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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:03 PM Original message |
Obama is shooting for the top regarding this torture issue. |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Just as long as you don't say anything about keeping powder dry |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I know how you feel but I think Obama is a deliberate man and |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
84. Do you find praying over politicians a productive strategy? |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. I only hope so we have been jerked around for too long. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
43. Yeah, 90 days is completely fucked up/. |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. Fucked up as far as time to sort all this out legally? Get all the evidence against them |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I forgot my sarcasm tag..... |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. I'm so happy to hear that! I've been reading so much impatience |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. My real hope is to see Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bybee, Addington, et al. in the dock. |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
88. My hope as well. ALL of them facing charges. As high up as it goes. |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm with you, Raven ... |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Hi Nance...you and me both! |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. Forgive my ignorance, Raven ... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
79. I'm with you two. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
5. I have not given up. |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
6. I hope you are right because I do not want Obama to be a one term |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
80. Why does it matter if Obama.. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
8. Yes. Thanks for saying this. Please let us wait. Obama needs the CIA and |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. You don't give immunity to underlings until after you arrest them. |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Well, that's not quite true. You need people to feel free to talk. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. The classic federal technique is to arrest and then threaten eons in jail. |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I know, you are right but let's just watch this and suspend judgment for awhile. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. OK |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
11. sorry but I am posting this everywhere. |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
12. Agreed, and happy 5th Rec |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. Flip... Flip... Flip... |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. You betcha! Gonna be a thrill to watch! |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
15. K & R nt |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
17. I agree. nt |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
18. "I don't know this for sure...no one does" |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. "As for myself, I have no reason to not trust Obama" |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. and I'm not asking for totally blind faith here...just some patience |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
19. kick |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
23. Am I correct in thinking the decisions and go-aheads given by the Justice Department |
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bigjohn16 (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
24. Releasing those memos is a good indication |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
27. You have this dead wrong. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. You should do that and we should keep presure on to give Obama cover |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. That's all I can hear when I see people who want to wait. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. I hate to say it but |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. 90 days. 90 days. The deadbeat hasn't done ANYTHING |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Obama's time IS my time. |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. If we did it your way I'm afraid it would be too soon to get what we want.. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Your hubris astounds. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
29. I read it exactly as you do! |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
30. OK, I hope so. But why then doesn't he clarify what he's doing? nt |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. see post 31 for one possible explanation... |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. He is doing the right thing by not speaking out in the way we might wish... |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
71. Makes sense and I'd like to think so. But still, he could say that just as easily as |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Shhh! It's a secret! |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. What? In a personal letter to someone you know? Please don't take offense |
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Hanse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
33. If some low level CIA analyst got convicted of charges... |
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yowzayowzayowza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
34. Obama certainly izn't gunna let responsibility for torture fall back onto him. n/t |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
35. I agree...he will do the right thing at the right time. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
38. Um. If there is no investigation how is anyone going to be charged? |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Do you think there isn't an investigation going on? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:31 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Well I thought I heard Holder was not going to investigate? |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
39. I'm so glad someone else senses this. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
40. I was going to post EXACTLY the same thing. |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Please be correct! Please be correct! Please be correct! Please be correct! |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. don't hold your breath |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Really. After all, it's been a whole 90 days. |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
44. Obama has no intention of charging anybody. Cheney and Bush |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:23 PM Original message |
HOW will a trial be won without first proving the Justice Dept acted |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. dupe. self delete. |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. ok, lets go with your idea, a trial |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #53 |
67. I feel like tattooing this on my forehead and hiring a skywriter. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
54. excellent points |
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Shanti Mama (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:31 AM Response to Original message |
60. Couldn't agree more. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
61. I think you're right |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
62. "There is plenty of time to prove me wrong" |
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Psychic Consortium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
63. You are correct. nt |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
64. You might be right, or the rage-aholics might be right |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
66. It doesn't make sense. If you want the bigshots, you threaten the goons, not let them walk. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. what you said. nt |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
69. I hope I'm wrong, |
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Sedona (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
70. chill... |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
72. Thank you for giving me some hope,, |
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ProgressiveFool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
73. I hope it turns out that way, but what makes you think it will? |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
74. This is about torture, but there's a bigger picture issue of power abuse that |
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Coffee and Cake (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
75. Who needs action when you have hope. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
76. Well it seems if he's smart enough to play the gambit you claim |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
77. Is that why the ACLU had to sue to get the memos released? |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Absolutely...our government.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Same master plan where Obama personally gets to decide who broke the law |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
78. I've been looking on this as "priming the pump". |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
82. I'm not giving up. He'd have done better to allow the discovery process |
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A-Long-Little-Doggie (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
83. I'm with you, Raven. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
86. Nothing will come of this. Count on it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Don't give up on us. I can't speak to Obama or his admin or the Feds |
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