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Jonathan50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 12:38 PM
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This one is for "Joe for Clark"........ The Nachthexen
Joe seems to be very bigoted against Russians and I thought he would appreciate seeing the other side of the coin, so to speak..

http://pratt.edu/~rsilva/sovwomen.htm

In 1942 the Soviet Union formed three regiments of women combat pilots who flew night combat missions of harassment bombing. They flew obsolete Polikarpov Po-2 biplanes, that were otherwise used as trainers, and which could only carry 2 bombs that weighted less than a ton altogether. They were so successful and deadly the Germans feared them, calling them "Nachthexen"—night witches. (Some sources state that they were nicknamed "Night Witches" because it was made up entirely of female pilots and they flew their missions in the wooden Po-2's at night.)

The Night Witches were the women of the 588th Night Bomber Regiment. All of the mechanics and bomb loaders of this regiment, as in the 586th IAP and the 587th Bomber Regiment, were also women.

The Soviet women bomber pilots earned in total 23 Hero of the Soviet Union medals and dozens of Orders of the Red Banner. Two women bomber pilots—Katya Ryabova and Nadya Popova—in one night raided the Germans 18 times. The Po-2 pilots flew more than 24,000 sorties and dropped 23,000 tons of bombs. Most of the women bomber pilots who survived the war in 1945 had racked up nearly 1,000 missions each. They had served so exemplarily throughout the whole war that they participated in the final onslauqht on Berlin.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 12:43 PM
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1. Perhaps this is the reason for the ban on women fighting in combat
They're just WAY too scary.
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Jonathan50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 01:20 PM
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3. There's an old saying: If captured do *not* let them give you to the women.
You would be better off biting your tongue off and drowning in your own blood.

Here's some more on the Nachthexen:

The 588th, like all night bomber regiments, usually practiced harassment bombing. This consisted of going to the encampments, rear area bases, supply depots, etc., where the enemy was trying to rest from a day of heavy fighting to another, and bombing them. The strategic importance of the targets was seldom high, but the psychological effect of terror and insecurity and constant restlessness in the Germans (and Rumanians, Italians, Finns...) was very effective.

Harassment night bombing was very difficult to do, considering the low performance of the Po-2 biplanes (their top speed was 94 mph/150 kph, less even than most World War I fighters!) and how vulnerable that made them to enemy night fighters. But the Night Witches learned their trade well. The Po-2 was very slow, but it was also very maneuverable. When a German Me-109 tried to intencept it, the Russian plane could turn violently and nimbly at much less than the 109's minimum speed (stall speed), requiring that the German make a wide circle to come in for another pass. Then he was again met with the same evasive tactic, time after time. Many pilots got to nearly earth-level, flying low enough to be hidden behind hedgerows! The German fighter could only try again and again until he got frustrated and just left the Po-2 alone. No wonder, German pilots were promised an Iron Cross for shooting down a Po-2.

The Witches would fly to a certain distance of the enemy encapments that were to be the target, and cut their engine. They would then glide silently, silently... When the Fascists started to hear the whistle of the wind against the Po-2's wing bracing wires, they realized in panic that it was too late. The Night Witches would sneak up on them and release their bombs, then restart their engines and fly away home.

The Po-2 would pass often undetected by the night fighters' radar, because of the mildly radar absorbing nature of the canvas surfaces, and the fact that mostly they flew near the ground. German planes equipped with infrared seekers would not see the little heat generated by the small, 110 horsepower engine.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 12:51 PM
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2. You mean...
...we didn't single handedly win every war since the Revolutionary War?

I'm shocked...shocked I tell you!

Why do you hate America...
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 03:40 PM
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4. Great find...would make a hell of a movie!...n/t
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Jonathan50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 03:59 PM
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5. I agree about the movie..
I first read about the Nachthexen in the Harry Turtledove alternate history series Worldwar.

In the novel I read, a Nachthexen pilot flew Vyacheslav Molotov, the Soviet foreign minister, to Berlin, hugging the ground the whole way. Apparently Molotov hated flying so it made for an interesting read.
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