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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 12:23 PM
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Condi Rice's Tortured Macaca Moment
Edited on Tue May-05-09 12:31 PM by babylonsister
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-melber/condi-rices-tortured-maca_b_196530.html

Condi Rice's Tortured Macaca Moment
Ari Melber


Political blog readers know that Condi Rice recently lost it.

Asked about her role advancing torture during the Bush administration in a meeting with college students, Rice claimed that no torture occurred in Guantanamo (false); Al Qaeda poses a greater threat than the axis in World War II (dubious); and -- this was big -- the President can make an act legal by authorizing it (official Frost/Nixon alert). Along the way, Rice also berated one college student, chiding him to "do your homework first" and read a report supporting her views -- an exchange that was unbecoming and uncomfortable to watch.

Harpers' Scott Horton already demolished Rice's arguments, so I won't repeat his points here. But this incident also shows the prospects for what we might call a substantive Macaca Moment - using YouTube and citizen media to scrutinize our leaders on the issues, not gaffes.

The riveting video of Rice was a collaborative citizen project, from start to finish. Stanford students Jeremy Cohn and Sammy Abusrur asked Rice the intelligent, pointed questions that drew such revealing responses, while their classmate Reyna Garcia shot the video and uploaded it to YouTube. Garcia is no-nonsense. She simply titled the video "Condoleeza Rice meets with some students," instructed visitors to "keep comments civil," and announced that "all rights to this video belong to me, Reyna Garcia."

The seven-minute clip quickly drew 150,000 views, shot up to the top of Rice videos on YouTube, and jumpstarted traditional media coverage. Blogs pounced. Law professor Jack Balkin, who runs an influential legal blog, banged out a quick analysis of the claim that an act isn't torture if "Bush ordered it." The Washington Post ran an item about how the "riled" former secretary of state was "caught on tape" giving a "finger-wagging" torture defense to students. Online radio host Cenk Uyger picked up the clip with a YouTube commentary, "Condi Rice Pulls a Nixon," that drew over 100,000 views. The next day, Keith Olbermann devoted a segment to broadcasting and discussing Garcia's video on MSNBC.

Watching the video, however, it is striking to contrast how this civil, mildly persistent questioning from college students generated more pressure - and answers - than many of the professional television interviews Rice has done. Scott Horton also flagged this dynamic:

For eight years, Condoleezza Rice dealt with the Beltway punditry and the access-craving White House press corps. The reception she got, with a handful of exceptions, was fawning. Which leaves her totally unprepared for a return to an academy populated with the Daily Show generation: bright young minds with a very critical attitude towards the last eight years.


It would have barely mattered, of course, if the audience were limited to the few people physically present in that classroom. But this generation knows how to ask questions and get the word out. For government officials who oversaw war crimes, that could make life outside of Washington a little more trying.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 12:28 PM
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1. Very well written
I 'loves' me some truth.

No more hacks waiting to pander to Condi - how sweet it is.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 12:34 PM
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2. Saw a clip last night where Condi explains that...
...she didn't mean it wasn't illegal if Bush ordered it (by virtue of being ordered by the president), but that it wasn't illegal if Bush ordered it because he had already decided not to do anything illegal.

(Bet Condi doesn't think GW is cute anymore!)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 12:37 PM
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3. The longer she talks, the deeper the hole gets. Keep talking,
Condi-who needs a shovel?!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 12:40 PM
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4. Yeah, she seems pretty rattled these days.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 01:37 PM
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6. she deserves to be rattled... or waterboarded. can't decide.
(kidding about waterboarding)
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 12:42 PM
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5. Rec 5 n/t
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Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 02:27 PM
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7. This bodes well for the future of news.
Citizen journalists everywhere, and no place for the formerly cloistered to hide.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 04:29 PM
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8. just clarifies and magnifies the utter incompetence of Corp Media Interviews
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 04:46 PM
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9. You gotta wonder
With eight years to quiz Dr. Rice, the popular media never laid a glove on her. She danced, obfuscated, pandered, and lied her way through with nary a raised eyebrow. Her statements were jotted down faithfully, repeated verbatim, and treated with just a shade less deference than the Curia treats papal bulls.

In seven minutes, three students who refused to be buffaloed turn Dr. Rice into rice pudding. I wonder if David Gregory, George Stephanopolous, Brian Williams, Katie Couric, Charles Gibson, Bob Schieffer, or any of the rest of the overpaid news readers posing as reporters infesting our airwaves and cable channels got an eyeful? Just to see how it's done?
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 08:03 PM
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10. What is behind that - too much "production"? corporate ownership of media?
too much friendship between political journalists and politicians?
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 01:56 AM
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11. K&R
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