Rep. Tom Davis "special" on Fox tonight re: Sandy Berger

[eleny]

I'm not suggesting anyone watch it tonight. But wanted to point out how the timing is interesting for Davis to deflect from the current administration's problems to .... drum roll - Clinton!

The special is called "Socks, Scissors, Paper: The Sandy Berger Caper". Feh. I just don't know what purpose this will serve given the avalanche of scandals plaguing the W administration.

[rusty charly]

1. you go with the administration you hate,

not the one you have.

or something like that...

[BOSSHOG]

2. This should put to rest any

questions that the gop is the true party of integrity. Look at the evil sandy berger and bill clinton's penis. There is absolutely no wrongdoing being done by the christian bush administration. davis and faux are showing their true colors and they are neither patriotic nor honest.

[eleny]

4. I've sure had enough of Davis these past few days to last a lifetime

[Tekla West]

3. Bloody Flag

It took about 40 years or so for the Republicans to stop running against the Demos over the Civil War, it was called "waving the bloody flag." I can't see Clinton going away in any less time.

[eleny]

5. Yup - They live to cling and dangle from Clinton's short hairs

Undignified but true.

[Captain Angry]

6. What did Sandy Berger do that is considered so awful?

My dad just lobbed his name at me when I was explaining the US Attorney issues.

Therefore it's all political, both sides do it, nothing new, etc.

I don't know what it is about Clinton that breeds such visceral hatred, but man anything related to him is the first thing brought up when I talk to people about Bush.

My dad is probably one of the most intelligent people on Earth, but he has a mental block about Clinton and his people. He doesn't exhibit any of the other braindeath related to conservatism, just the Clinton stuff.

[BOSSHOG]

9. Welcome to DU Captain Angry

Try this line out on your Dad:

"If Clinton had been President on September 11th, 2001, there would not have been a terrorist attack because Clinton did not need a terrorist attack."

I've used it many times and chuckle at the responses. Guaranteed to raise blood pressure of "conservatives" and get yet another visceral response. You can tell your Dad this Veteran of 24 years service to his country believes it with heart and soul. Clinton was a horny hounddog with eight years of peace and prosperity on the wall, not a dumbass ignorant war monger. I'll take the hounddog any day.

And ask your Dad if he'd rather have a blow job or you come home in a plastic bag. Please share my warmest regards with your father.

[Captain Angry]

10. My dad is has an open mind about 9/11.

I asked him "How strange is it that a building that wasn't hit, fell straight down, all by itself?"

"How strange is it that the money that funded 9/11 came from the Pakistani intelligence agency?"

He doesn't think Bush is good, he just doesn't think Clinton is any better than him.

My dad was Air Force for 20 years, in fact, I'm one of only two males in the family for generations that weren't military.

He's read the PNAC's documentation. He's researching Enron (on levels not done yet, not just reading the old news.)


Like I said, blind spot with Clinton. Everything else, completely rational.

[BOSSHOG]

12. I guess I can relate

because when it comes to bush I (am rational) get incensed at him, his life, his lies, his crimes, his desertion, his administration, and probably most significantly I target my ire at those in this country that support the man. I consider them domestic enemies of the constitution.

[Captain Angry]

13. Unlike most Clinton haters, the Monica crap isn't his problem.

Clinton put people that were every bit as bad as Bush's people in charge of agencies that affected my dad's livelihood after the service.

People that didn't know an atom from a hammer, and were in charge of the US's science laboratories, etc.

I watched Clinton speak live to about 1000 people in my old town. He did all the stuff people here are mad at Bush for. He had children as his human shields on stage, he shut down roads for miles for security purposes, etc.

And then he spoke. Talked about the great work being done in town, and then flew away. On the plane ride out of town, he signed the papers that froze all salaries at these labs for years.

I hate Clinton with a passion too, but I just don't bring it up here. It's immaterial to current events.

[BOSSHOG]

14. I don't hate Clinton or even dislike him

Compared to bush he is a great President and should be Sainted based on that comparison. Current events created by the monster of a human being who is now president puts Clinton in excellent light. Every president uses humans shields and fucks up traffic when they visit an area. I'm unaware of presidents intentionally lying and getting hundreds of thousands of people killed because of his lies, as bush has done. bush vs Clinton, No Contest. Garbage versus greatness.

[Captain Angry]

15. It's kind of hard, since Bush makes the worst people look reasonable.

All I know is that Bush should go to prison forever. Clinton should stop being anointed as Mr. Wonderful. He had his own problems. He lied to good people, and made decisions for corporate reasons.

I've used the Clinton didn't get people killed bit before, but I usually get Somalia shoved in my face. By Army vets who were in Somalia.

It doesn't matter. They're both crap. One's just significantly worse crap than the other.

With the amount of money in the election cycle, and how early it started, I see little chance of 2008's election producing new results. So, we could be on track to add another 4 years to Bush43, Clinton, Bush41, Reagan...

[BOSSHOG]

16. Clinton didn't send the troops who died in Somalia to Somalia

If Somalia can be shoved in someone's face by Army Vets, then I guess one can be tortured, eviscerated, cremated and have their remains shit on by Army Vets based on Iraq. If a democrat gets elected in 08 that will break a nasty cycle, just like Clinton broke a nasty cycle in 92. The ideal candidate does not exist. The criminal, incompetent candidate does exist and he is a republican.

[WCGreen]

23. It wasn't Clinton who sent the troops it was Bush....

He sent them in December of 1992, I do believe...

[newyawker99]

17. Hi Captain Angry!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[libnnc]

7. Geez. Sandy Berger. That's all they've got?

They are really getting desperate.

[Bitwit1234]

8. What is ridiculous about this is the REPUBLICANS investigated

the incident and they are the ones who pronounced the verdict. What else does this guy want. He is an asshole anyway. He does not do anything for Virginia. I don't know how he keeps on getting elected.

[eleny]

11. I forget the extent of outcome for Berger

The promo on Fox said he got a slap on the wrist. So my first thought was that either the committee led by Republicans didn't find anything egregious enough to indict him. Or he did go to court and the judge doled out the slap on the wrist.

I'll have to read up more about the events since this is evidently the nugget they're going to use this coming week.

[Roland99]

18. "What *else* did Sandy Berger take? We'll never know"

was a line I heard as it went to commercial at the one point I was channel surfing.

And claiming a cover-up in the DOJ that is owned lock, stock, and barrel by this current administration?!?!

BS!!

[originalpckelly]

19. So this what the Republicans would have done with FOX during Watergate.

Interesting.

[Toots]

20. They sure had it in for poor ol' socks didn't they?

How much did the investigation into socks cost the nation? They never tire of throwing mud, it justs never sticks to the Clinton's because they actually are pretty damn clean as seven years of investigation proved. The Clintons are the most invedtigated first family in the history of the USA and have come away completely cleared of any real wrong doing except infidelity and I wonder if there is a Republican alive that could accomplish the same..

[nuxvomica]

21. I just watched the repeat. What an obvious hatchet job!

I watched in disbelief wondering if this was an April Fools joke but I think they were actually serious. The "reporter" (I think his name is "Ass-man") kept referring to Berger's crimes as though he's some recitivist burglar and to the whole affair as a "cover up". And Tom Davis refers to the DOJ's refusal to reopen the case as giving him "the finger." I bet Stephen Colbert is fuming that he didn't think of doing this story himself. :rofl:

[WCGreen]

22. It had notyhing to do with the Clinton Administration...

It was the classified files he took...