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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 07:32 PM Original message |
Poll question: Is the death penalty a deterrent to crime? |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. Not really a fair question because it's impossible to know the answer. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. bunch of >links>> you will only find Wing Nut Politicians run'n for office support'n the claim it is |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. woooo |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. what are you referring to..?? |
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Boomerang Diddle (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Why is countries with no death penalty have much lower |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
49. And why is it that countries that have way more guns, |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #49 |
65. Cuz it's too fucking cold to go outside and shoot somebody most of the time |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. LOL. You may have it... |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #68 |
80. Canada has the land mass of the US and the population of Texas |
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HelenWheels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #49 |
75. They have different type of gun |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. It's pretty funny that someone would use Canada as an argument against gun control |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
86. they have a better education system.. on a Quantum level, 3rd world countries have better schools |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
99. It is a fair question and one thing that can be examined is |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. but it is a Blood Sacrifice for votes when Politicians promise to kill prisoners if elected |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. It is a specific deterrent. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. No it stastically is not.... see post #5 links !Thirteen innocent people on IL Death Row!! |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
87. Yes it is. A "specific deterrent" means that someone who gets that punishment will not committ |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. faulty logic, that isnt a deterrent to other people the subject in discussion.. not even cute |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #96 |
102. It is not faultty logic either. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. killing people s a crime, .. what part of "Life", Liberty and... dont you understand.?? |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. OK OK .... it's you that's faulty.. there is aways one in the crowd that doesnt get it, |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. Well at least one person is deterred. n/t |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Recividism among the executed tends to be quite low. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. link..>> |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Their it is! You're spelling of "Recidivism" is a tell. |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I have no idea what you are smoking |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. You have no idea, period. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
92. Maybe it would help... |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
76. LOL |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
90. Regardless of their guilt or innocence. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
98. It hovers at about zero, right? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
79. See #78. -nt |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
9. no..the deterrent to crime.. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. And a sign of how sick our society is - that an a*hole that would mock a condemned woman |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
12. Countries the permit the death penalty |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
13. No, it is not a deterrent to crime. The highest murder rates are in death penalty states. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. criminals kill witnesses in DP states to avoid the DP.. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
73. So they avoid the death penalty by committing a capital offense? nt |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
85. yes that is what i said... they find dead victims and dead witnesses or people thought to have been |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
93. Is this conjecture on your part...? |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. piss off.... chronically cynical, why bother.. go play head games somewhere else |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Aren't the highest murder rates also in the |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. No. Do you really think death penalty states have the strictest gun control laws? |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. No I don't believe the death penalty states |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Take the gun control factor out. Death penalty states have higher murder rates, in general. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. How do you explain New Hampshire with the lowest? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:39 AM Response to Reply #45 |
70. New Hampshire hasn't executed anyone in like 60 years. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. How do you explain New Hampshire with the |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
69. Your "belief" or not is immaterial. It's a fact. |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
16. Picking pockets used to be a capital crime |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
17. No, I don't think so. If it is, it might be in 5% of cases. NT |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
20. It is a deterrent to the state not becoming a murderer, because at some point innocent people |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
25. No |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
89. My sentiments exactly, but you said it better than I did! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
26. It certainly deters whoever is executed. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Yes but what if it creates on average 1.1 new criminals? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
48. Do you have a study that says that? |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. That doesn't make sense. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Let me break it down for you, when they are dead they won't commit anymore crimes. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Duh! But the death penalty didn't stop them |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Really, your pulling my leg right? |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. No it doesn't. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. They certainly won't do it again when they are dead. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. They wouldn't do it again were they in prison, either yes? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. No not really, they can kill another prisoner or a guard. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Reaching that far to justify a point is just sad. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. So you don't value the lives of guards and other inmates as much as members of the public. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. They why not just execute all inmates, Dave? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I never said we should execute any of them. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. The death penalty isn't execution? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Don't know how you managed to come up with that? You may need some sleep. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Let me quote you: |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Is there something factually wrong with those statements? |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. You're a total loss. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. You appear to be at a loss. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Again, your "deterrent" is a simple elimination. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. That was the intent of the statement, to demonstrate that it wasn't a societal deterrent. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. You do realize that inmates with life sentences with no possibility of parole... |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Let me repeat myself |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I never said I was behind the death penalty or it's other name execution. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. What stops them BEFORE they are dead? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. They are still a threat to other inmates or guards. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. So better to kill them on the off chance they might harm an inmate or guard? n/t |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Never said that. Only that they wouldn't be a threat if they were dead. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Okay. n/t |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. And since roughly 99% of people who were executed committed crimes in the past |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. I haven't taken a position either way. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
107. i have proof you are irrefutably wrong... >LINK>> Thirteen innocent people on IL Death Row!! |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #26 |
78. You fail to understand what "deterrence" is. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. You seem to be the only one who actually got it. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
94. regardless of whether they were guilty or innocent. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Absolutely. |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
105. Um, No It Doesn't. He Already Killed Someone |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
32. Fear of revenge is rarely a deterrent. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
34. Nope. It has never has been. n/t |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
42. It's a punishment for committing a crime |
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HelenWheels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:44 AM Response to Reply #42 |
71. spending the rest of your life in prison is worse |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
72. You can't rape and murder another person again when you are dead. n/t. |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
100. Already did, hence, no deterrent |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
74. Seeing as how the states with the highest rates of execution have the highest rates of homicide... |
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JitterbugPerfume (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
77. barbaric |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
81. hardly- if you're gonna die for doing wrong, might as well |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
83. The death penalty doesn't serve the interests of anyone |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
88. I don't think a person who is willing to commit murder necessarily |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
91. NO, obviously. k/r n/t |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
97. To the same degree that long prison sentences are. |
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104. Anyone Who Says Yes Is Woefully Ignorant |
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