the unkempt walking billboard guy with the "End is Near" as his message? Well I am pleased to learn that the America of my fantasy is long gone... for me it's high time we do something about the non-fantasy one. This will be quite a challenge for those who are practicing that yoga technique of sticking their heads between their legs and kissing their sorry asses goodby!
chknltl

[martymar64]

114. The Truth is the Truth

Remember the Odyssey? Cassandra's punishment was to be able to predict the future but nobody would believe her.
Believe me or not, I don't care. I'm beyond caring anymore. I'll fight for what's mine, you fight for what's yours. As long as our interests don't conflict, everything's jake! I'm just planning for life post-America the way Russia is now post-Soviet Union.

[cali]

123. THE TRUTH

is a myth. No one has a franchise on the truth. Not that you'd know it if it walked up and tapped you on the shoulder. (Note how one can make a point without resorting to violent imagry._

[bryant69]

113. I won't rest until everybody is as defeated as I am

I guess I had you pegged right at the first; I'm trying to be nicer, but really there isn't any point.

Just go off and quit and stop trying to convince the rest of us to give up along with you.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[martymar64]

115. You came to my thread, not vice versa

If you don't like it, there's the door.

[bryant69]

116. Why yes there it is

But not before noting that what you are doing is reprehensible.

Bryant

[martymar64]

118. Whatever dude, smell ya later.

eom

[leftofthedial]

120. you idealistic far lefty

you're pretty much right

we live in a Potemkin Village of a country

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[MN ChimpH8R]

130. The coup was implemented on 11/22/63, the day

democracy died, and it has been downhill ever since. The grand economic royalists' conspiracy greatly accelerated with Reagan, who permanently lowered the country's collective IQ by 30%, Bush 1 and has reached its apotheosis with Chimpolini and the utterly corrupt Cheney neo-conmen.

The thing that has to be realized is that the reich wing has never stopped fighting the New Deal. These scumbags and bloodsuckers have been around in one form or another for over seventy years. Eisenhower knew that he had to keep a close eye on the military-industrial complex and knew it for the danger it was. It is no coincidence that the plan was implemented against the first post-Ike president.

Sadly, I am afraid you are right.

[Swamp Rat]

131. RESIST!!

:patriot:

[The empressof all]

136. Locking

As our Nancy says "Take a deep breath"

I know it's hard with all the flames here but really....