Is Karl Rove the grandson of Karl Heinz Roverer, Gauleiter of Oldenburg?

[bobthedrummer]

I've been researching that and would like to ask other DUers to share what they have.

It is a bit controversial-unlike the known facts about other administration connections to the Third Reich and real Nazis--and I've reviewed some of the articles about this ranging from Fritakis&Wasserman, Wilson, Martin, and others.

No April fool's joke either, (there is nothing funny about anything Nazi related) what do you have in regards to solid confirmation or denial of this?

[Clark2008]

1. Many links say he was

http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Heinz+Roverer&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Now, you might have to read a lot to be satisfied one way or the other, but I've heard that, too.

[bobthedrummer]

7. Yep, I have checked out many links to this already, that's why I started

this thread.

The Fitrakis and Wasserman CommonDreams.org article is factual on all the other administration Third Reich connections
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm

Politically, I've been an anti-fascist for over 40 years, I pay attention to things like this.

My State of Wisconsin has many historical connections to the Third Reich, real Nazis, neo-nazis and extreme RW allies of the Republican Party.

Since politics is local, that's another reason I'm against that entire RW political element.

There are many other reasons too.

[cali]

2. I recall seeing this before

and I think the answer was no. In any case, so what? We can't help who are grandparents were. I despise rove, but he's responsible for his vile behavior. Aside from that, I have a very dear friend who's decended from a very famous Nazi- and is one of the dearest, most liberal people I know.

[sam sarrha]

3. apparently not the only grandsons of Nazi's in the WH, Nazi's were also a Cult or the same cult..??

the adherence to policies and personalities leading the Republican party are not just CULT like but it is obviously a Cult.. i heard there are over 120 graduates of pat Robertsons university working for the white house..they have outsourced and privatized their 'brainwashing' too..

[seemslikeadream]

4. Ich Bin Ein Auslander (You owe us everything)

:hi:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LukAmJQeyAo



Listen to the victim, abused by the system
The basis is racist, you know that we must face this.
"It can't happen here". Oh yeah?
"Take a look around at the cities and the towns.

See them hunting, creeping, sneaking
Breeding fear and loathing with the lies they're speaking
The knife, the gun, broken bottle, petrol bomb
There is no future when the past soon come.

And when they come to ethnically cleanse me
Will you speak out? Will you defend me?
Or laugh through a glass eye as they rape our lives
Trampled underfoot by the right on the rise


"You owe us..."....Ich Bin Ein Auslander
"You owe us..."....Ich Bin Ein Auslander
"You owe us..."....Ich Bin Ein Auslander
"You owe us..."....Ich Bin Ein Auslander
("You owe us everything")... Ich Bin Ein Auslander
Welcome to a state where the politics of hate
Shout loud in the crowd "Watch them beat us all down"
There's a rising tide in the rivers of blood
But if the answer isn't violence, neither is your silence

If they come to ethnically cleanse me
Will you speak out? Will you defend me?
Freedom of expression doesn't make it alright
Trampled underfoot by the rise of the right

Pop Will Eat Itself


http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/bush_crime_family.htm

George Walker, GW's great-grandfather, set up the takeover of the Hamburg-America Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. In Germany, I.G. Farben was most famous for putting the gas in gas chambers; it was the producer of Zyklon B and other gasses used on victims of the Holocaust. The Bush family was not unaware of the nature of their investment partners. They hired Allen Dulles, the future head of the CIA, to hide the funds they were making from Nazi investments and the funds they were sending to Nazi Germany, rather than divest. It was only in 1942, when the government seized Union Banking Company assets under the Trading With The Enemy Act, that George Walker and Prescott Bush stopped pumping money into Hitler's regime. (1)


Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush. (2) On the 20th of October, the government commenced action against the company under the trading with the enemy act. (3) After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal. (4) In 1952, Prescott Bush was elected to the U.S. Senate, with no press accounts about his well-concealed Nazi past.(5)

[bobthedrummer]

8. Hi-when you get some time slad , research Karl Heinz Roverer

Gauleiter of Oldenburg.

:hug:

[KoKo]

5. Well...he would kind of fit as a Nazi throwback.......some genetic thing

where the DNA repeats some brain thing in another generation. One hopes that something like this could be identified...but we are all victims of our environment bringing out things that might have been selected differently with a DIFFERENT environment.

But, ROVE? He STANDS ALONE...for his EVIL...it was on his OWN SOUL that he heaped the EVIL MUCK he lives in.

I hold him and his DNA responsible for his ACTIONS. I don't hold his parents (even the father who committed suicide) responsible for the MAN who is a "TOOL OF EVIL." These things come up in families from time to time and NO ONE should be blamed for CHOICES. ROVE HAD CHOICES...HE MADE THEM...IT'S ON HIS OWN HEAD!

:shrug:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

6. No, he's supposedly of Norwegian descent, which

being half-Norwegian myself, is a depressing thought.

[bobthedrummer]

11. Historically the Nazi "positive eugenics" programs included "breeding" within occupied

areas like Norway that had the "proper stock".


Regardless of that LL, could you research a bit about the Gauleiter of Oldenburg Karl Heinz Roverer?

[Hardrada]

19. I am all Norwegian

and people try to bug me by bringing up Vidkun Quisling. I actually knew some of Quisling's relatives (who had retained the surname too) who were nice Iowa folks!

[Cooley Hurd]

9. "Rove" isn't his original surname...

His biological father ran out on the family and his mother remarried a guy named Rove, who adopted Karl & his siblings and raised them as his own. Karl didn't even know this until he was a teen. All this according to Wikipedia.

[Ignacio Upton]

10. I think his Nazi "bloodline" is just his adopted father's

He's not biologically related.

[seemslikeadream]

12. How old is KKKarl?

Could he be a Lebensborn baby? ;)

[bobthedrummer]

13. When we talk about some positive eugenics programs age wouldn't matter

(from that era) just viability and preservation of the "fit" sperm and eggs-or ???.

Today, of course, it's bio-engineering. Glad you mentioned that age thing-isn't he 59-60?

[MADem]

14. No. It's bullshit. NT

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

15. All the mention of this come from one source.I have never found any proof of this in my searches. nt

[The Doctor.]

16. He's adopted.

by his stepfather;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove

don't know about Louis Claude Rove Jr. though.

[bobthedrummer]

17. Based on all the posts so far here's a possibility

Karl Rove might have been brought up in an environment with a step-father that was related to the Gauleiter of Oldenburg Karl Heinz Roverer.

That environment might have been full of extreme "influences" (aka brainwashing or mind control) used by cults.

Not to mention occult influences, which are historical facts when analyzing the inner circle of any extreme regime-like the Third Reich or the false Christian front alliances with the equally false Straussian cult influences in this administration.

Loyalty and secrecy are defining characteristics of this corrupt criminal administration.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

20. I think you are romantacizing him way too much. He is a sociopath that learned his trade

in the school of Richard Nixon's Dirty Tricks. He is opportunistic and preys upon the foibles of the average American. He is a grifter.

As to Shrub, with him you can go a bit deeper into the mysticism. He grew up on the knees of Skull and Bonesmen.

[siligut]

23. Funny you mention cults

Rove grew up in Utah. Though he wasn't Mormon, it isn't mandatory that he be before entering the men's club. Mormonism just offers the religious advantage to the corruption. Look into the dark side of Mormonism and you will see parallels to Nazi mysticism, the workings of Karl Maria Wiligut are probably much appreciated by Moroni’s inner circle of adherents. All about mind control, all about power.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

18. Here is a letter to the editor of The Free Press that goes into how this isn't true.

From there, you can look up the information that this person is providing. This does ring true.

Also, Rove is his adopted name. His father abandoned his mother and she remarried a man named Rove.

http://www.freepress.org/departments.php/display/10/2003/418

Letters to the Editor/
Free Press Forum

re:Siege Heil: The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus
by Peter Tanzer
October 12, 2003

Dear Sirs:

The article mentioning the Nazi family connections of Karl Rove is journalistic sham, and you ought to be ashamed of publishing a piece in which you rely on such sources as Al Martin, who, if it is a real person, has no idea what he is talking about. First, he wrote that Karl Heinz Roverer was the Gauleiter of Mecklenburg, which is not so. The Gauleiter of Mecklenburg was SS Obergruppenfuhrer Friedrich Hildebrandt, who was sentenced to hang by the United States War Crimes court at Dachau in 1947, according to the History of the United Naitons War Crimes Commision and the Development of the Laws of War, London, HMSO, 1948, pp.521-524 (Many other sources confirm this). So Al Martin changed it (also incorrectly) to Gauleiter of Oldenburg. In fact, there was a Karl Roever von Oldenburg (and not Karl Heinz Roeverer as you report, perhaps to link him to the Roeverer's who help contruct the instruments of death at Birkenau?) who was Gauleiter of Wesen-Ems, and not of Oldenburg, which didn't have a Gauleiter. He had nothing to do with Birkenau and was not a war -criminal. In fact, he was likely assassinated by the Nazi's themselves because of his unwanted efforts to make peace with the British. I have no idea whether the Karl Rove we all know bears any relation to this Roever, and apparently neither do the authors of the flimsy piece you published.

I would like to make a general point concerning this type of publishing behavior. The people who are orchestrating the distressing "war on terrorism" are sinister enough. Journalists who, in attempting to expose them, have so little regard for truth that they prefer to repeat obviously suspicious "information" in the hopes of scoring an easy hit (this matter was easily checked as part of public record, and relying, in such cases, on internet crackpots is no substitute for that checking) cannot be anything but counter-productive.

Thank you for your time

Peter Tanzer
Formerly Professor of Philosophy, Long Island University

[bobthedrummer]

21. I also read this during research. Like I stated in the OP this is controversial.

See post 17 for where I'm at since starting this thread.

[Fuzz]

22. My grandfather was a nazi, but that has nothing to do with me

in the least. I was born here, and adopted by his son.