so....... what happened to the great global Pandemic Flu??, looks like Baxter squeaked by again...

[sam sarrha]

without getting caught

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. And Monsanto. Or shall I say Monsatan?

Baxter. Monsanto. Boeing.

Damn you all.

[The Straight Story]

4. 4200 now in the US with it, most all states

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/update.htm

[Snazzy]

26. ha--the pig lobby won, now CDC calls it "Novel Influenza"

And somewhere scared Freepers are burning books....

[Snazzy]

27. that chart is worth posting, considering lack of news coverage

[Snazzy]

28. those are FEMA regions btw

[Tangerine LaBamba]

2. I just read that 3 NYC schools have been closed.........

Read it here - http://tinyurl.com/oshy64 - but it certainly doesn't seem like any kind of "deadly outbreak."

Of course, to that reality, the Swine Flu Chicken Littles will say that it'll come back in the Autumn, and be far stronger and deadlier.

::::: achoo ::::: cough, cough ::::::

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

34. An assistant principal is in critical condition.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. WHO pandemic alert level

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/phase/en/index.html

Just because you believe that means people falling off like flies does not mean that is the definition used by responsible people... who don't wear tin foils

[Caliman73]

8. I have to agree with you on that.

Just because a professional health organization is following its protocol in good conscience does not mean that there is some evil agenda transpiring. Pandemic means widespread. If you look at the spread of the flu, it is everywhere. It doesn't meant that it is killing everyone, just that it this one strain of flu is easy to spread. Most flu seasons consist of more than one strain being spread regionally. This one took off almost globally. It is a pandemic.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. and what the responsible people are afraid off is the

mutation that will happen from now to September...

waves, all pandemics we have records for have pandemics, some more defined than others, but the second wave is far deadlier

[noiretextatique]

12. i appreciate your efforts to educate

even though some people insist on remaining ignorant. i am paying close attention to this pandemic, especially since it is not in the psot-peak phase.
i am going to las vegas in a few weeks, so i am damn sure paying attention. i think it's a bad time to go to a place like that, but the family is not as cautious as i am.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. You welcome, last night the Times published a strange pattern for this

and had me going SHIT.

Fever is absent in 50% of patients, yep, early stages don't show fever.

Oh and this may also be transmitted in feces... a joy in emerging economies.

[dixiegrrrrl]

17. I would love to read that...got a link lying around?

which Times?
NY
Seattle?
High?

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. here you go

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/health/13fever.html?_r=2&hp

[uppityperson]

30. Thank you for that article. I hope it isn't found in feces.

[uppityperson]

20. hi nadin, was that NYT?

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Yeah the NYT

and I guess i will have to look for the link... I posted it here... but ahem sank

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. Responsible people are afraid of viruses mutating?

Are they afraid of all viruses mutating?

Like the rabies virus mutating into super airborne zombie viruses?

Or are they just afraid of the latest woo woo virus mutating?

[uppityperson]

23. WTF? Uncalled for. Yes, influenza, like cold viruses, mutate.

[regnaD kciN]

32. Exactly...

I have a friend who works at the CDC, and he says people there are just as concerned as before. This flu, which is of the same type as the Spanish Flu of 1918-1919, is following the same pattern, with an initial outbreak that is/was relatively mild. It was the second wave of the Spanish Flu that turned seriously deadly, and the third wave was even more lethal.

Will that happen this time as well? No way to know just yet, but it certainly could. And one other thing that's worth mentioning about that variant -- while most flu outbreaks claim as their victims those who were frail, the elderly, and the very young, what made the Spanish Flu notable is that it tended to kill healthy people in the prime of their life.

I'm not panicking yet, but I'm also not assuming that it's all over and everyone was just being a "Chicken Little." :eyes:

[Sigh Sister]

36. My understanding is that it COULD be deadlier, not that it will be n/t

[ejpoeta]

5. there were a couple more cases near buffalo. they aren't closing schools though.

guess the pandemic fizzled. now the next time if it is, do you think folks will believe it?

[RandomThoughts]

6. I read an article there was a close call in Europe. Impossible to know if it is true.

Some vacine had two strains of flu, one active avian flu. And with two strains it increases chance of mutation. According to article it was a close call.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html
While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.
That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.

However if it was intentional or real, it might not have shown up in news. So it is either really an accident, a real nefarious act, or the fact that it was in just a couple released articles means it could be to foster fear, or create thoughts of a conspiracy.

Impossible to know, but an avian outbreak with the hype of the other flu, would have been bad both for those that got sick, and for the stress it would create.

And people thinking it almost happened is bad also. Unless it did almost happen, then it needs investigating, a big 'good job' to those that caught it by testing virus before distribution. (again if true)

[bluestateguy]

7. The Obama Administration was on top of this and didn't let it get out of control

And they are continuing to do so, as we still have to make it through the winter flu season.

Contrast that to the Bush team and Katrina or moron Tommy Thompson during the anthrax mailings.

[cherokeeprogressive]

44. What did they do? n/t

[stillcool]

9. I haven't been paying attention..

to where it all is. I guess the next time there is a brand new strain of flu, and the contagion, and severity are unknown, the government and WHO should shut up about it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. So all protocols for containment should not be followed... got it

:thumbsdown: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :banghead:

[stillcool]

15. I was being sarcastic...

I thought it was obvious.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. May I suggest the obvious tag next time

:-)

[sam sarrha]

35. with the ..Freeper Infection Level.. here being "ORANGE", ..we'r all skittish

:hide: :yoiks:

[TexasObserver]

18. Fool me once, shame on ... you. Fool me ... you can't get fooled again!

I seem to recall saying the whole swine flu imbroglio would fade within weeks.

It did.

[The Straight Story]

19. no, the press faded coverage

Still a hot topic with the cdc, and it is spreading.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Just because the press moved to the next shiny bauble, we call it the NEWS CYCLE

does not mean it has faded... from reality

TRY looking at the WHO and CDC sites...

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

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[nadinbrzezinski]

29. and the ignorant on things they don't understand

preen around

[uppityperson]

31. Swine Flu Not an Accident From a Lab, W.H.O. Says

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/health/policy/15flu.html
The swine flu virus did not result from a laboratory accident, the World Health Organization said Thursday, working to debunk rumors started by an Australian virologist and circulated by news outlets all over the world. “We took this very seriously,” Dr. Keiji Fukuda, the agency’s deputy director general, said of the virologist’s assertion. “But the evidence suggests that this is a naturally occurring virus, not a laboratory-derived virus.”

(clip)

The virus rumor was started by Adrian J. Gibbs, a retired plant virologist from the Australian National University, who previously published work in the journal Science questioning the idea, now accepted, that the 1918 pandemic started as a bird flu. Dr. Gibbs, who had studied the gene sequences of the swine flu virus posted on public data banks, argued that it must have been grown in eggs, the medium used in vaccine laboratories. He reached that conclusion, he said, because the new virus was not closely related to known ones and because it had more of the amino acid lysine and more mutations than typical strains of swine flu.

His theory was reported by Bloomberg News on Tuesday. Even though scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were skeptical and some prominent virologists openly derisive, news outlets have repeated and magnified the theory, adding speculation about bioterrorism that even Dr. Gibbs repudiated. He was also interviewed Thursday on the ABC News program “Good Morning America.” Dr. Fukuda said a W.H.O. panel of experts had concluded that “the hypothesis does not really stand up to scrutiny.” The lysine residues and mutation rates were typical, he said, and many swine flus seem unrelated because not enough pigs are tested each year.

(clip)

Late Thursday, Smithfield Foods reported that the Mexican health authorities had not found the new virus in herds at its huge hog-fattening operations in Veracruz, which some have blamed for the outbreak. But it was not clear what test was used; only blood tests for antibodies would show whether pigs had the virus in February, when the human outbreak is thought to have begun. ...(more@link)

[sam sarrha]

37. just google 'Baxter virus release'

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html
Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus..The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses.

http://cgi.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=14096
"snip..Journal of virology 2009;83(9):4287-96.
Swine influenza was first recognized as a disease entity during the 1918 "Spanish flu" pandemic. The aim of this work was to determine the virulence of a plasmid-derived human 1918 pandemic H1N1 influenza virus... Four-week-old piglets were inoculated intratracheally with either the 1930/rec or the 1918/rec virus or intranasally with the 1918/rec virus. A transient increase in temperature and mild respiratory signs developed postinoculation in all virus-inoculated groups. In contrast to other mammalian hosts (mice, ferrets, and macaques) where infection with the 1918/rec virus was lethal, ..snip"


search link
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS310&q=+%27Baxter+virus+release%27&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS310&q=%27Baxter+live+virus+release+to+18+labs%27&btnG=Search

[uppityperson]

38. Good grief. Directed at them, not you.

[sam sarrha]

42. yea... you are F'n Upidity..

[sam sarrha]

45. it was my post....

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[TwixVoy]

39. Look at my post a few weeks back in which I told everyone to bookmark it

I was called a fool and an idiot and by this time we would all be dieing. Now I have it bookmarked to rub in anyones face who called me those names.

[DemReadingDU]

40. Could you post the link?

As soon as the media started hyping the flu, I wondered what they didn't want us to talk about. Maybe Cheney didn't want us to talk about torture anymore? Maybe they didn't want us to discuss the impending bankruptcy of Chrysler and GM which would put thousands (millions?) in unemployment?
If we had seen thousands of people dying, real fast, then yeh the flu would have been very serious. But this bug going around doesn't seem to be as bad as the regular winter flu. But the flu could mutate over the summer and come back in the fall with a vengeance. Wait and see.

[TexasObserver]

41. So much for swine flu. AGAIN.

One would think people would learn from the past.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

43. Joe Biden stopped it in it's tracks.