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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:42 AM Original message |
Give Everyone Healthcare By Shutting Insurance Companies |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. Good luck! |
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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. 10,000 Sling shots |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Not enough |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
53. I'll add mine. Husband will too. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
63. Wasn't the whole point of David vs. Goliath about the quality of the shot, not the quantity? |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. The point you make stabs me tot he depths of my soul |
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slowchange (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
126. i hear ya |
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DeltaLitProf (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
3. Not only do we need to shut them down . . . |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
29. ... |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-06-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
135. EXCELLENT POINT! |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
5. eliminate the middleman! |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 06:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Yeah, pity the poor insurance bureaucrats |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
74. An expansion of medical and para-medical education and |
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stlsaxman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
83. If health-care weren't so tightly linked to employers- they would hire up people in a big way! |
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byronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
6. I'm for that. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
7. I heard once that the majority of our health care costs occur in the last 2 months of our life. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
62. One word answer - NO |
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quidam56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 05:11 AM Response to Original message |
8. In Tennessee and Virginia Profit Care comes ahead of Patient Care |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 05:19 AM Response to Original message |
9. At worst, make t hem nonprofits and convert their staffs to |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 06:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. That doesn't work |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. That is better than 6.8B in profits that UNH had |
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Delphinus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 05:57 AM Response to Original message |
10. Shout it from the rooftops! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 06:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. i agree about Caroline Kennedy... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
85. It is very clear - rule of law = "a pony called justice" single payer = "a pony called health care" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #12 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
79. and you're breaking the rules by calling me out and attacking me. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
39. Totally disagree this time - |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
16. If it is not single payer, it will fail |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
96. absolutely agreed. why this is not crystal cleat to Obama is beyond me. nt |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
17. Insurance companies are not the only ones to blame |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #17 |
35. you, my friend, ought to be a community organizer |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
47. As a nurse, I can tell you MOST nurses would be offended by your first sentence |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 09:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
97. thank you! |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
109. Nope, sorry, if you work anywhere in the health care industry, you're evil. |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #47 |
125. . |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
58. A lot of doctors and clinic managers like myself are with you. |
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laureloak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
123. The insurance companies the ones with the skyscrapers. |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
18. If health insurance companies |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
20. K&R |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
22. No single payer health care? ...you don't get my vote. |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
23. K & R |
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pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
25. jobs? and I love my private insurance |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Oh, you've got yours? That's all that matters. Screw everyone else. |
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pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. you didn't read my whole post |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I don't have an obligation to keep insurance company employees in a job. |
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pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. nobody has an obligation |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Lifting the burden of the exorbitant cost of health care from everyone, |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. What utter and complete BULLSHIT! |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Can you please provide a list of approved vocations? |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. Certainly: PARASITES need not apply...PERIOD. |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
72. Amen. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. having gone through treatment |
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Born_A_Truman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
113. 31% |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #113 |
133. thanks...that make no sense to me |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
69. The negative effect of a few thousand unemployed would be minuscule compared with the boost |
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emmadoggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
70. Hey, |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
86. Every insurance company employee is an executive who should drop dead. |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. It makes me sick. I'm a CSR for an insurance company. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Not a lot of thought goes into it. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
114. They can take their skills elsewhere. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Will you still feel that way if you get laid off and have to pay for COBRA instead? |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. Why should I go without ANY healthcare so that insurance employees can have jobs? |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
50. I have "good" private insurance and hate it. Have you made lots of claims? |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
66. Soooo... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
95. People who like their private insurance usually haven't had to use it yet. |
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subterranean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
117. Why couldn't we have a system like the one in France? |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
28. Insurance companies = vultures |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. ALL insurance companies? Or just HEALTH insurance companies? |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. IMHO - they all need an overhaul |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. You need a better agent. |
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EnoughOfThis (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. Thank You |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
102. Well, as far as I'm concerned, all of them. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #102 |
116. "Totally criminal." That's what you think of me and my employer. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
127. All categories.... |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
32. thanks david |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
33. Shutting down insurance companies... |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
37. That's what I've been clamoring for, for a long time now... |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
38. K&R |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
43. I'm totally PRO-SINGLE PAYER. Had an "interesting" discussion with two friends recently. |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Wish I knew, but one thing to consider... |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph, AllyCat. However, I'm not so sure that |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Here is a list of organizations that compared single payer to private |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. Why? Because I know nothing about the level of care in the countries you have listed |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #77 |
124. From an anecdotal perspective: |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
78. Your friend is playing the typical privatization game - |
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Ewellian (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
91. The people handling Medicare |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #91 |
104. Thanks, Ewellian. This may be part of the costs my conservative friend is alluding to. |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
98. The information you requested |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. I really appreciate the links, Dragonfli. This is what I've been hoping to find. |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. YW /nt |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
44. Increasing the unemployment rate is a plan? |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
108. That is not the plan at all - please become informed on the subject regarding JOB GAINS - link below |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #108 |
128. Please try to apply common sense instead of hyperbole |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #128 |
134. You are unwilling to do the research then, that is understandable, most followers of blind faith |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
45. yes, yes, yes!!! End insurance's stranglehold on our wallets! They are NOT |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
51. yes, god, PLEASE |
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randr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
56. Insurance companies perform the same function as the Mafia |
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stlsaxman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
84. BINGO! Insurance was adopted by organized crime after repeal of Prohibition. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
57. When I worked in the UN and we were trapped in an obscure location |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. This is the best post on this topic here. |
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shireen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
71. wish i could rec this more than once |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
73. Huge K & R! This is what Michael Moore made SICKO for-to get rid of insurance companies! |
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TheUnspeakable (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
75. k &r |
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Yavapai (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
76. You might add to this! |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. OT: Cute grey. My 23-year-old DYH Amazon is destroying a Kong toy as I type. nt |
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Fireweed247 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
80. K&R |
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Fireweed247 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
81. and to think they have the nerve to tell us we cannot afford it |
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Duval (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
82. K&R |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
87. To the people who don't give a damn about insurance employees losing their jobs.. |
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bluedigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #87 |
100. You just made a good case against yourself. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #100 |
111. Surely, you can't be serious. |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. Insurance adds layers of complexity and cost |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #115 |
130. I hope that you don't honestly believe that. |
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bluedigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #111 |
121. Of course not! |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #100 |
119. I hope people like you aren't the ones making the case for single payer. |
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bluedigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #119 |
122. See my reply above. |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
89. Seriously, Single payer would be the best thing Obama could do for this country long term. |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
90. K&R |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
94. Can you show me the math on how this would create 2.6 million jobs? |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Certainly - the study is found here |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 02:16 AM Response to Reply #99 |
118. I see it mentioned, but it's not very clear |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 07:21 AM Response to Reply #118 |
120. I understand - you don't want to inadvertently sell a dishonest proposal - but we cut out |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
101. knr nt |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
103. k and r |
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dugaresa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
107. Actually if they use the Medicare model they will outsource the work to the big insurance groups |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
110. Obama doesn't have to reinvent the wheel -- simply change age of Medicare to include all--!!! |
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farmboxer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
112. America is a plutocracy |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #112 |
129. If "they" were wrong we'd have health care for everyone... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
131. I think the best path to single payer is to have a public competitor |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. How does a private plan 'compete' with a public plan? |
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