Leaked Torture Photos as heard on Thom Hartman

[Royal Oak Rog]

Source: http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/

Thom Hartman reported about a half an hour ago he was looking at photos that Obama didn't want you to see. Here they are:http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/05/here-are-few-of-torture-photos-obama.html

Read more: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/05/here-are-few-of-torture-photos-obama.html

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they are not new, they were leaked to the Sydney Morning Herald a couple of years ago.

[saigon68]

1. Nice

[notadmblnd]

4. What would make those marks?

dog bites, being dragged across rocks or glass?

[Richard D]

8. Cigarette burns.

Not dog bites. Not being dragged over something. Too widely dispersed for that. Maybe scalpels.

[comrade snarky]

15. Looks to ragged for a scalpel

Could be what's left after a "stress position" over something with small bumps with hard edges.

One of the techniques of the inquisition was to lay a person out, hands and arms tied, with the small of the back placed over a board or other "obstruction". Over the course of hours the back will go into spasm. I can easily imagine the skin being broken in a sort of secondary wound.

I'm no expert but this could be consistent with that type of torture.

[Recursion]

19. My call is "beanbag" shotgun, or secondary shrapnel

[KansDem]

10. I was thinking cigarette burns...

Or maybe a red-hot poker being applied to the skin.

[mikelgb]

13. look like pellet gun welts

[Hepburn]

2. OMFG.........

......:puke: :cry: :grr:

[KansDem]

3. I think we also need to bear in mind that 70-90% of these "detainees" were innocent civilians...

...rounded up in military sweeps, according to Jimmy Carter in his book, "Our Endangered Values." He cited US Army intel and the International Red Cross for his statistics...

[sofa king]

5. It's one thing to think you know it. It's another to see it.

Everyone who can stand it should take a look.

[stillcool]

6. edit..didn't see they weren't new...

but they are part of the pictures in question?

[Royal Oak Rog]

7. at the top of the post

it says they were leaked a couple a years ago, so whether or not they are the pictures in question I'm not sure. I am sure that they are a reasonable facsimile.

[saigon68]

9. Never saw these before

There are some that are similar like Graner punching guys with sand bags on their heads.

[McCamy Taylor]

11. Must be prosecuted.

[Royal Oak Rog]

12. Couldn't Agree with you more!

We're either a country of laws, or it's only a law when the President says it is. Something must be done!

[janx]

14. The guy in pics 2 and 4 looks familiar. Are these from

Abu Ghraib?

[redqueen]

16. We are still so primitive...

still far too willing to do evil things, and even try to defend them.

Not "we" as in you and me... "we" as in human beings. (e.g. the Milgram experiment)

[chatnoir]

17. Should not have read the comments at that blog

Feel unclean and dirty now. Seemed like 80% of them were dittof****. Ugh.

[Mojambo]

18. God those comments are aggravating. n/t

[leftupnorth]

20. Here's the passage from the US Marine Essential Subjects P1500.44A

That that gentelman read two Friday's ago transcribed from a copy I bought after I heard it on Thom's show.

3. Principles of the Law of War

Discipline in combat is essential. Disbedience to the Law of War dishonors the Nation, the Marine Corps, and the individual Marine; and far from weakening the enemy's will to fight, it strengthens it. The following principles require the Marine's adherence in the accomplishment of any mission


<*>Marines fight only enemy combatants.
<*>marines do not harm enemies who surrender. Disarm them and turn them over to your superior.
<*>Marines do not kill or torture prisoners.
<*>Marines collect and care for the wounded, whether friend or foe.
<*>Marines do not attack medical personnel, facilities, or euipment.
<*>Marines destroy no more than the mission requires.
<*>Marines treat all civilians humanely.
<*>Marines do not steal. Marines respect private property and possessions.
<*>Marines should do their best to prevent violations of the Law of War. Report all violations of the Law of War to your superior.


Violations of these principles detract from the commander's ability to accomplish his mission, have an adverse impact on public opinion (both national and international), have on occasion served to prolong the conflict by inciting an oppponent to continue resistance, and in most cases constitute violations of the UCMJ. These principles are consistent with the principles of war, principles of leadership, and tactical considerations. Violations of these principles disregard these basic military tenets and prejudice the good order and discipline essential to success in combat.

4. Sources of the Law of War

The Law of War is derived from two principal sources:

<*>Law making treaties (or conventions)
<*>Custom

Under the Constitution, treaties constitute part of the "Supreme Law of the Land" and have a force equal in laws enacted by Congress. Although some of the Law of War is not incorporatedin any treaty or convention to which the United States is a party, this body of unwrittenor customary law is firmly established by the custom of nations. It is also part of the United States and is binding upon the United States, its citizens, and persons serving in the Armed Forces of this country.

[Hellataz]

21. Link to the all the photos

http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2006/02/15/1139890768970.html?page=3

[depakid]

22. Impressive comments under the blog

Yep- America is indeed a nation full of torturers and it (as well as its people) well deserve the reputation they've earned abroad.