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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 12:15 PM
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Prosgate: It Was About The 2008 Elections, Y'All !!!
Questions for Karl Rove – and President Bush
by Elizabeth Holtzman and Cynthia L. Cooper

{Holtzman, former prosecutor and member of Congress who served on the House Judiciary Committee during the Nixon impeachment proceedings, and Cooper an attorney, are co-authors of “The Impeachment of George W. Bush” (Nation Books, 2006)}

<snip>

The stealth dismissal of U.S. attorneys by the Bush administration carries echoes of the Nixon administration firing special prosecutor Archibald Cox in 1973. Now, as then, we may be witnessing criminal acts of obstruction of justice at the highest levels of government. If left to fester, they will poison our system.

Cox was investigating White House misdeeds when Nixon told Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire him. Richardson refused and resigned, as did Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus. Third-in-charge, Robert Bork, complied, and the “Saturday Night Massacre,” as it was called, came to epitomize an imperial administration, acting above the law and using its power to interfere with legitimate processes of justice.

Outrage among the American people triggered the impeachment inquiry against Nixon and his eventual resignation.

In the current U.S. attorney massacre, the public outrage and the line of inquiry invited by these events feel eerily familiar: Why were these eight U.S. attorneys ousted? Why did the Justice Department misrepresent the reasons for the firings? Why were political aide Karl Rove and other top administration advisers involved in the decisions of whom to fire? Why is Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’ aide who helped coordinate the firings, Monica Goodling, invoking the Fifth Amendment to avoid testifying before Congress? And what did the president know and when did he know it?

So far the press and Congress have followed evidence of two patterns of firing – for refusing to smear enemies and refusing to protect friends. Fired prosecutors David Iglesias of New Mexico and John McKay of Washington would not pursue criminal voter fraud charges against political opponents in the way the administration wanted. Fired U.S. Attorney Carol Lam of San Diego had prosecuted and was investigating Republicans.

Removal of Frederick A. Black in Guam immediately after he began investigating lobbyist Jack Abramoff, a Bush friend, may have been a precursor to this.

A third firing pattern may exist: using firings to influence election outcomes.

E-mails suggest political strategist Rove’s involvement. Rove’s job is helping his wing of the GOP win future campaigns. What does that have to do with firing judicial appointees?

Consider the districts they served in: Arkansas, site of Hillary Clinton’s first steps into politics as the state’s first lady; San Francisco, Democratic House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s district; Nevada, Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s state; New Mexico, presidential candidate Bill Richardson’s state. North Carolina, home of former senator and presidential hopeful John Edwards, was considered but passed over by the Bush administration’s ax.

Arizona, where U.S. Attorney Paul Charleton, with a particular reputation for excellence, was fired, is home to presidential candidate and sometime Bush critic John McCain. Michigan, where the prosecutor was inexplicably fired, is home to chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and a staunch Iraq war opponent, Carl Levin (up for re-election in 2008). Arizona and Michigan are both important swing states, where vote suppression or trumped up charges could tip the balance in an election.


Link: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/30/205

Impeach these fuckers NOW!!!

:mad::nuke::mad:




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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 12:20 PM
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1. I believe this is true.
Why else would they care.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:54 PM
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11. Why else would they care?
Edited on Sat Mar-31-07 09:59 PM by tbyg52
Exactly. They care for power. Nevermind what they use it for. Ummm, except to enrich themselves and their ilk.

Edited for stupid typo.....
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 12:23 PM
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2. And Michigan is where Conyers serves
I'm sure they'd like to get him out of the House.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 12:25 PM
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3. Headline: "Bush cries "Conspiracle""
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 01:15 PM
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4. K&R...
:kick:
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 01:19 PM
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5. kick
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 01:23 PM
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6. Must look back too -- Acosta's actions ('03-'--'05 Asst. Atty. Gen. Civil Rights Div) . . .
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 01:29 PM
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7. Thank You For That !!!
The picture is getting clearer and clearer.

:hi:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 01:32 PM
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8. Absolutely makes sense
Also consider, no replacements would be made until after the new president has taken office, usually after a bit of time to get replacements lined up. If I have been reading the history of replacements when administrations change, it is not an automatic thing and many are left in office until they have completed their full four year terms, as a courtesy type thing.

So, if that theory is correct, and the new president were to allow these newly confirmed (or patriot act placed) replacements to remain to complete their 4 year terms, this could cover the 2010 elections for them as well, if a republican retains the WH!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 03:42 PM
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9. kick n/t
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 03:57 PM
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10. Rove has 08 in the bag. A repug win as we speak?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 12:22 AM
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12. they think so...
there was a lot more monitoring last time, and disbelief that shrubya could be below 50% approval and still win... If we truly are presented with President Mitt Romney, or John McCain or Rudy Giuliani.... I will either leave or march non-stop, I literally planned on leaving the country after 04 and my family's health kept me around. This country needs it's opposition party of whoever's in charge to be RUTHLESS with JUSTICE and to not play nice ever, or we get all the SCANDALS that the B&shista's from whoever will sit in the oval office. DAMMIT they're such criminals, I mean, it is so frustrating, ALL but 1 family or relative is a Democratic voter, I just can't understand how we as a country have given in. :(

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- check it out, top '08 stuff!
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 04:28 AM
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13. I agree. I cannot believe how America let this happen.
I was shocked when Shrub got the nomination and horrified
when he was selected by the SC.

If I were younger I would have left the country as well.
This is not the kind of place where I want to live.
It is not consistent with who I am.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 10:42 AM
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15. People don't pay attention
They are too busy working, taking care of their families, and have other hobbies/interests. They listen to other people to get their political information, and do not read to get the facts. It is very sad, and only when it is too late, do people wake up to try to do something.

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 11:36 AM
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17. Also today people believe only what they want to believe, truth and facts mean nothing.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 12:00 PM
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19. and if they hear lies often enough,
they think it is the truth, :(
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 12:39 PM
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20. Yes. Critical thinking skills not in abundance in the US it would seem.
Edited on Sun Apr-01-07 12:40 PM by cassiepriam
Or a moral compass.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 04:46 AM
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14. The Bushie bastards were Sovietinzing the Executive Branch. I KNEW IT!
Edited on Sun Apr-01-07 04:46 AM by tom_paine
More proof uncovered every day.

We came ONE stolen election from being locked into the New Totalitarianism for a long time.
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 11:09 AM
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16. Enlarged Prosgate?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 11:54 AM
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18. Silly Rove- Cheating is not MATH.
Too bad we didn't catch these things before 2004. I want to say 2000, but everyone seemed to have Bush beer goggles on.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 12:46 PM
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21. 2000 was stolen too. Make no mistake.
There was no way Rove was going to let there be a Dem prez again.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 12:49 PM
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22. And that is why Bork never made it to the SCOTUS.
Hahahaha fucking ha!
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