When Do We Stop Being "Patient"?

[placton]

Poll question: When Do We Stop Being "Patient"?

Having been criticized (along with anyone who offers criticism of the Prez) on this board for "not being patient," I wonder when impatience can be noted here without criticisms about "taking it elsewhere," or being " freepers"? Just let us poor souls know?

[cali]

1. nice whine.

too bad it's bullshit. the people getting slammed here for "ciriticizing" Obama, almost to a person b belong to the crowd that says, in essence, that he's just another bush. they're the folks that have written him off, and wrote him off even before he took office. they're the folks calling him a war criminal, yada, yada, yada.

[omega minimo]

6. you are fighting phantom phonies who filled in when reasonable voices were driven out

a different kind of echo chamber

[stray cat]

2. Some of us actually just disagree that we have been thrown under a bus

but thats because we actually have diverse views and are not a monolith. However, I still want my 401K money back and job security for life but I don't think I can blame Obama for that.

[zipplewrath]

3. Matter of timing

You are hamstrung by the fact that some issues will take time. So until he takes actual action, it may be premature. Alternately, when he takes a "pass" on some opportunity, I'd suggest that maybe it is "time". So say his Afgan policy may be something for which he deserves a little time, or at least ones strident position should recognize that his solution is as "valid" as yours. Alternately, the more opportunities he passes up on DADT, it would seem that criticism becomes more warranted with each missed opportunity. Healthcare is going to take time, and may be a multi-step process. Criticism may need to be held or tempered until actual action occurs. Alternately, those early actions that are taken deserve criticism. A bit like some of his foreign policy moves however, it may be appropriate to acknowledge that although his process is different from yours, his goals may be similar.

In that I think is often the source of friction around here. Some merely want to focus upon shared goals and consider process to be something outside the bounds of criticism. Some believe process determines the goals and want to level criticism at the process level, especially at the beginning. Being the solid fence sitter that I tend to be, I'm willing to give him alot of rope on process, even as I express concern about some of his choices. He did campaign upon "doing it differently" and that means occasionally using processes that we don't like, or at least trust (yet). I do think he has an obligation though to explain his process. This "chess master" schtick just doesn't sit well with me. Tell me what you're doing and why and I'll be willing to wait to judge the result. Some blind "trust me, I know what I'm doing" just isn't government of, by, and for the people.

[Orsino]

4. "Patience" is too often code for shutting up.

Don't shut up. The Obama Administration is already putting its solutions in place. Be a part of the debate. Real patience is a virtue--but so are courage and hard work.

[Political Tiger]

5. Let the games begin

:popcorn:

[blindpig]

7. My patience ended in 2004.

It then became obvious that the Democratic Party would not be doing anything like moving left. Subsequent events have proved me correct. Indeed, the party seems to be moving to the right, leaving it's traditional base in the dust.

[ZombieHorde]

8. Depends on the subject.

The economy needs more time, but he has already been clear about his stance on marijuana.

[BlooInBloo]

9. ON IT'S WAY!!!

[NeedleCast]

10. Guess that depends on what you're waiting for

Obama has us on a much better track than we've been on. So what is it you're waiting for him to do?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. "Be patient" = "Let them eat cake" or "There'll be pie in the sky when you die."

[bemildred]

12. Who is this "we" you speak of?

:popcorn: