Who should be on the Commission to investigate the torture questions?

[kentuck]

And how many should be on it?

I think it should be 5 people. With 3 people on a commission, it would be much easier to manipulate if one person had that intent?

Is Warren Rudman still alive? He's the first person they look for when they need a whitewash? I think maybe they could get a couple of those US Attorneys that were fired by Bush? That lady out in California and the guy from NM, maybe? Or would they be too partisan??

However, it is becoming more and more clear that we will need a Commission to investigate these charges? It cannot be done in the House or Senate. It is too partisan at this time. But, even Frank Rich, in tomorrow's NY Times is calling it a necessity.

I am hoping that this is the route that Nancy Pelosi takes. It's not really about who was sworn to secrecy, it's about who may have committed crimes, perhaps crimes against humanity?

[mth44sc]

1. Me

an X-cop who loves to follow the evidence where ever it might lead. No bullshit - no politics. Just the facts.

[Andy823]

2. I don' want a commission

Unless it's stated right off that "if" there is enough evidence of a crime, by anyone in congress all the way up the ladder to Bush and Cheney, those people "will" be prosecuted, or if any member of congress is found to have helped Bush out, no matter what party they are in, they would be asked to resign. I don't want a commission that has no power to take this to the courts if need be!

[RandomThoughts]

3. They should pick parents of soldiers that died in Iraq

especially if they are also investigating other issues of the Bush Administration.

[LiberalFighter]

4. How about which Democrats should not be on the commission?

I vote Lee Hamilton out. He did a piss poor job with the 9/11 Commission.

[kentuck]

5. I would rather see Gary Hart on the Commission

He's fair and he knows his Constitution.

[mth44sc]

6. I vote all the usual Washingon suspects out

period!

[Canuckistanian]

7. Just keep Lee Hamilton off of it

He's the CZAR of whitewashing.

[ControlledDemolition]

29. ... as is Arlen Specter. Let's make sure it is 'fair and balanced'. n/t

[babylonsister]

8. Pelosi is there. Don't let anyone tell you different...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5661403

The whole point of this storm about Pelosi is that her critics want her to be embarrassed and stop supporting a Truth Commission or any sort of examination of what happened. But she's not. She still says there should be an investigation. Her critics still want the book closed. That says it all. She'll have to stand or fall with the results of an actual investigation. Her opponents on this are simply risible hypocrites.

[kentuck]

11. Pelosi may just be pissed off enough to create this Commission...

and it cannot be a whitewash. We know that torture happened. We just don't know to what extent. How many died while being tortured? Who gave the orders? And the old saw, "Tell us that al Qaeda is connected to Saddam Hussein or we're gonna drown your sorry ass again..."

[rwheeler31]

9. 5 enlisted guys

one from each service.

[elleng]

10. Rudman is still alive.

So is Hagel. There are others, I'm sure.

I wonder how many 'commissions' or investigations of various kinds we'll end up wanting/needing. Seems that every day I/we think of one or more. Repugs are really falling apart, and we all could spend a lot of time and effort trying to pin everything down, for the good of the country.

torture - CIA - cheney - rummy - abrams
Pre 9/11; 9/11 > Iraq
Plame
U.S. Attorneys
etc

[mth44sc]

16. No way

Warren Rudman

Period!

I can't believe you guys just won't let em handle this.

Pisser :-)

[elleng]

20. Let 'em' who?

This is a discussion. What's your suggestion? Complaint?

[jaysunb]

12. Sandra Day O Conner

It's never too late for redemption.....

[kentuck]

13. And David Souter...

and/or Chuck Hagel. Those are three Repubs that could be acceptable.

[babylonsister]

17. Hagel is inspired! Good person there. And Chafee sound good. nt

[kentuck]

19. I had forgotten about Chaffee..

I think we can find some good Republicans.

[flyarm]

14. commission = white wash..always has been and always will be! eom

[babylonsister]

15. Wrong. Watergate. Nice try. nt

[ControlledDemolition]

27. Unfortunately there was a whole lot more to Watergate than ever came out.

E. Howard Hunt - one of the infamous plumbers - was up to his eyeballs in the demise of JFK.

[flyarm]

31. absolutely..why do people think the Watergate commission even came close to the truth?

It did not come close..not by a city mile! And because it didn't many of those criminals were back with both Bush Juntas!

Look the CIA was run by Poter Goss..who was involved with Barry Seal and Ferrie...and Hunt and the worst of the Black opps..and drug running...all the damn criminals! Many involved with the JFK murder!

[flyarm]

32. wrong ..more people got away with Watergate and then they came back on us..

with Both Bush's!

Please go read Barry and the Boys..by Daniel Hopsicker..and you will learn all about the criminals that walked from Watergate!! And the JFK murder!

[salguine]

18. You apparently think there'll be some kind of investigation. You're more optimistic than me!

[babylonsister]

21. Ha! No kidding! You and optimism?

:rofl:


:fistbump:

[RC]

22. Formally request the World Court to handle the torture investigation as

it is too close to home and too inflammatory for us, U.S. to do a reasonable job. Look at the way the 9/11 investigation was done. We do NOT want the same thing to happen to the Torture investigations. We need to get the guilty put away for a very long time or executed. They will not be going away on their own.

[kentuck]

24. Hmmmm..

That's an interesting idea. An international tribunal. The Hague is very good at this, I hear?

[TexasObserver]

23. Congressional investigation. Not a commission.

Commissions never do diddly. They're useless, except to provide cover.

[kentuck]

25. But how are you going to get a "congressional investigation"..

in this environment? It would be discredited every day by the Repubs and their friends in the media...

[TexasObserver]

30. Easy. Use the majorities we have in both houses.

The problem is the lack of leadership on this topic from Pelosi, Reid and Obama.

[babylonsister]

26. They have worked. I heard, during Watergate? Something else to

check out.

[TexasObserver]

28. Congressional inquiry and vigorous prosecution exploded Watergate.

[DU GrovelBot]

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