Honestly, I think we should just trust our President in every decision he makes.

[Bluebear]

We should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens.

[Solly Mack]

1. You channeling again?

:P

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

2. +1

[Sanity Claws]

3. Welcome, Britney

Are the meds still working?

[ControlledDemolition]

97. You mean BritneyBear!!! n/t

[MikeNearMcChord]

4. Like trusting LBJ on Vietnam? I hope there is an Daniel Ellsberg type

who will leak the photos, this nightmare needs to end right now! As long as torture by Americans exists and there is no accountability, we are a nation on the side of the babarians.

[omega minimo]

5. Now watch this drive.

[rcrush]

6. Yeah and its wartime to.

You shouldnt disagree with the president during a war! What are you? French?

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Are you outing yourself Britney?

You had me there for a second, until I remembered that quote... I recommend the sarcasm taggie for the ones who'd forgotten her quote

[hlthe2b]

8. Pass the drugs...

Ya know ya gotta bring enough for all of us....:evilgrin:

[Mike 03]

9. I disagree. I think we should use our common sense on a case by case basis.

We have brains for a reason.

For the first time, this week, he made a decision that shocked and disappointed me. As much as I love Obama, I can't pretend I agree with his decision this week.

That would be hypocritical of me. Because when that piece of shit Bush made the same decision, I despised him for making it.

EDIT: I appreciate that you are being facetious. I understand that. Your point is well taken and I agree with you.

[ControlledDemolition]

98. That would hurt my Republican brain! n/t

[laststeamtrain]

10. Me too.

[Bluebear]

11. :)

[Sebastian Doyle]

71. areyouthekirkunit?

[Swamp Rat]

12. Whoops! I did it again.

[mmonk]

25. Good one. Glad to see your work again.

[Forkboy]

36. Swampie!!!!!!!

You old roister doister!!! :toast:

By the way, you were supposed to leave my vacation pictures alone. x(

[Swamp Rat]

54. Wicked child!

:D



How are you Forkboy? :hug: Long time no see... I'm on the southside of the globe and loving it! :toast:

[Forkboy]

55. What the hell are you doing in the Antarctic?

:P

[Swamp Rat]

69. Planting our flag and recruiting penguins.

:D

[Forkboy]

72. March of the gay penguins.

Somewhere just now, a republican zookeepers head just exploded! :rofl:

[ControlledDemolition]

99. Anything interesting coming through on the South Pole Telescope? n/t

[EFerrari]

73. LOL

[laststeamtrain]

13. K & R .

[leftofthedial]

14. The same goes for all those Democratic Senators too.

They are way smarter than we are. They probably could beat some of us in chess too.

We should just have faith that whatever they do is for our own good.

[Fuzz]

15. Did you forget the sarcasm tag?

[TankLV]

16. HA! Good one...

you forgot the "sarcasm" thingy...again...

[peekaloo]

17. *tee hee* from the can't think and chew gum at the same time files.

:D

[Octafish]

18. Works every time.

Conspiratorial Wink (detail) by Michael Samuels.



Oh..! Ha! Bluebear! I got ya.

[ananda]

19. I hope that was meant sarcastically.

Nobody .. especially not a public official..
should be given carte blanche to do whatever
they want.

We already had eight years of that with Bush..

[Raster]

20. Folks, no sarcasm tag included. The entire post is a sarcasm tag.

[Canuckistanian]

21. Like, what EVER

[flyarm]

22. BINGO!! good one..i have a good question ..

that Glen Greenwald asks ..

Glen Greenwald's question to people defending Obama's position on torture photos http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/13/photo...

"...(5) For all of you defend-Obama-at-all-cost cheerleaders who are about to descend into my comment section and other online venues to explain how Obama did the right thing because of National Security, I have this question: if you actually want to argue that concealing these photographs is the right thing to do, then you must have been criticizing Obama when, two weeks ago, he announced that he would release them. Otherwise, it's pretty clear that you don't have any actual beliefs other than: "I support what Obama does because it's Obama who does it." So for those arguing today that concealing these photographs is the right thing to do: were you criticizing Obama two weeks ago for announcing he would release these photographs?"


...As Judge Hellerstein wrote in rejecting the Bush argument -- now the Obama argument -- that disclosure would jeopradize the troops: "the freedoms that we champion are as important to our success in Iraq and Afghanistan as the guns and missiles with which our troops are armed."

[Bluebear]

35. Well.

You should post that in its own thread.

[Jax]

42. Kick for OP and this post

thanks for the link flyarm.

"I support what Obama does because it's Obama who does it".....'were you criticizing Obama two weeks ago for announcing he would release these photographs?'

That question by Greenwald is spot on as are you, it is a very good one.

I agree you should make this a post of it's own.

Alyce

[madokie]

23. For the most part

He does have info to work with that we don't but surely that doesn't mean anything, huh?

[kentuck]

24. Nonsense.

Show me someone who has agreed with him on everything?

[Name removed]

26. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Bluebear]

32. "Poutrage", whoa! Clever!

:crazy:

[Lex]

46. Isn't it though? He was smart enough to post a pic

of a teddy bear in another thread. Next I guess we'll get the pony picture.

[Bluebear]

53. Personally I believe that the right thing to do does NOT change with who is President.

(Who said that?!)

[QC]

63. He's still posting that thing? I adblocked his Photobucket folder long ago.

[Mari333]

56. LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!

[yowzayowzayowza]

27. Hez earned a double measure of deference from me so far.

Buttressed against his likely desire for a second term, I'm not concerned yet.

[Hepburn]

28. You forgot this:

:sarcasm:

[L0oniX]

29. Landrew ...."Are you of the body?"

[unblock]

30. why, to do otherwise would be to act as a traitor to our country!

[OneBlueSky]

31. when Obama does something that I question, I always have to remind myself . . .

that we now have a president who is smarter than me, and likely smarter than most of us . . . I believe he truly wants to do the right thing in every issue area, but he realizes that some things are going to take longer than others . . . one does not engage the forces of the status quo in battle lightly . . .

take healthcare, for instance . . . I actually believe that Obama believes in a universal single payer system, but knows that there's no way it will pass this time around . . . better to have a public option in addition to the current system, and go for the whole ball of wax when experience proves that the savings from such a mixed system will be negligible . . . yes, we'll have to do it all over again -- but with new evidence that ONLY universal single payer makes sense . . . I think that's probably how Obama sees it, and of necessity he's willing to make this into a two-part campaign -- get what he can now, and go for the rest later . . .

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[Forkboy]

39. ## Please reinstate 11 banned members and I'll think about it. ##

[QC]

65. Have I told you lately just how much you rock? n/t

[uppityperson]

91. ## Best post of the day ##

[Pale Blue Dot]

96. ...

:thumbsup:

[ColbertWatcher]

34. Howw is babby formed? US Americans don't have maps? Putin rears his head? Wha? n/t

[ControlledDemolition]

100. I bet you put food on your family, also! n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

102. They understand it's for the good of the country. n/t

[Bonobo]

37. Wow, it's a Passive-Aggressive Straw Man!

Great invention!

[redqueen]

45. It gets attention...

I guess that's the goal.

[Joanne98]

61. LOL

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. Oh, I DO! I DO!

I trust him to be a politician looking towards the next election and doing whatever he thinks necessary to win it.

[Joanne98]

40. Been there, done that.

[sellitman]

41. I honestly think I should take everthing I read at face value.

[Fumesucker]

43. He's smarter than us, knows more than us..

Has better advisers than us and all he wants to do is the right thing.

In fact, he even knows better than us what is good for us.

What could possibly go wrong?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

83. And he's a grand master at chess to boot!

[redqueen]

44. Seriously, is anyone saying that about Obama?

[Bluebear]

47. Torture photos MUST be released under Bush. But Obama not releasing them is genius.

For starters.

[redqueen]

48. In other words, no.

Cutesey, but pointless.

Unless the only point is to get a bunch of attention & agreement from like-minded folks.

I guess that's productive, somehow.

[Bluebear]

49. Then run along and us "like minded folks" who need attention will meet here.

:hi:

[redqueen]

50. Hah...

you're not the boss of me! :P

[Bluebear]

51. OK nice knowing you, queenie.

Have fun, oh deep thinker.

[redqueen]

52. Aw, so now you're gonna turn nasty on me?

Oh well... no big loss I guess.

It's ironic and kinda sad, cause I also would rather the photos were released.

[Lorien]

74. It's a Brittany Spears quote about Bush. nt

[redqueen]

75. Yes, I know.

However, the OP is using that quote to to imply that that is the sentiment that anyone who disagrees with them about the torture photos feels about Obama.

It's insulting and ridiculous.

[spoony]

82. It's not far from that.

There are posters saying that we should trust that Obama has some unkown strategy that involves doing what appears to be wrong for some eventual good, so we shouldn't call him wrong now. That, to me, is as preposterous as what the OP is spoofing. I understand hoping the President has big plans, but how many things have we heard this "chess player" rationale about now, and have any of these master plans ever emerged?

[tbyg52]

88. Some people, basically, yeah. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

57. I think we should make up shit about Obama over every decision he makes.

As a member of the whiny pissant community, that's what I think we should do.

[EFerrari]

58. Praise Authority.

[laureloak]

59. You must have read my reply on a torture/photo thread.

Because I trust Obama to do the right thing here. It's a case of being careful about what you wish for. You don't know what's in those photos or the ramifications of making them public. None of us know. I'll take my chances by trusting in the person I voted for rather than going for the unknown all because it appeases some blogger with who-knows-what motives.

[Bluebear]

60. Then you must have been praising him 2 weeks ago when he said he would release them, right?

Love,

Some blogger

[laureloak]

64. I admire and encourage changing one's mind after reconsidering

a problem.

[EFerrari]

62. When people take their citzenship test, there is no correct answer

"trust the President".

And the alternative to trusting someone you don't know would be to inform yourself and reason it out on your own. You might still agree with Obama but at least you'd know why and wouldn't be forced to rely on an act of faith.

[laureloak]

66. Well, since you can't see the evidence you would have to

trust or distrust the president. I choose to trust. I'm certainly not going to get up in arms about it because some blogger (who doesn't know what they're talking about) gets riled up.

[EFerrari]

67. The fact that the evidence is being withheld by the president

is not a reason to trust the president.

/clarity

[laureloak]

68. You don't have to see to trust. Trust is about NOT seeing. n/t

[EFerrari]

70. Exactly. Trust is not about seeing. And knowing something for yourself is not about trust.

[laureloak]

77. But you don't know anything about the photos or the

ramifications of releasing them, nor does anyone else blogging here, self included. I chose to trust that Obama is making the best decision for me by not releasing them and you chose to distrust him for not releasing them.

We just disagree.

[EFerrari]

78. I choose not to trust a public official on something so important

that it is my responsibility to know for myself.

[laureloak]

79. You have no choice. That's why you vote for representation. n/t

[EFerrari]

80. I don't give away my brain with my vote. Do you?

[flyarm]

81. when i vote for representation it is because i know i am their employer!

not the other way around!..I never vote for representation to give away my responsibility as a "we the people"..i am the boss of representation!.I pay their salaries..and i expect them to do the damn job i sent them to do.

Which is it for you defenders of Obama refusing to give the court the photo's of torture???????

Glen Greenwald's question to people defending Obama's position on torture photos http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/13/photo ...

"...(5) For all of you defend-Obama-at-all-cost cheerleaders who are about to descend into my comment section and other online venues to explain how Obama did the right thing because of National Security, I have this question: if you actually want to argue that concealing these photographs is the right thing to do, then you must have been criticizing Obama when, two weeks ago, he announced that he would release them. Otherwise, it's pretty clear that you don't have any actual beliefs other than: "I support what Obama does because it's Obama who does it." So for those arguing today that concealing these photographs is the right thing to do: were you criticizing Obama two weeks ago for announcing he would release these photographs?"


...As Judge Hellerstein wrote in rejecting the Bush argument -- now the Obama argument -- that disclosure would jeopradize the troops: "the freedoms that we champion are as important to our success in Iraq and Afghanistan as the guns and missiles with which our troops are armed."


edit to add:I did not hire Obama to circumvent my constitutional rights as an American or the laws of our land and courts and to circumvent our constitution..by refusing this court order he is breaking our laws..and if he continues, he is then complcit in the crimes against our nation and he will have abdicated his oath of office and should be removed from office!

[Two Americas]

87. that is false

You are saying that you trust this one politician, and then falsely characterize others as not trusting this one politician.

What the others are saying is that trust in any politician is no substitute for open government and an informed public.

You then say that the public should not demand that they be informed, because they don't know everything. So, they should not be informed because they are not informed.


...

[laureloak]

103. Get real. The public can't possibly know everything

before a decision is made or nothing would ever get done.

[Two Americas]

86. interesting logic there

Since we don't know what the government is doing, therefore they know better than us, so they should not let us know what they are doing, therefore I trust them.



...

[earth mom]

76. Deja Vu. nt

[jonnyblitz]

84. K & R. right the fuck on, Bluebear!!

:thumbsup:

[Starry Messenger]

85. .

:D

[tbyg52]

89. Ignorance is strength!

War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery!

Oops - I got carried away.... ;)

[ControlledDemolition]

101. Happiness is a warm gun. n/t

[proteus_lives]

90. Sorry, don't have enough trust in me.

The only people I completely trust are my BF and my Mom. My dad doesn't even make the list.

President Obama is going to have to keep stepping up to the plate.

[JonLP24]

92. That is insane

I trust most of the moves he makes mostly because I support them then there are choices that stink badly. I will criticize or support where I see fit.

[Ohio Joe]

93. I don't trust every decision I make....

Why would I trust anyone else in every thing?

[beevul]

94. Call me old fashioned...

Call me old fashioned, but where and when I came from, trust is NEVER given.

Simply having a badge, gun, title or position matters not - even for the POTUS.



Trust is earned.

Everyone will have to make up his or her own mind whether they trust Obama in every decision he makes, and why or why not.

[Release The Hounds]

95. Sounds a lot like Jillian