To give you some kind of idea how precarious of a position we are all in ...

[NNN0LHI]

Don't forget that only 6 months ago 59,934,814 people or 45.66% of the total electorate were stupid enough to actually vote for the McCain/Palin ticket. :scared:

And if that isn't enough to strike fear in your heart remember that 738,475 rocket scientists voted for Ralph Nader over Barack Obama. Think about that. And that was only 6 months ago. :scared:

See what we are up against here? We are dealing with people who both vote and are certifiably nuts. Bad combination.

Best not let our guard down knowing we are this close to having the patients running the asylum again.

Know what I mean?

Don

[NRaleighLiberal]

1. To further boggle the mind, what about the half of the country that doesn't even vote!

Boggled or boondoggled?!

[avaistheone1]

2. I don't think a vote preferring Ralph Nader makes anyone certifiably nuts.

I like the man's principles, intellect and his courage. From what I see going on in Washington right now I think Ralph Nader's voice is one that needs to be heard more than ever in this country.

Could you point out the policies Nader is wrong on?

[Vickers]

4. Policies are pretty much worthless if the dude can't get elected.

Has he ever held elected office?

:shrug:

[uncle ray]

9. to third party voters politics isn't just about winning and losing.

having a candidate that actually brings your pet issues to the debate is often enough. the third party forces the major parties to address them. maybe if the major parties had paid more attention to nader, his supporters and their issues we'd e in a better situation right now.

[Davis_X_Machina]

15. I think, at least on Wall Street...

....Nader's model has already proved too attractive -- rampant egocentrism, and a complete inability to see the world as it is.

[grasswire]

17. and maybe if these "pure" people had voted for Al Gore...

...we would have a functioning economy, a respected government, and a healthier planet today.

[Vickers]

26. I can see your point.

I still have bitter feelings about Nader, some justified, some probably not.

[avaistheone1]

10. Dudes who are able to get elected are pretty much worthless if their policies are as well.

:kick:

[Vickers]

25. No, they are worse than worthless.

Nader is ineffective, but that is actually better than someone (Bush/Cheney) with criminal policies.

(Not saying they were duly elected, btw...)

[NNN0LHI]

5. Ralph's policy of knowingly accepting money from Republicans

How that?

Don

[avaistheone1]

11. So did Obama.

And Obama has placed Republicans in his administration as well as lobbyists which he said he would not do.

[NNN0LHI]

13. Obama took money from Republicans who had maxed out for McCain?

And the Republicans did that did in hopes of siphoning away votes from Nader?

Is that what you are suggesting?

Sounds a little far fetched to me.

Don

[avaistheone1]

21. Obama has channeled Reagan in his speeches.

Have you ever heard Nader do that?



Sorry I broke your heart.

[hfojvt]

23. intellect and courage? Are you crazy?

The man was stupid enough to help elect George W. Bush. He was asked before the election "What if your campaign helps to elect Bush?" His answer. "I don't care." In retrospect, isn't that pretty darn stupid?

[Davis_X_Machina]

3. 738,475 rocket scientists voted...

If they were all in one place, they'd have two senators, and probably two, possibly three, reps (assuming half of eligible voters vote).

That's equivalent to Maine or New Hampshire -- just with large puppets.

[grasswire]

18. and incense (eom)

[90-percent]

6. MSM

As the propaganda arm of the right, there is also the misinformation poisoning the national debate on pretty much everything manufactured from thin air by the MSM wurlitzer.

Wing nuts are going off half cocked on information that is not even true!

How can you have a debate where at least half of it is manufactured untrue bullshit?

The bullshit example I give, out of many, many examples, is the China angle drilling for oil into Florida whilst Americans are forbidden to do the same.

COMPLETE MANUFACTURED CLAPTRAP that is now firmly welded into the collective minds of all righties.

And these fact-free factoids are manufactured at the rate of about ten per day by the right wing propaganda machine.

Hey, righties, EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG.

The good news is the public is starting to reject outright the propaganda the MSM is cooking, based on the horrific future of newspapers and other conventional media.

We got the internets, you fuckers, and more and more Americans are learning about the Internets as a source of bona fide news information, instead of fairy tale artificially manufactured corporate propaganda!

-90% Jimmy

[ldf]

24. not to highjack the thread

but didn't we, as in, american oil companies, teach kuwait how to slant-drill, allowing kuwait access to iraq's oil?

the whole iraq war mess started when saddam expressed outrage, and h w bush said, don't worry, if you want to do something, we won't become involved...

and the rest is history...

could they be spinning the truth of our past actions to strike fear into the typical, gullible american, exploiting our ever growing fear of china, for their own (as always) nefarious purposes?

does the wild bear excrete in the forest?

:shrug:

[lostnotforgotten]

7. Precarious Positions = Obama Fail = Republican Mid-Term Gains

Obama Fails on the following issues:

1) Health Care Reform - no single payer consideration

2) Torture Investigation - his administration is backpedaling from this as fast as they can move their legs

3) Bank Bailout / Bank & Financial Institution Reform - middle America is finally appalled at what the oligarchs have done

4) Economy - mis-directed emphasis and too little new taxation for the upper classes - middle America has had it

[avaistheone1]

12. Careful.

You be bad.

[Davis_X_Machina]

14. They'll vote for the alternative, on offer from the GOP, to wit:

1) Health Care Reform - none.
2) Torture Investigation -none -- rather, a commitment to more torture
3) More, and more egregious, transfer of wealth to the oligarchs.
4) Economy - more outsourcing, less taxation of the upper class.

Because when I don't get what I want, I look for someone offering the exact opposite.

Or maybe this really is The Kucinich Moment.

[Fumesucker]

16. Maybe on the other hand..

They just stay home..

[northernlights]

8. you forgot one critical detail...just to add to the fear factor

they breed. A lot. :scared:

[muffin1]

19. Although I love my dad, he is certifiably nuts!

He told me right before the 2008 election, that even though he voted for Bush twice (:puke: I'm still not sure how I could have come from his loins!), if given the chance, he wouldn't vote for him again.
For a minute I had hope...could it be? Nope, he supported McSame/Failin.

Does not compute...does not compute...:shrug:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. The way for Obama to keep/get the votes of the left is to move to the left.

Which, so far, hasn't been evident.

[Davis_X_Machina]

22. Good.

That way he bids fair to continue in office.

[EFerrari]

27. Yeah, I know what you mean. And, I think you're probably right. n/t