6 year old is cuffed and dragged to jail, while a damn criminal lives in our Whitehouse.

[sandrakae]

This is unfuckingbelievable. Criminals running Washington and 6 year olds going to jail for temper tantrums. What the hell ever happened to time outs or no ice cream or no recess?

http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/law/2007/03/30/baynews9.6yearold.arrested.affl


I can't believe unfuckingbelievable got caught by my spell check. With the state of affairs this country is in that needs to be a real word.

[muntrv]

1. Why does it not surprise me that the 6 year old happens to be black?

Call me a nuts, but if it were a white kid, I seriously doubt the kid would have been thrown into the slammer.

[LostinVA]

3. I agree with this

Like the child in Florida (?) who had something similar happen a year or so ago in school. I believe she was tasered. There were some on here praising the cops and baying for her blood, but the facts proved us right on that one -- the kid didn't need to eb treated that way. And, she was black. They usually are in these cases.

[Madspirit]

6. If the kid was white

...probably wouldn't have even gotten time out.
Lee

[malaise]

48. I swear America has gone mad

How can they do this to a child -any child? And I'm not surprised this child is Afro-American either.

[brentspeak]

149. What if the teacher or principal or officers were black?

Would it then not be a problem?

[LostinVA]

2. I read this earlier today -- totally appalling

A SIX YEAR OLD?! Unless that child has a loaded gun aimed at someone, then there is NO reason for violence against said child. And yes,putting a child into CUFFS is emotional and physical violence against that child. Although I'm sure some people on here will tell me I'm wrong. This kid wasn't a little Ted Bundy.

:sigh:

What we have become shocks me on some days.

[Madspirit]

4. Way to traumatize a kid!

(cover ears) WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS FUCKING WORLD.

I hate this world.
Lee

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. I guess you think the other kids were not traumatized by her behavior?

What if your child was in class with this kid? How would you want the school to deal with a classmate who throws chairs?

[kiahzero]

74. Jail was completely unnecessary. Period.

Even assuming the handcuffs were necessary, there's no reason for the child to be taken from the building.

[proud2BlibKansan]

85. I would agree with that

But that was not up to the school. Once the cops come, they make the decisions.

[Madspirit]

83. I doubt

A peer throwing a chair is nearly as upsetting as seeing the cops handcuff another little bitty tiny kid.
Lee

[proud2BlibKansan]

86. And I am willing to bet the kids did NOT see the girl get arrested

They were most likely taken out of the room as soon as the chair thrower got out of control.

So they didn't see her get arrested. They did, however, see her throw chairs. That was surely traumatic for them.

[SoCalifer]

104. WTF?

You have to be joking right?

Ever heard of sending a child to the principles' office?


::shakes head::

[proud2BlibKansan]

124. Do you suggest carrying her to the principAl?

Maybe dragging her down the hall?

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[madfloridian]

7. Florida again. You just never know.

We demand our 6 year olds be law abiding.

I will never forget when two of my students just a little older were handcuffed and arrested. They said they broke into the teacher's lounge. I never heard the outcome. It sure put the fear of the law into my classroom. Just not the right kind of respect.

Better put :sarcasm: tag.

Reminds me of when a guy stole some hedge clippers.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1105

[Madspirit]

8. 6 year olds

6 year olds are not psychologically or legally culpable.

Anyone who handcuffs a tiny child should be fired, arrested and tried for abuse.
Lee

[sandrakae]

9. Damn straight.!!

[liberalnurse]

34. I'm sure the field officers

called in their Duty Sgt. before they arrested the girl. They just didn't drag her off for the fun of it. They are no doubt parents too.

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[SmokingJacket]

66. Six is too young for that kind of treatment. Period. End of story. nt

[karlrschneider]

76. Six is too OLD for that kind of BEHAVIOR.

End of fucking story.

[alarimer]

78. Throwing her in jail is not the fucking answer

I cannot believe this bullshit.

Taser her too while you're at it. Kids have temper tantrums; I guess we should just hrow them all in jail. Unfuckingbelievable.

[Tsiyu]

87. Really?

And you studied child development where?

Most experts will tell you that children at age six are still quite prone to temper tantrums.

A study of Piaget's theories - or any modern, scientific work on child development - would prove that statement "Six is too OLD for that kind of BEHAVIOR" to be factually incorrect.

[Madspirit]

113. "age six are still quite prone to temper tantrums"

Psychology IS my field and you are exactly right. They wouldn't have done this if the little tiny four-years-past-toddlerhood kid had been white.
Lee

[brentspeak]

150. I never threw a chair at or struck my teachers.

I don't recall any of my kindergarten classmates doing that either. Kids crying and stamping their feet, yeah, but no physical violence.

[shanti]

92. oh good grief!

:(

[High Plains]

100. Ah, reflexive support of the police...no matter what

[whistle]

10. It is a reflection of the new official reactionary anti-culture based on RW intolerance

....of minorities in public schools. This will get worse moving toward the 2008 elections

[liberalnurse]

11. Well, the mom could not be reached.....

The child was assaultive. Now a days, if you grab a kid or spank them, they file suit, if you restrain a kid, they file suit.

I support the action as there was no alternative in place.

They teacher followed protocol. Parents and teachers need to sign-off on an agreement for an action plan regarding such types of incidents before it gets out of control.... Have the plan before kids go class and/or start a new school year. They Parents must meet with their teacher.

[madfloridian]

12. Correction: they SAID the kid was assaultive.

This is going on a lot now, and there is no excuse. When you are taking 6 year olds to jail you have a police state.

[liberalnurse]

17. I'm sure they have witness statements.

The Officers would of talked to others before formally arresting the girl. I bet they even tried to reach the mother first themselves.

They may even have damaged property to support the concerns the teacher had for oneself and fellow students. I imagine the other children were traumatized by their peer flipping out.

No one likes this, I surely don't......

[madfloridian]

21. Whatever you think. This is America now.

A mindset of the cowboys....rope em up and send them to jail.

Hey, whatever.

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. I agree with you liberalnurse

I do not believe for one minute that cops are coming in to schools and arresting 6 year olds because they want to or because the school asked them to. There absolutely has to be justification. Like the safety of this child and the safety of the other students.

I don't like this either, but there are a lot of details left out of the story.

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. Right, just like the mom SAID she was at work

I have taught for nearly 30 years and never once can I recall a time when a school called a parent at work and said it was an emergency and the parent was not IMMEDIATELY put on the phone.

There are just far too many holes in this story. And once again, we have only Mom's version of events.

I also want to ask everyone who thinks this is so awful that if they had a child in this classroom, where this little girl was throwing chairs, how would they want the school to handle it?

[liberalnurse]

37. Too bad the school can't comment on this....

I too feel there is more to the mom's "work" claim.

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. They never can comment

Privacy laws forbid it.

That's what just enrages me when I read these kinds of stories. We ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS hear Mom's version of events only.

I can tell stories where I know what really happened. I know the part the media doesn't tell the public. I have posted some of those stories here. Like the one where the kid got suspended for bringing a toy gun to school and Mom was on the 10:00 news. "It was only a toy!!"

She left out the part where her child had pointed the gun at the other kids on the bus and threatened to blow their heads off.

[liberalnurse]

65. When reading some of these lame posts

I just wonder where these folks actually live. They either are defending out of personal experience where they were at fault at some time in their past or they live under a rock.

I've met the folks who live in the bowels of American.....I guess I have been fortunate enough to look at this world with eyes wide open and use the ones in the back of my head at the same time.

The media always leads with the hype story they can get the traction from. Since the school is barred from discussing the event the only one left is the unavailable mom...who seems very accessible now to the media.....

Some posters here want to be hostile because they don't know anything else. They are narrow in scope. I guess they need to validate their own shortcommings...

It sure is comforting to engage is reasonable processing with you 2Blib! :toast:

[madfloridian]

82. Nice to have two intelligent people talking together.

While the rest of us idiots just drool and simper in our pathetic state of untelligence.

[proud2BlibKansan]

89. Yes nice we can agree on some things

if not all things :)

[karlrschneider]

59. Maybe there isn't a phone on the corner of 8th and Broadway.

...

[Speed8098]

96. You seem to have experience

What's your point with this rude comment?

Do you assume that all black women are hookers? Or is it just something about this one?

Lame.

[sandrakae]

60. No you don't only have mom's version of events.

All that mother said was " I just want to know what really happened". You have the schools version of the events. The mother did not seem unreasonable at all. Maybe you need to watch the video again.

[proud2BlibKansan]

97. No, you watch the video again

The principal spoke about the school policy, not this specific event.

[SoCalifer]

106. How the school should handle it?

Easy!!

Send the girl to the "PRINCIPLE'S OFFICE!!" and wait for her parents to come pick her up.



Good Grief how hard is it to figure that out?

[Madspirit]

13. I am able to subdue

I could subdue any six year old on the earth without hitting them or cuffing them. Please.
Lee

[liberalnurse]

16. But let us not forget how the teachers are always

accused of abusing a child or something when any type of what we all call reasonable touching happens. Too many teaches have been targets in the past...thus I support letting the police handle the situation. The Officers had to use the cuffs to maintain safety....The child could easily start biting, kicking, etc.....I don't blame them for using the cuffs. I'm sorry it had to be done. I'm sure if the mom could of come down to the school, the child would of just been sent home. Today, public officials are way too often the target of a law suit and career flushing; .... all for a dollar.....I support CYA.

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[proud2BlibKansan]

30. And you would get sued or lose your job if you are a teacher

and you subdued a 6 year old. Really.

[liberalnurse]

38. Absolutely.

That is why the school policy is to call the police if parents can not be reached and aggression has occurred.

[proud2BlibKansan]

47. Most teachers are not taught HOW to restrain kids who are out of control

I have that kind of training because I teach special ed. But I am not ALLOWED to restrain a kid unless that kid attacks ME first.

[MLFerrell]

69. This girl allegedly DID attack her educator.

Thus, according to your statement, you, as a "special educationist" would have been FULLY within your rights to restrain this girl.

What are you saying here? That you would rather call the police on a SIX year old girl than exercise your deigned right and ability to physically restrain this girl?

I must have missed something, because now I'm confused.

[proud2BlibKansan]

90. I understand why the decision was made to call the cops

It is highly unlikely that her teacher had special training in how to restrain kids who are out of control.

If it had happened in my class, yes, I would have immediately restrained her as soon as she attacked me or any other teacher. But I have no way of knowing how easy that would have been. She was also throwing chairs. Would I dodge flying chairs to restrain an out of control kid? No way. I would take all the other kids out of the room and call the office for help.

[northzax]

125. actually, yes

if you are not trained to restrain someone, you get in serious trouble for touching them. When I was teaching, 7 years ago, I was written up for restraining a student who had kicked me in the balls. he was back in my classroom the next day. the school apologized to his grandmother.

It is worth noting that his grandmother was not pleased with him at all, and apologized to me and made him apologize as well, so she was not to blame for the school's reaction.

[liberalnurse]

132. Thank you for sharing your experience.

I think there are several here who struggle to understand the actions of the teacher "not" being creative and trying to restrain the raging, unpredictable student.....because ...we all learn sooner than later, no good deed goes unpunished today. :yourock:

[proud2BlibKansan]

139. "The school apologized to his grandmother"

<sigh>

That happens a lot more often than those who don't teach realize.

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. Just what I was thinking

Notice no one criticizes the mom for not being able to be reached. How the hell can you send a 6 year old to school and then not be available to be contacted in case of an emergency? This happens a lot more often than most people realize.

We had a kid at my school get very sick a few months ago. Her temp spiked and they couldn't get ahold of the mother. She told her boyfriend she was at work and work said she wasn't there. So we called the boyfriend back to tell him that someone needed to take the kid to the ER (her temp was 105) and the message on his phone said "If I don't answer, I don't want to talk to you". So we called 911.

And yes, the mom pitched a fit that she had to pay for an ambulance that took her child to the hospital. When she got to the hospital her temp was 107. But Mom got mad at US for sending her to the hospital.

[liberalnurse]

27. Exactly!

The mom focused on everyone else but herself. Not once did she say, "Oh, If I had only been home this all could of been avoided" or something along those lines. No, she's out to scapegoat the system which she apparently thinks owes her something. Bet my cat that she is going to file a law suit within the week.

Speaking of the mom, where was she when this all went down? She said she was at work...She apparently never left an emergency number and address. The police would of sent a car over to her work if they had the information. I replayed the clip...They said at the end that they will seek legal action and have contacted the NAACP....I'm curious, is the mom a card carrying member of the NAACP? I am and I'm white.

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. I have played it 5 times now

She threw chairs and struck a teacher. Why is no one outraged over that?

[liberalnurse]

70. Another thing....

The mother never addresses her daughters behavior....never. Like, this teacher and the need to call the police was just something to do on a boring day???? No, the girl was obviously a threat and the mom was no where to be found.

This case will go now where.

[proud2BlibKansan]

88. Remember the little girl last year who got arrested at school?

I think it was Florida. The girl went crazy, kind of like this situation, and the school called the mom, who told them she couldn't come to school and they should call the police. So the school called the police and they came and put handcuffs on the kid.

Mom called the media and pitched a fit. She was all over the news for days. I watched one of those interviews. The little girl was jumping up and down yelling in the background and her brother was climbing up on the couch, then jumping off, climbing back up, and on and on WHILE MOM WAS ON LIVE TV. And Mom was going off on the school. :eyes:

[sandrakae]

61. You ridiculing the mother for having a job. What the hell is wrong with you.

You have know way of knowing how the phone call went down.

[ends_dont_justify]

31. So I guess sending them to the principal's office is out of the question?

:eyes:

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. LOL And you really think a kid throwing chairs is going to all of a sudden STOP

and go to the principal's office?? :eyes:

[springhill]

68. Someone explain this to me..............

If they could subdue her enough to handcuff her and take her to jail, then why couldn't they, oh never mind.

[proud2BlibKansan]

140. That was the cops

I can't speak for them. I can only try to explain why the school called the cops.

[shanti]

93. always siding with the PO-LEECE, you are

you probably would like for her to have been tazered too. :( *plonk*

[SoCalifer]

105. Jesus Fucking H'Christ!

You send a child who's not behaving to the "Principle's Office"!!


I am afraid this country is everyday sliding down further into all-out ignorance and self-destruction.


Very disheartening :-(

[treestar]

147. You're right, I bet. We have to mellow out about the touching

kids issue - it's not always sexual assault, for pete's sake.

[madfloridian]

14. There is NEVER a reason to cuff and arrest a 6 year old child.

I wonder what is wrong with this country. I wonder why some always jump in to defend such outrageous stuff.

I have controlled such behavior often, talking and comforting and being reasonable. My sister in law taught severely disturbed language impaired....but there is a language of compassion that even the disturbed understand. Especially when they are just six.

Police control too strongly.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1105

[liberalnurse]

18. The mom could not be reached.

What elese to you suggest they do?

[madfloridian]

19. I taught for over 30 years.

A good teacher can control a child in many ways. They do not indicate she was disturbed. And if she were disturbed, they could not take her to jail under Florida ESE law.

If you really think that, then I will back off because it reveals a mindset I can not tolerate.

[sandrakae]

62. Send her to the principal's office.

Thats what they used to do in the good ole days. You people are sickening. They cuffed a 6 year old and hauled her off to jail for a tantrum. I am only sorry there was no camera in that room. I sure would have loved to see what made her that upset.

[brer cat]

24. I agree with you 100%, madfloridian.

Surely the school systems have people qualified to deal with situations like this. Don't most school systems have psychologists? Don't they have teachers experienced in dealing with students who have many different disabilities & emotional problems? If not, they certainly should have people on call for such emergencies. Cuffing and arresting a 6 year-old is just wrong.

Thank you for the years you gave our children, madfloridian. I appreciate it!

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. I teach emotionally disturbed elementary kids

And I would never hesitate to call the cops if a kid in my class threw chairs or became violent and out of control. Sure I try talking them down first but that does not always work.

I have a kid this year who hears voices. The voices tell him that the other kids want to hurt him. No amount of talking can calm him down. Not even the language of compassion. We have had to call school district security several times because of this kid. And we call because our FIRST priority is SAFETY - the safety of this kid AND the safety of his peers.

My school district also has a plan for incidents similar to the one mentioned in the report. And yes, if we are unable to reach parents when there is an emergency, we do call 911.

[MLFerrell]

50. Are we talking about a SIX year old...

Or an older child who actually has the capacity to do serious harm?

For that matter, what the hell is a seriously disturbed kid like that doing in a mainstream public school?

(Pardon my presumption that you work in a general public school. If I'm mistaken, please correct me)

The police should NEVER become involved with respect to an incident such as this that involves a first-grader. I'm not saying that this kind of behavior should go unpunished, but this instant resort to law-enforcement officials is abhorrent, and all too indicative of how militarized our society is becoming.

[proud2BlibKansan]

51. Kids with disabilities are mainstreamed, regardless of the disability

We have been literally flooded with seriously disturbed kids in the past 5 or 6 years. Kids who used to be in special residential schools are now in traditional public schools. And if they do get placed in a residential school, the goal is to get them back into a traditional school as quickly as possible.

It's about saving money. Schools are so strapped financially that only the most severe get placed in schools that are designed to deal with severely emotionally disturbed kids.

Yes I work in a traditional public school. I am the only special ed teacher and I have more and more really disturbed kids every year.

Sure we shouldn't have to call the cops. What else do you think we should do? When 6 year olds throw chairs and won't stop, what should we do?

[MLFerrell]

54. If that is the case...

And I have no doubt that it is, then I must question the wisdom of throwing a SIX year old girl in with students ten (or more) years her senior. From the article, I gather that this was an elementary school. BD or no, the educator in charge should be trained to deal with these kind of situations WITHOUT having to bring the police into it.

Let me ask you this as pointedly as possible: Do you think that the decision to call the police and let THEM handle it was justifiable?

If so, why? If not, why not?

[proud2BlibKansan]

91. A 6 year old wouldn't be with kids 10 years her senior

My school is K-5, so there is only a 5 year age gap. But yes, even that is not okay in my opinion.

Yes I think the decision to call the police was justified. The child was out of control and her safety plus the safety of her classmates was in jeopardy.

Take this same event and transfer it to any other public situation. Let's say she was in a public library or even at a grocery store. What would happen if she started attacking adults and throwing furniture? Would anyone question calling the cops in those places? Why should school be any different?

[noonwitch]

145. A very disturbed 6 year old can do a lot of damage

The school also has to look at risks that the out of control child poses to other students. The staff calls the cops because trying to get that kid under control could result in that child's injuries and cops at least should be trained to restrain the child. If a teacher restains the kid, and the kid is fighting back, the kid could end up with a broken arm or something. Then the parents are going to sue the school. The police didn't break her arm, and hopefully she'll think twice before throwing a tantrum at school again.

Unless there is an underlying story here in which the teacher was doing something terrible to this girl, I think the school did the right thing.

[sandrakae]

64. You only have the schools version of events.

As we all know teachers are not always the pillar of the community.

[proud2BlibKansan]

102. No we only have Mom's version in this story

As far as your pillar of the community comment, I guess they aren't doing background checks in your state. I know a teacher who was recently fired because of a DUI she got in college 30 years ago. And I know another who was not hired because she had a poor credit rating. School districts in my state have been weeding out 'undesirables' for about 5 years now.

[sandrakae]

108. Then you were not watching the video I posted.

[proud2BlibKansan]

111. Do I need to post a transcript for you?

On second thought, you post it and show me where the principal gave us the school's version of THIS event.

[SoCalifer]

115. So what you're saying

Is that its ok to arrest, take to the police station in handcuffs and charge a little six year child for acting up in class? If so, then you're out of your mind.

What next? Are you going to suggest that this little girl could have been a Terrorist disguised to look like a six year old?


Jesus H'Christ!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

116. No what I am saying is we only have the mom's version of events

If you actually READ this thread, you will see where I disagreed with what the cops did.

This particular discussion, however, was about whether we had heard from the school about what had happened. I pointed out that no, we had not. The other poster disagreed.

[SoCalifer]

118. How presumptuous of you

to assume what I have read and not read. Your response actually betrays your losing position that there are no other versions of events to consider except that a little six year old child was indeed arrested in handcuffs and booked at the police station like some criminal thug.

Are you suggesting that this little six year old child could actually be a disguised Al-Qaeda member plotting to commit an act of terror in her classroom? No? Ok then, there are no other version of facts to consider with this being a little six year old other than removing her from class and making her wait in the principle's office until her parent picks her up.

PERIOD!

[proud2BlibKansan]

119. Okay, imagine your child is in that classroom

This little girl is throwing chairs. What do you expect the school to do? The teachers are forbidden to restrain her (child abuse laws).

What do you suggest?

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[karlrschneider]

121. Principles don't have offices.

:eyes:

[proud2BlibKansan]

123. Nice personal attack

Tell ya what, you come do my job for a day and then we can talk all you want about careers.

BTW, it's spelled collEge. A collAge is an art form.

[northzax]

126. "if she won't comply"

and what, prey tell, do you do with the 25 other students in your classroom when you spend the rest of the day stopping this one from throwing things?

[proud2BlibKansan]

141. I am wondering if we should now issue helmets to kindergarteners

If they are going to be expected to dodge chairs thrown by their classmates . . . :eyes:

[liberalnurse]

138. Some folks just put up walls

when it comes to reading comprehension. You sure did reiterate your point.....You have great patience....as your professional skills are glowing. O8)

[ProudDad]

129. That's FUCKED UP

"I know a teacher who was recently fired because of a DUI she got in college 30 years ago. And I know another who was not hired because she had a poor credit rating."

This f*cking country treats adults the same way they've treated this 6 year old.

I'm not suprised...It's become an authoritarian "conservative" paradise.

[malaise]

49. Bingo n/t

[MLFerrell]

15. I hate this fucking country...

:banghead:

Thank the militarization of society under * for the current state of this madness. Oh, and years of the "War on Drugs" haven't helped.

What the hell kind of country declares war on its own people?

:shrug:

[Fountain79]

81. Then why stay here???

Honestly, I am not saying you need to leave, but why live in a country that you hate so much?

[ProudDad]

130. You mean

"why don't you go back to russia where you came from?"

Bullshit -- non-responsive.

I hate what this country has become -- a chicken-shit police state.

[ends_dont_justify]

23. What will it take for people to stand up and say "ENOUGH?"

The democrats are having the opposite effect we expected them to....evil still goes on while the democrats cut deals and make motions to make compromised goods. WE as the american people have the RIGHT to stand up and tell these bastards "ENOUGH". Will it take the unairing of american idol for people to give a damn?

Are WE fiddling as rome burns?

[MLFerrell]

33. "Are WE fiddling as rome burns?"

I'm not. You aren't. madfloridian certainly isn't.

But some on this thread, well...

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[MLFerrell]

42. Hey!

Easy now, or I'll give you BOTH a time-out... And no ice cream for EITHER of you!

Either that, or I'll call the cops to haul you off. Your choice.

:)

[brentspeak]

151. Uh, yeah. Thanks for your "concern."

[symbolman]

40. Excuse me

but every school I've been in has a Badass in charge, called the PRINCIPAL, who deals with this crap, as well as any other LARGE teacher who can subdue a child..

It's not like a CAT who will rip you a new one, a child is WEAK.. someone afraid of being kicked in the shins?

Buncha PC Sissies if you ask me.. calling in storm troopers is NOT the american way. I remember kids in High School with SWITCHBLADES and they were in someone's OFFICE IF the cops came.

This is gestapo bullshit in Bush's Evil America.

[MLFerrell]

44. Bravo!

Well said.

[proud2BlibKansan]

142. I am willing to bet it was the principal who called the cops

This child was throwing chairs. Would you be willing to dodge chairs to subdue her, knowing you could very well lose your job for restraining this kid?

[Colobo]

45. What is wrong with the child?

The child didn't need to be arrested, I think... but what is wrong with this girl?

[madfloridian]

46. When even DUers think arresting a 6 year old is ok...Big cowboys with big guns.

then you know how far our country has gone to the dark side.

It is a mindset of being tough and muscular. It is now ingrained.

Big guys. Big cowboys with big boots and big dicks. And big cowboy hats. And big guns.

You big guys get that little 6 year old girl under control with your big guns, your big cowboy boots, your big hats and your very very big egos.

Then come and put me in jail for speaking up for a kid, damn it.


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1105

[Jcrowley]

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That's an old poem of mine.

This country is sick and this is only one of the many manifestations of how psycopathic is this nation which is steeped in blood from it's inception.

This incident is really not anomalous at all. Examine the history of American slavery and the brutality that was daily placed upon the children.

[madfloridian]

77. Scary figures for military expenditures.

Wow. It just stands out when seen in graph form.

[shanti]

94. madfloridian

it's just a few DU'ers who think like this, but (i won't name names) their posting record speaks for themselves (the tazer wars). pretty sickening, if you ask me.

[Fountain79]

95. Are you ok with teachers physically restraining children? n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

98. Yes, if they are a danger to themselves or others

they need to be restrained.

Are you in favor of allowing kids to throw chairs at school?

[madfloridian]

53. Florida has solved the school behavior problem.

Just let the police bring their guns and big boots and arrest the child and take them to jail.

And if it's a really big kid, call the swat team. They have got bigger guns and more weapons.

Florida, on the front lines of progress again.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1105

[brettdale]

55. WTF

WTF?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[ends_dont_justify]

56. Heh

This topic shows me something. I'm in the wrong place ;) Inaction is said to be a state of death. Inaction is a state of our country's death.

[Madspirit]

57. I've worked

I've worked with kids with childhood schizophrenia, autism and other mental illnesses and neurological disorders. I have seen fits and tantrums that would make most people's hair stand on end. Still, a six year old is four years past toddlerhood. Any adult who can't subdue one without resorting to handcuffs shouldn't work with kids. Period. Any adult who would put handcuffs on a child should be in jail. Period. Anyone who is afraid of a six year old should get some help and should not work with kids.
Period.
Lee

[MLFerrell]

58. I couldn't agree with this post more...

:applause:

[Name removed]

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[proud2BlibKansan]

99. And any teacher who puts his/her hands on a kid

risks losing his/her job. Period.

[northzax]

127. and don't forget being sued

perosnally.

methinks there are a lot of people on this thread who need to spend more time in a classroom and less time pontificating about it.

[Madspirit]

153. ...and...

A child's life/treatment, etc. is more important than a person's career. Period.
Lee

[MLFerrell]

67. Well, madfloridian, I tried.

Mods ain't havin' none of it.

Said state of affairs, if'n I do say so myself. Not the Mods doing their job, mind you, but rather the apologists for unmitigated and unwarranted aggression. Rest assured (sister or brother), I'm firmly in your corner on this one.

:hug:

What has happened to my country? Twenty-five years ago, arresting a SIX year old child would have been anathema, and a national outrage to boot. Today, par for the course.

HEY! Those of you who defend a "police response" in this situation?! Look in a mirror. Your reactions are indicative of a pathology that is immeasurably more serious than this relatively inane debate over school-discipline and appropriate responses to the same.

That is all. Good Night, and Good Luck.,

[Name removed]

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[MLFerrell]

79. Ask yourself:

Am I any better than these budding sadists?

Their (the kids') actions are unequivocally abhorrent. But is wishing harm upon them a useful course of action?

As to the adult being in jail, you and I are most assuredly on the same page, karlrschneider.

Children need to be taught right from wrong. It's unfair to hold young kids responsible for their actions. That's why society at large considers them children. Age of majority and all that...

[ProudDad]

131. 25 years ago

there would have been resources and programs in the schools that would have either made it even more unlikely that a child would lose control or else PROFESSIONAL COUNSELERS would have seen it coming and done something about it.

I don't envy teachers now days, they've been given an impossible job since the Randian authoritarian forces of both wings of the business party have stripped public services to the bare bone.

But, this should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be a police matter. Police are only marginally competent to solve crimes. They are utterly INCOMPETENT in a public health matter.

And then they overcharge her -- cops and DAs are so full of shit!!!!

Fucking Police State....I could design a better system in my sleep -- of course, I'm handicapped by knowledge, reason and compassion.

[deutsey]

71. Well, the sooner we all get over this delusion that justice reigns

in this country, the better off well all be.

:evilfrown:

[Jcrowley]

73. Anyone have another link?

I get the video to work on my computer. I'm missing some of the stuff for the plug-in.

Here's what I get:
The page “CNN.com Video” has content of MIME type “application/x-mplayer2”, but you don’t have a plug-in installed for this MIME type. A plug-in should be available on this page:

http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/Downloads/Contents/Products/MediaPlayer/

[Fountain79]

80. For those so quickly to jump on the school or America in general...

I could see where a child even a child that young would needed to be restrained. There are a lot of limitations put on teachers as to how we can react to violent outburts. If the school did not have a resource officer and/or security guard on the premises I could see where they would call the police in order to prevent the child from hurting themselves and others. As far as the parent not believing what the school is telling her there are a number of parents who don't ever seem to believe that their child could be capable of violent actions.

[Colobo]

84. I agree with this posts

I think the girl's parents should be more concerned about what the heck is wrong with their girl than anything else.

[proud2BlibKansan]

101. I am 100% certain that this is not an isolated incident

There is a reason this little girl threw a tantrum, assaulted her teacher and threw chairs. And I am willing to bet it isn't because of something that happened at school.

I had a kid 10 years ago who went into a rage like this and threw books and desks. For 6 months, he was a sweet and calm kid, then he started having these tantrums at school. He did it regularly, and without warning for several weeks. No we didn't call the police but we have security in my district and we called them and yes, they restrained him to keep him from harming himself.

Turned out Mom's new boyfriend had been raping the kid at night while Mom was at work.

Kids don't assault adults and throw furniture just because they are mad. This is not 'normal'.

[Kajsa]

114. OMG!

That's horrible!

Sadly, this crap happens more often than we know of.

[ProudDad]

135. And why are you so certain?

I'm certain that if the girl had been white she wouldn't have been arrested by these Florida crackers...

Mine is a better bet...

[liberalnurse]

137. Okay, just back-up....

and put your race card back in the deck.

[ProudDad]

134. You got any kids?

I do. I know I'd have gone ballistic over arresting any kid of mine.

I'd still try to find out the truth and try to help my kid and then I'd immediately contact the ACLU, a civil lawyer and SUE THE PANTS OFF OF THE COPS AND THE CITY...

I hope the mother does all of the above.

[liberalnurse]

136. I agree with you on that....

If it was my daughter, I would be investigating her behavior, having an intense 1:1 with her, if possible talking to parents of fellow students, the janitor, the teacher and secretary even ....before I called the NAACP and the media.

[Kajsa]

103. Someone should have been available

to take the little girl home.

In our school district, a child cannot complete registration to attend school until
the parent provides no fewer than four emergency contacts in addition
to the parent's phone numbers.

If that had been taken care of, a friend or relative could have taken the girl home.

Parents have that much responsibility for their child.

I am both a parent of a son with autism and a substitute teacher,
grades 7-12.( Humanities and Special education)

And yes,at work I've had chairs thrown at me and one kid slug me in the face.
But a parent, relative or friend were available to take the child home.

[proud2BlibKansan]

117. And when they aren't available?

We have that same policy in our district but refusing to provide that information cannot prevent enrollment. I am sure it wouldn't keep a kid from coming to school in your district either.

[Kajsa]

122. Out of the five or six contacts,

at least one was available, usually more.

[northzax]

128. so you actually require five contacts?

so single parents who move into the district can't send their children to school? you have no immigrant families?

I only ask because in my districts, only the parent or legal guardian of the child was allowed to get them from school. period.

[Kajsa]

146. They probably don't barr kids from enrolling

if the parents don't have four contacts.

My son was a SD student in our district for 17 years.
I am a divorced single parent.

One of the HSs I do most of my teaching at has 72% Latino students,
many from immigrant families.The other HS in our city has 68% Latino students,
again, many from immigrant families.

But in all of my years working for the district, someone was always
available to pick up a student who was sick or unable to remain in school
for the day.If the parent authorizes someone to pick up the child, and the
information is on the emergency contact form, he/she can pick up the student.

At one of the other HSs in our district, the chairperson of the English Dept. had to
get a substitute for the rest of the day so she could leave and pick up
her son who was ill at one of our elementary schools.

Edit- Why is no one questioning the fact that the mother could not be reached in
an extreme emergency regarding her child?

If your child was in this situation, would the school be able to contact you?

How did that get completely ignored and unanswered ?

[ProudDad]

133. So you call some EMTs

they're used to dealing with people who are "out of control"

You DON'T CALL THE FUCKING COPS on a 6 year old...

[proud2BlibKansan]

143. When you call 911

They make the call as to who to send.

[BlooInBloo]

107. I assume the kid is black?

[Madspirit]

109. Of course the kid is black.

They wouldn't have done this to a tiny itty bitty four years past toddlerhood white kid.
Lee

[BlooInBloo]

110. Just like to test my understanding of America.

[Madspirit]

112. Yup...you understand perfectly. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

144. White kids don't have good aim when they throw chairs

:sarcasm:

[brentspeak]

148. What if the teacher/principal/arresting officers were black?

What then?

[Madspirit]

152. It's called

Internalized racism.

Lee

[Madspirit]

154. I actually discussed

I actually discussed this with my very own shrink today. She said the tantrum would not have traumatized the other kids. Kids have tantrums. The handcuffing the little girl would have traumatized the other kids. She said it will definitely traumatize the little girl. She also said it was horrible, unconscionable and totally unnecessary and inexcusable. If anyone wants her name or the names of any of the MANY psychiatrists, psychologists and social workers I KNOW, let me know off-group and I will send you their names and phone numbers and you can take it up with them. One is on the board of The American Psychological Association. Let me know. I have all their names and numbers. What was done is inexcusable.
Lee