Should Germany keep concentration camp pictures secret?

[scentopine]

Republicans who never give a crap about what the rest of world thinks are suddenly care about what rest of world thinks?????????

Wouldn't it just make everyone mad at Germany to publish these death camp photos? It might prevent them from becoming a huge economic and military power.
http://www.remember.org/camps
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos

Maybe we should consider keeping these civil war photos secret? It would just make slave states mad at the union? How will anyone from the South ever get elected to president of USA? How will slave states ever gain influence in politics?
http://www.civilwarphotos.net/files/gettysburg.htm

Japan and Nanking - called "killing practice to boost moral of soldiers" I guess these photos kept Japan from achieving reform and turning into one of largest economies in world. The emperor believed it was the will of heaven to commit these atrocities to terrorize Chinese into submission.
http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiqH47MIpuoA

We started a war with another country based on lies and killed over 100,000 non-combatant people (official hospital & morgue count) and potentially 600,000 http://www.iraqbodycount.org

Should we hide this fact because people will be mad at us?

None of these things are ancient history.

You cannot bury the past and then claim to see the future.

The photos must be released and published. There must be justice.

[Buzz Clik]

1. Nazis again.

This shit is too fucking tiring.

[tom_paine]

7. Sorry, Buzz. Relevant is relevant and this analogy is even more relevant than usual.

You know I respect you, but it never ceases to amaze me how some can be is disbelief at the evidence of our own eyes at just how close the Bushies are in psychology and intent to the Nazis.

Now, with the "photos argument" that has recently come up, the analogy is closer than usual. Just as with the Nazis refusing to believe what had been done in their name, so you KNOW there is a large portion, maybe a majority still, of Americans who are in the exact same mental place, and most of them are Hannidiots and Republics.

In BOTH cases, it was necessary, as unpleansant as it was, to make those similar segments of these populations break down their wall of denial. And the only way is to make them LOOK at it, just the same way the Germans were made to LOOK at what they'd done.

Does that mean the atrocities are at the same levels or any comparison is being made to the LEVEL of "evil", which the nazis win, hands down?

Of course not, but to deny the VERY close similary to the mentality/psychology of these two situations, or denying the ever-growing-closer psychological similarity of the 30% of the Bushie segment of the population to the German Nazi population, seems like massive obtuseness.

No one is saying the LEVELS of evil are the same, not even close (Nazis win hands-down), but these situations are in the same "family" of events, related.

A couple things to read, if you are interested:

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/jaspers02.htm

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

Bushies are VERY mentally similar, leaders and followers both, to the Germans and the Nazis.

So it remains relevant, even if you don't like it. And, of course, Prescott Bush actually WAS very close to the Nazis, that is an historical FACT.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

[G_j]

36. GD Nazis, that is...

:think:

[FiveGoodMen]

2. Yes. Just move on. I don't think Fascists will ever try to cause trouble in the future anyway.

[scentopine]

5. LOL! That about sums it up...

[FrenchieCat]

3. We are not hiding the fact that we started a war with another country,

based on reasons that made no sense.

This government is not hiding the fact that we tortured....
But I ask what is your definition of "Justice"?
How does flashing hundreds of graphic photos of US Soldiers humiliating Muslims
make you feel that Justice has won? and are you certain that Muslims would find these photos
liberating?

The question is whether we need a billboard showing what
much of the world has already seen,
and what the world already knows.

The first photos published by the germans as to what had been done in their name
were published when? Do you know?

[scentopine]

4. yes - admission and evidence is first step to justice

We are in need of constant and contemporary reminders of the brutal consequences of unchecked power. This isn't about Muslims, this is about human dignity and lawful government for human beings regardless of political or religious faith. Let the truth be known in spite of the "embarrassment". Until we examine and document the root causes of this horror, we are damned to repeat it. CIA has been given a bail-out. I believe people are strong enough to handle the truth and done in the right way it would help heal and stop the tidal wave of cynicism threatening to overcome the democratic party voters.

[Senator]

12. We don't know what "we're hiding."

That's the trouble with hiding things.

Nor do we know what we're hiding from -- outside of the usual "sky is falling" euphemisms from the beltway.

We do know that hiding is a bad habit -- that can become an obsession. And that we were promised "transparency" instead.

The question is why we need to hide anything at all -- from anybody -- most importantly, from ourselves.

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[defendandprotect]

22. German photos and films were seen immediately . . and have continued to be

seen . . . because of their importance in instructing citizens and because of

concerns for the future. To awaken us all as to the possibilities of human

inhumanity!!!

If, as you say, "much of the world has already seen - and what much of the world already knows" --

why are we so fragile and so in need of protection --

ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS OUR GOVERNMENT WHICH REINED THIS TERROR ON OTHER NATIONS???

Eisenhowever, also ensured that German citizens were immediately marched thru the

concentration camps.



And, further, Americans have been propagandized for so long about our superior moral

character, our lack of imperialistic urges, our wonderful system of capitalism which we

are taught is synonymous with democracy -- that the American people need to be shocked

in the right direction -- TO FULLY AWAKENING!!!

[cali]

6. Germany didn't release holocaust and other atrocities photos

the allies did.

[scentopine]

9. At first, however they are acknowledged and archived and public by German govt.

I want to make that clear. My point is that should they consider them secret after the fact? What if a new German govt. was elected and decided that it damaged Germany's reputation?

Many torture photos were first leaked outside US govt. The total should be released, publicly available and placed in archive. The events should captured in History books for schools and part of lesson on power and abuse.

By releasing these photos we will grow stronger and lead. Hiding them is just protecting the guilty and a wink and nod to the CIA.

[cali]

13. sure, years later. it's just a lousy comparison, no matter how you try and

present it. and yes, I agree the photos should be released. but I wish people would dwell in reality. there's zero guarantee that we'll grow stronger and lead if they're released.

[defendandprotect]

24. In fact, the first tactic of our government/military was DENIAL . . .

Not being able to get away with that because of photo whistleblowers ....

they moved on to "a few bad apples" and "just hazing type roughhousing"!!!

[cali]

8. btw, do you consider France and Spain doomed?

[customerserviceguy]

10. One big difference here

In the first three examples you cite, one side totally and utterly defeated the other side in war. That's what victors do, rub the noses of the people they conquered in their excrement.

We didn't have quite the same thing here. We had an election, not a war, and while one side is relatively dominant, it was not the complete and total takeover of the government that happens after a military occupier sets up a friendly government to punish members of the old regime.

That's why I've long insisted that President Obama and AG Holder are way too smart to conduct some sort of trials of the previous Administration. It would look too much like gloating after the end of a war, and the American people don't have the stomach for it.

[scentopine]

11. you've gotten your wish

There is plenty of evidence of improper conduct by government and civilians that is worthy of investigation and prosecution on the cold hard facts of illegality. This isn't gloating and one can always find differences of magnitude between examples. We've spent trillions on war, some cash should be set aside for investigation.

My point is that the truth and concept that all people are equal under the law is being causally tossed aside based on academic speculation that it might be unpleasant for us. There needs to be clear disincentive for bad behavior and without justice history will repeat itself.

I don't think holocaust photos are disrespectful of Jews. I think they (torture photos) cause political problems for CIA. We might start demanding oversight and accountability for the billions we pump into that organization. But instead, CIA is treated like Wall Street, too big to fail and an entity so key to our nations survival that they are 100% immune from justice.

There has been enough amnesty. It is wearing out Obama's welcome.

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[customerserviceguy]

23. It's not my "wish"

but I can clearly see it as a political reality. The mushy middle doesn't like anything that distracts them from "American Idol" and "Dancing with the Stars". The Rethuglicans didn't realize how much they were overreaching with the impeachment of Bill Clinton, and while it didn't cost them the White House in 2000, it did seriously erode the power base that they had spent about five years building since the 1994 elections.

If somebody set up a reliable poll with a variety of responses to this situation, neither extreme ("It is all torture, and everyone from the lowliest soldier to ex-President Bush should be tried and punished for it," on one hand, and "There wasn't enough torture done to the terrorists for my liking," on the other end of the spectrum), you'd find the greatest number of respondents favoring the most middle-ground of the alternatives. It would probably read something like, "We probably shouldn't have used the enhanced interrogation techniques, and I'm glad they're officially over with, let's just move forward from here, I really am tired of reading about it."

That is the political reality that President Obama finds himself in. He is willing to let history be the judges of the previous administration, and he knows that books are eventually going to leak out describing the excesses of the last decade.

I find that there are people like yourself who seem to think that a "clear disincentive for bad behavior" will act as a deterrent. It never has, and never will, even if some soldier is reluctant in the future to use interrogation methods that might be torture, he will be eagerly replaced by a dozen soldiers willing to do it instead.

I guarantee that history will repeat itself. People in any authoritarian institution, be it an army or a police force, will do what they are told to do, and what they think they can get away with. They calcualate the chances of victory in their assessment of whether to follow orders or what they think will happen to them if they step outside of the official bounds. Most members of a force that expects to dominate a situation in the end will do whatever it takes to produce their share of the credit for that victory.

[scentopine]

35. The rule of law isn't perfect, but it works more often than not

as a disincentive to those with uncalibrated moral compass. It is not normal or acceptable to torture. Period. As a former government expert interrogator said this week during a hearing about the ineffectiveness of torture, "it is easier to hit people than it is to out-smart them". Torture is not a political reality. It has no place in a functional society. It needs to be exposed and publicly reviled. The reality is the world isn't perfect, exceptions occur. But this was way over the line and became institutionalized by a government who went morally bankrupt and Obama is even bailing these guys out. This isn't brave, it is cynical.

We are a government of the people not of an authoritarian dictator and I have to believe that the vast majority understand that treating anyone in this way is a crime against humanity. The "authorities" answer to us in theory and in law. I am demanding answers. We cannot become so jaded that we take people, put them in secret prisons, anal rape them with chemical lights and broom sticks, per some accounts, and then step back and say - that's reality.

No, that is a crime and it should be investigated and the guilty punished. No matter how you try to dismiss it with "business as usual" there needs to be exposure and rule of law applied. This isn't unrealistic, it is embedded in the core principals of our nation. Laws don't stop bad behavior, but they provide disincentive (I'd love to drive 100 MPH sometimes, for example). And the analogies, while less than perfect are just as worthy in a cool acceptance of the reality of torture.

We get along in this world with diplomacy and general agreement about civil behavior. Torture is one of those things that breaks down any civil society.

[flyarm]

17. no one won Vietnam..but this picture changed a nation..ours during the war!!

http://photosthatchangedtheworld.com/napalm-girl/

[customerserviceguy]

25. Well, that's not the way I remember it

as I recall, the North Vietnamese simply outlasted us, and they won the war.

That picture pretty much guaranteed that it would take another twenty years before America was willing to go to war in the Persian Gulf. We knocked Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait, and did not stick around for an occupation of Iraq, so that set the stage for Junior to make the American people think we could get away with it a dozen years later when he wanted to score the knockout punch.

[defendandprotect]

37. We killed more than 4 million Vietnamese .... and they DEFEATED us . . .!!!

You can placate your ego by suggesting they "outlasted" us ...

but they defeated us and everyone knows that.

We should never have been in Vietnam -- we were there to steal their resources --

as we have stolen from so many before!!!

Start with this land we live on -- !!!

[ManiacJoe]

38. Well, that is one version of history....

:popcorn:

[defendandprotect]

41. What "version" have you heard . . . ???

:popcorn:

[defendandprotect]

31. If the American public aren't interest in truth and justice . . .

one day they will have a shocking awakening --

For quite some time now we've known what certain elements in our goverment/CIA have

been doing all over the world post-WWII. It can't be denied that we've behaved like

Nazis. Bushco wasn't the beginning of this behavior -- it was the adding of the final

pieces -- i.e., TORTURE -- and pre-emptive war.

Which, actually, turned out to not even be "pre-emptive."

But -- ALL of it ILLEGAL.

[scentopine]

14. Maybe we should have kept these photos secret too

https://www.thoughtequity.com/video/clip/5110171AA3020_027.do

They will make us look bad to the rest of the world. If we release them it will just be offensive to black people all over the world. What good can come of it. Police, firemen, local govt. lynch mobs were just following orders.

I remember watching this on TV and much worse things, like it was yesterday. Thank god it was exposed. The resistance to the civil rights movement caused lasting damage and led to a legacy of problems. People wanted basic human rights and we as a nation fought hard against it. While it was eventually solved, we paid a heavy price for years of neglect. Being in Philadelphia things were bad but could have been worse.

There are wrongs that transcend politics and they must be made right or they will eventually explode into something much much worse.

[defendandprotect]

32. Great point . . . and as I understand it . . .

many of the photos from that time were not permitted to be released --- !!!

The photographers persisted nonetheless.

[flyarm]

15. Don't you know , we can't have history judge us!! You forgot My Lai and don't forget

the children running down the road we saw during the Vietnam war that had their skin dripping off them with napalm!!
http://photosthatchangedtheworld.com/napalm-girl/

now Obama is following up Bush with threats to Britian to keep their mouths shut on our war crimes!!

And they are ours..because they were done in all our names!With our employees and with our tax dollars!!

Obama Justice Dept. Again Warns Britain Not to Reveal Details of Torture of Gitmo Detainee


May 14, 2009

LONDON — Renewing a warning given to Britain while President George W. Bush was in office, the Obama administration has threatened to curb the exchange of intelligence information between the countries if a British court makes public the details of the interrogation techniques used against a former Guantánamo Bay detainee who claims he was tortured.

In a letter forwarded to the High Court in London by British government lawyers this month, the Obama administration said the flow of information could be affected if the court made public a summary prepared by the Bush administration for Britain’s Foreign Office on the treatment of the former detainee, Binyam Mohamed. Mr. Mohamed, 30, a citizen of Ethiopia who was arrested as a suspected terrorist in Pakistan in 2002, was released from Guantánamo and flown to Britain three months ago.

{snip}

Lawyers involved in the court case are bound by a court order not to disclose the contents of crucial documents, including the letter threatening curbs on intelligence cooperation, at least until the judges decide whether to order the publication of the summary of Mr. Mohamed’s treatment. That decision is expected within weeks. But the lawyers confirmed the accuracy of the quotations from the letter that appeared in The Washington Times.

The letter warned that if the British government “is unable to protect information we provide to it, even if that inability is caused by your judicial system, we will necessarily have to review with the greatest care the sensitivity of information we can provide in the future.”

The letter also said the “seven paragraphs at issue are based upon classified information shared between our countries,” and that “public disclosure of this information reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the United Kingdom’s national security” if the United States withheld intelligence information in the future.


read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/world/europe/15britai ...

[defendandprotect]

34. it's shameful .... and we Americans had best get busier on all of this -- !!!

[ControlledDemolition]

39. Don't forget 'Tiger Force', Óperation Phoenix', 'MKULTRA', and the list goes on. n/t

[elocs]

16. Wow, another clever analogy about the photos. I've only seen a hundred or so

and they all think they've made the point like nobody else. I think we get the point, but it would be nice to at least see something new and original.

[flyarm]

19. well this picture helped stop a fucking war is that good enough for you ??

http://photosthatchangedtheworld.com/napalm-girl/

oh and i remember watching it on TV at dinner time when i was a young woman!..I rmeember seeing lots of pictures when i was eating dinner about the Vietnam War and the atrocities..like the burned out Villiage of My Lai! And watching Lieutenant Cally getting arrested.
I remember my mother crying at what he had done..and i specifically remember my Dad , a war vet crying with his head in his hands..sobbing. And i remember him telling us ..US Soldiers don't do this and that Cally should hang, and everyone involved should be prosecuted and go to prison for life.

Then my dad proceeded to tell us what was done to American soldiers during WWII that he saw in the Pacific, Horrific crimes against humanity that he saw as a 17 yr old and 18 year old..that only other sick countries did that "shit", not Americans! He said we had a stronger Moral Compass..and i always use those words today..because he ingrained me with that!

I am sort of happy he can not see the excuses here today, for these crimes against humaity done by Americans!.The blatant excuses for these crimes is a disgrace to all of us and all who have worn the uniform of this country and conformed to the US MIlitary Code of Conduct!

[scentopine]

20. LOL! In the era of Grand Theft Auto and Saw, torture is so.... yawn...

let's talk about the new puppy in the white house!

[Deja Q]

18. Before or after 1945?

[scentopine]

27. after

I didn't mean to imply that they released photos during social democratic party rule. I'm just saying releasing the photos chronicled a decent into hell that where mankind, in a mass delusional state of righteousness, is capable of unspeakable horrors. There is extraordinary power in these images. And it isn't a death sentence for a nation.

We must have really, really fked up bad. CIA should have their budget chopped.

Since we seem to only discuss the potential negative political consequences for his holiness Obama regarding the photos - then maybe consider that the behavior over last few months is actually helping republicans since there is less distinction between the parties.

When mid-terms come around, people will be comfortable voting republican. Democrats won't vote. That pattern will return. We won't lose everything but it will make a difference. He is cashing in his supporters for short term political capital with CIA and DoD and Wall Street. Once he gets in over his head, he won't be able to get out. He isn't the chess master, he's being played like a pawn.

[defendandprotect]

21. No . . . but also notice how easily the comparions come to Nazi Germany these days!!!

[flyarm]

26. Torture is torture no matter where or when it occurs..it is illegal as are crimes against humanity.

i wouldn't want to describe the pictures my dad had from WWII that showed American soldiers heads..in ways that would make any human puke.

The crimes committed by the Nazi's were horrific..

the crimes now committed by our government are equally horrific because they are crimes against humanity and they are illegal.

The crimes against the cambodians by our government were horrific

the crimes against our soldiers in Vietnam were horrific

The crimes in My Lai were horrific

Dropping Napalm in Vietnam was horrific

All war is horrific..but to deliberately commit crimes against humanity and torture that is illegal and part of our laws..is inexcusable. There is no justification and we know that through the Nuremberg trials.There are no justifications whatsoever for war crimes, Or crimes against humanity. end of story.


Seems some people around here forget what we already do know..and it seems little Lindsey forgets what he has said as well..but just as a reminder..some of the prisoners in our captivity have died and their autopsy has declared by our own military examiners..they died of Homicide..

for a little look back in the time capsule..this is what little Lindsey GOP ass kiss punk.. said after seeing some of the tapes and photos ..since some around here and American's in gerneral have such a short fucking memory ..let me remind you.........

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters, "The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience." He did not elaborate.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/08/iraq/main6163...

That is why the Nazi's are brought up so often..because it is through history we learn ...or we fucking well should!

[defendandprotect]

29. In case you didn't understand, I was AGREEING with the comparisons!!!!

And, further, I would add to your list the Atomic Bombs dropped on Japan!!!

If someone does this to us one day, what can we say?


Remember, too, that Nixon wanted to drop nuclear weapons on Vietnam -- !!!

Wanted Kissinger "to think big, Henry!"

Amazingly, Kissinger told him it was a step too far!

[flyarm]

30. Yes i thought of that after i posted..thanks..

I was using your post to educate those too young to know ..that is all , i thank you for your post!!

Yes Kissinger who was nicknamed "the butcher of Cambodia"

and funny you mention Kissinger,, you know shortly after Obama took office he sent Kissinger to Russia to represent this new administration..i posted of this often when it was going on..

just a little FYI ..

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Kissinger

Kissinger..shortly after Obama took office , KISSINGER WAS SENT TO RUSSIA BY OBAMA TO REPRESENT HIS ADMINISTRATION..


lets take a simple look at Geithner and Summers shall we?????



Remarks by National Security Adviser Jones at 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy

Published February 8, 2009
Speaker: James L. Jones


U.S. National Security Adviser Jones ( edit to add: new advisor hired by Obama!!!!) gave these remarks at the 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy at the Hotel Bayerischer Hof on February 8, 2009.

"Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday. Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through General Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today.


Source: http://www.cfr.org/publication/18515/remar ... ...

Now if that doesn't scare the ever loving crap out of you and if you are really a democrat with democratic values it damn well should scare the ever loving crap out of you!!!!!!!!!!
Remember Kissinger worked for NIXON,FORD,REAGAN,GHBUSH AND HE WAS ALMOST DAILY IN GWBUSH'S WHITE HOUSE GIVING ADVICE ON THE IRAQ WAR..

FOR THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO KNOW LITTLE ABOUT KISSINGER..PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO EDCUATE YOURSELF ON HIM..HIS NICKNAME IS.."THE BUTCHER OF CAMBODIA"..JUST FOR STARTERS!!

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Geithner..who worked for Kissinger and the CFR

Geithner..who's papa Peter F.Geithner was with the Ford Foundation and Obama's mom just happened to work with him!!

Any wonder why the GM CEO was made to step down..the very day that Ford announced it was opening a plant in Mexico..the znnouncement took place at the Pres of Mexico's palace..and do not miss the very fact that the CEO of Ford said : Mr Mullaly said: "We are convinced the geographic location as well as Mexico's highly qualified labour force and economic stability make this decision the right one for our business."

That would be 4,500 jobs Americans will not get!!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/742895 ...


Peter F. Geithner, is the director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation in New York. During the early 1980s, Peter Geithner oversaw the Ford Foundation's microfinance programs in Indonesia being developed by S. Ann Dunham-Soetoro, President Barack Obama's mother, and they met in person at least once

Geithner's maternal grandfather, Charles F. Moore, was an adviser to President Dwight D. Eisenhower and served as a vice president of Ford Motor Company.


Posted by flyarm in General Discussion
Tue Mar 31st 2009, 03:37 PM
ahhh this ought to warm a few of the hearts of US Union workers!!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/742895 ...

Ford to open new plant in Mexico


US giant Ford is to invest $3bn (£1.5bn) in a new car plant in Mexico, the biggest investment in the country's manufacturing sector.

The move is a blow to American car workers who had hoped the factory would be built in the United States.

Ford has lost more than $15bn (£7.5bn) over the past two years and says the new facility is crucial to its future.

Mexican President Felipe Calderon hailed the announcement as a "turning point" for his country.

The new factory, and other changes to Ford's Mexican operations, are likely to create an estimated 4,500 jobs in Mexico, where car workers earn substantially less than their American counterparts.

Mr Calderon made the announcement with Ford president Alan Mullaly at the presidential compound in Mexico City on Friday. "We want Mexico to be an automotive country, one that is competitive and with the most advantages so that the worldwide automotive industry will establish itself here," Mr Calderon said.

Mr Mullaly said: "We are convinced the geographic location as well as Mexico's highly qualified labour force and economic stability make this decision the right one for our business."

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edit to add ...Bet those last lines were made to just give warm fuzzies to American auto workers..but just ignore that ...what do we all care about American workers, when we are all getting that lovely $17 dollar tax break a month!!
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

TIMOTHY GEITHNER

Biography

Early life and education
Geithner was born in Brooklyn, New York.<2> He spent most of his childhood living outside the United States, including present-day Zimbabwe, Zambia, India and Thailand, where he completed high school at International School Bangkok.<3> He then attended Dartmouth College, graduating with a B.A. in government and Asian studies in 1983.<4> He earned an M.A. in international economics and East Asian studies from Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies in 1985.<4><5> He has studied Chinese<4> and Japanese.<6>

Geithner's paternal grandfather, Paul Herman Geithner (1902–1972), emigrated with his parents from the German town of Zeulenroda to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1908.<7> His father, Peter F. Geithner, is the director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation in New York. During the early 1980s, Peter Geithner oversaw the Ford Foundation's microfinance programs in Indonesia being developed by S. Ann Dunham-Soetoro, President Barack Obama's mother, and they met in person at least once.<8> Timothy Geithner's mother, Deborah Moore Geithner, is a pianist and piano teacher in Larchmont, New York where his parents currently reside. Geithner's maternal grandfather, Charles F. Moore, was an adviser to President Dwight D. Eisenhower and served as a vice president of Ford Motor Company.

Early career

After completing his studies, Geithner worked for Kissinger and Associates in Washington, D.C., for three years and then joined the International Affairs division of the U.S. Treasury Department in 1988. He went on to serve as an attaché at the US Embassy in Tokyo. He was deputy assistant secretary for international monetary and financial policy (1995–1996), senior deputy assistant secretary for international affairs (1996-1997), assistant secretary for international affairs (1997–1998).<5>

He was Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs (1998–2001) under Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers.<5> Summers was his mentor,<10><11> but other sources call him a Rubin protégé.<11><12><13>

In 2002 he left the Treasury to join the Council on Foreign Relations as a Senior Fellow in the International Economics department.<14> He was director of the Policy Development and Review Department (2001-2003) at the International Monetary Fund.<5>
In October 2003, he was named president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.<15> His salary in 2007 was $398,200.<16> Once at the New York Fed, he became Vice Chairman of the Federal Open Market Committee component. In 2006, he also became a member of the Washington-based financial advisory body, the Group of Thirty.<17>

[ControlledDemolition]

40. 'Operation Paperclip' helps explain why this is so. n/t

[defendandprotect]

28. Certainly the most symbolic behavior of Nazis was TORTURE . . .

the violence which kept control over their own population and those

they attacked!!!

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