Pelosi-gate

[babylonsister]

http://www.anonymousliberal.com/2009/05/pelosi-gate.html

Pelosi-gate


Pelosi-gate, in a nutshell: What did one member of the minority party know about the majority party's illegal war crimes and when did she know it?

This has to be the stupidest "angle" I've ever seen to coverage of a major scandal. Are reporters really this dumb and gullible? To the extent Nancy Pelosi knew about the Bush administration's torture program and didn't raise objections, she deserves to be criticized. But there's a HUGE difference between ordering the commission of war crimes and simply being on notice that they may be occurring. On the list of culpable actors, of which there are many, the people who lacked the courage to protest are far down the list, particularly those like Nancy Pelosi who had no real say in what was going on (remember she was the minority leader; the Bush administration did not care what she thought about anything).

Finally, and this is worth emphasizing, Pelosi herself is calling for the creation of a Truth Commission, which presumably would explore what everyone knew and when. The level of hypocrisy and incoherence it takes for Republicans to point to Pelosi as being some sort of key figure in this scandal is astounding. And the fact that the press corps would latch on to this rather ridiculous diversion is telling.

[kentuck]

1. The press corps knows exactly what they are doing...

They are playing the foil for the Republican Party. If indeed, Pelosi knew that crimes were committed, then perhaps the press can tell us what those crimes were?? Or what is the purpose of this little game they are playing??

[Egalitariat]

2. It's only about exposing hypocrisy, as if that is so hard...

every big-time politician is a hypocrit -- and probably in a huge way. Big deal. It's part of the game. There's nothing to see here; it'll all blow over soon enough.

[spanone]

3. it's so fucking absurd. it only proves how the media is completely in their pockets

[babylonsister]

4. You're right. And how do we change that?

I don't know.

[enough already]

5. I want everyone that knew about this and did nothing gone forever.

If that includes Pelosi and any other (so-called) Democrats then so be it. Everyone who kept their mouths shut is complicit in these atrocities. Frog march her out of the Capitol and send her to the Hague with the rest of them.

[babylonsister]

6. No one squealed, Dems or rethugs. Those were the rules.

The rules need changing. Federal agencies need to be accountable to someone who can monitor them and call them on their b.s.

[enough already]

10. I expect a hell of a lot more from Democrats than I do the pukes

I KNOW the pukes want to torture people. I don't expect them to argue against human atrocities, I expect them to be perpetrating them. There's no reason to excuse (supposedly) our own for sitting back and supporting war crimes. And don't tell me she couldn't speak out because of 'rules'. Torture is against the fucking law. The 'rules' don't demand that anyone be an accomplice to war crimes. This is black and white. If Pelosi knew about this and said nothing then she needs to be prosecuted right alongside Bush, Cheney and the rest of the pukes.

[RandomThoughts]

7. Well there is a purpose to everything.

The media is doing the same thing to itself, that Cheney is doing to himself.

I sort of think of it this way. The only real destruction is self destruction, since all things seem to be consequences of ones own actions.

[javelin]

8. I would like to see Pelosi replaced.

She was in favor of the Republican Henry Paulson stealing one trillion dollars of TARP money from poor, hungry, and homeless taxpayers and give it to AIG and Bank of America. None of the politicians are looking out for the American public, Democrat or Republican.

[babylonsister]

9. Who hired Paulson?

Not Pelosi. You'd do well to figure that out first.

[RandomThoughts]

11. With a Republican actually calling his wife and telling her to make a run on the bank

And it not being released to the news, so it was not a stunt. With that being the frame of mind of a Republican, then we can guess they were told without Tarp the banking system would disappear.

Now you can argue if Paulson data on complete meltdown was real.

You can argue if it was a set up or blackmail

And you can even say they should have let it melt down.

But it is hard for me to blame the politicians for not going the 'clean slate' route with a rebuild, few people can handle that in the moment, even though it can come out better in the long run. Really hard to blame them on that one, takes alot of vision to accept a complete melt down to repair something.

I am waiting to see if they reestablish regulations and break up the monopolies or too big to fail situation. Even if it is just to remove the ability for one institution to make billions by controlling the market or sinking another institution, just to make more money.

[KharmaTrain]

12. Putting Democrats "In Their Place"

A lot of this is the corporate media trying to show President Obama and the rest of us whose boss. Many feel THEY are responsible for the Democrats gaining control and need to take a popular President down a notch to help maintain the confrontational games that gridlock government, but make for great teevee ratings. No one wants to see a debate about healhcare where everyone agrees...they want blood...and the more they can skew public opinion that there's a real "confrontation", the more they profit.

Thus, Sis, we get "balance" which means that despite Democrat or liberal or progressive positions having 65% or higher approval, opponents still get 50% of the time to spew their propaganda...and they make the most of it.

The attempted railroading of Speaker Pelosi is a classic example. Since rushpublicans have seen some discontent with the Speaker on this side, they've been looking for a chance to drive a wedge (remember that word???)...put her on the defensive within her own party and hope that "reins in" her power. If she were really the toadie many of her detractors here believe, she wouldn't be their target (you don't go after someone whose in your pocket)...they go right at the "strength" and try to weaken it.

Then there was the faux protests at Notre Dame...all orchestrated by the fundies and their "think tanks" and propaganda network. A right wing Catholic Radio network spent months drumming up this dead horse and then passing it onto the corporate media as some kind of "groundswell". I'll bet we can cite polls galore not only showing a solid majority favoring a woman's right to choose, but how of little relevance it has in today's political debate. It was only on the "radar" because some very well connected and organized astroturfers and a media dying to avoid of being labeled "liberal" and how to milk some very badly needed viewers, ratings and revenue from creating "controversies" where none really exist.

:hi:

[mmonk]

13. And when she bacame majority leader, she still did nothing.

Though this is a Republican and lap dog press misdirection, she owns part of her fate because she didn't want to rock the boat and worried most about her legacy as the first female speaker. She had plenty of fellow cowards in our party and they are still there. The Democratic party is a weak party lacking either in leadership skills or moral fortitude when faced with an evil opponent.