They lied about Torture, WMD, Iraq 9/11 connection, spying on American citizens,

[Hubert Flottz]

the recession/depression and hundreds of other things.

Why would the Bush gangsters tell the truth about Nancy? Why wouldn't they keep right on lying, like Cheney does every time he gets in front of a camera, to cover their asses and save their cowardly criminal hides?

Do you trust The Republicans? Do you trust the same CIA that gave Bush all the false/manufactured information that he demanded of them, in order to instigate a war of aggression against a country that posed little or no threat to America? If you committed war crimes wouldn't you lie to get out of paying for it?

[Ezlivin]

1. But they told the truth about the events of 9/11!

At least that's what the minders tell us in the DU Dungeon.

[Hubert Flottz]

3. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 or Bin Laden...

But Cheney tried to prove the PNAC's case for invading Iraq by using torture on unarmed prisoners of war, to get them to lie about the Iraqi 9/11 connection.

[Echo In Light]

5. If that's the M$M story being sold, the real truth is likely far worse

If you follow...

[Hubert Flottz]

8. We need to find out what the TRUTH is, wherever it leads us!

Or our country is nothing but a stinking, rotting, corpse of the once good thing that the founders envisioned.(To not look back and attempt to make right these terrible wrongs, is the kind of change that the terrorists who sat out to destroy the real America, can chalk up as a win.)(To not look back invites an even worse disaster ahead for the unsuspecting, innocent, generations to come in this country, IMHO.)

[BeFree]

13. Yeah

Who can be a true patriot if they don't strive to find out the truth?

To let it slide, or even worse, condone hiding the truth from the people is as un-patriotic as can be!!

[abluelady]

2. Forget Nancy's Truth's or Lies

If Nancy lied, why is that worse than Bush's lies? Nobody is talking about that? It is just another distraction the Republicans are putting out because they have nothing positive to offer.

[Hubert Flottz]

6. The only thing that I can remember Nancy "lying" about was...

the time, when she was explaining why impeachment was "Off The Table" that she said Bush and the Bush family were "Good People"...and maybe she believed that bullshit back then, even after all she'd seen? I'll bet she don't believe that "Good People" crap anymore.

[abluelady]

39. The Reality is Nancy Doesn't Have to Lie

As was posted, their "message" is she lied. We have to focus on their messages, which are more distractions than anything else. Our message needs to be more focused.

[azul]

27. And they control the message apparatus. nt

[abluelady]

38. Don't We Know It. eom

[bdamomma]

43. the repigs have nothing but putting blame on someone else.

one thing should be apparent: some sort of investigation or special prosecutor must be appointed. All this back and forth crap is not the way of finding out the truth.

[smirkymonkey]

45. Thank YOU!

It's about time someone said it. I'm not saying she's right, but I think she's getting a lot more shit than she deserves. The circumstances around how and what she found out put her between a rock and a hard place. I don't think she had many favorable options at the time.

Why aren't we more focused on prosecuting the BUSH ADMINSTRATION for torture. This whole Pelosi thing is a big red herring. I'm tired of hearing about her, I want to see the Republicans who actually perpetrated this clusterf**ck in prison for life.

[L. Coyote]

4. Anyone who thinks Bush LIED, LIED, LIED, but told Pelosi the truth is a frikkin' idiot!

I can't repeat this line enough.

What is impressive is their concerted effort,
including launching a new troll attack here.

Why are they sweating bullets about the torture and murder war crimes?
Because it reaches Bush and Cheney, and there is no way left to hang little guys!

[Hubert Flottz]

7. My point exactly...

"Anyone who thinks Bush LIED, LIED, LIED, but told Pelosi the truth is a frikkin' idiot!"

Anyone who STILL believes ANYTHING the GOP is saying is a total nut case. Anyone who ever believed them was a damned fool.

[L. Coyote]

9. Will Porter Goss be prosecuted for lying to Congress? Let's turn up that heat!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5671623

Never mind his participation in Latin American Death Squads ....

"We don't torture"

On March 18, 2005, Reuters reported that Porter Goss "defended his spy agency's current interrogation practices but could not say all methods used as recently as last December conformed to U.S. law.

"U.S. officials do not view torture as a method for gaining vital intelligence, Goss said. But he acknowledged some CIA operatives may have been uncertain about approved interrogation techniques in the past."

Goss told the Senate Armed Services Committee "'The United States does not engage in or condone torture, ... I know for a fact that torture is not productive. That's not professional interrogation. We don't torture.'"

[Hubert Flottz]

10. Why in the hell should anyone in the CIA be "ABOVE THE LAW"

are they better that you and me? Was Abe Lincoln wrong?

[L. Coyote]

11. KnR. Who to believe? Porter Goss and Operation 40

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/lofiversion/index.php/t1449.html

[Hubert Flottz]

12. Trust in government is all but extinct in America...

The terrorists from within are always at work too. Shocking how the neocons used the 9/11 attack to terrorize America into almost becoming a full fledged dictatorship. Look at what the NeoCons and the PNAC/OSP operatives did after 9/11 and then look at the definition of terrorism...

terrorism –noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

***********************

"1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes." Bush and Cheney demanded that congress grant them sweeping new power, which they abused, demanded that congress pass the patriot acts I and II
"2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization." The system of checks and balances was neutralized by threats, political intimidation and false terror alerts.

"3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government." The GOP and Dick Cheney are still on FOX every day trying to scare people into doing what best serves Cheney and the neocons. They should support the duly elected president of the United states, but they are on TV 24/7 trying to undermine everything he does, even though the country is at war.

[opihimoimoi]

14. K&R to a wonderful thread and Friend...Ya said it all my friend, ya said it all

They use the Law for Self Protection and Yet FLAUNT the Law whenever they choose to for their own self interests...

The GOP BULLIES are EVIL ASSHOLES who think nothing of Killing much less Torture...they are a deep rooted CANCER to our Culture.

They exhibit many many signs of NPD...narssist personality Disorder....Willingness to Lie Cheat Steal among the traits they display as a minimum...

These sick peeps relish pain on others....Bullies Target individuals in the work place...they make snide remarks, etc to ruin others who cross their paths...

Bullies scam, con others with charm and charisma only to gain recognition....they come to Fool so as to ROOL

Bless your Heart old Friend...you say it all too well

PURGE THE GOP CANCER and YOU PURGE EVIL TOO

YOU GO BROTHER HUBERT...kick their ASSES for me....you being across the pond and all....

[Hubert Flottz]

15. The MSM is all in a tizzy, sweating because they are afraid

that the GOP is crumbling into nothingness...Afraid that there might not be a GOP in the years ahead. I think the GOP has brought it all on themselves. They are nothing but a bunch of cowardly, greedy, sadistic, loud mouthed, assholes and it's their turn in the barrel. The bully boys have loved dishing it out all these years, but they cry like little whipped puppies when they get a little taste of their own meddies.

Criminals belong in jail or they go right on committing crimes the magnitude of which increases each time they get away with breaking the law. "Not looking back" at crimes would mean that nobody in jail in America today, belongs there.(or is jail just for poor people?) Do we turn all those murderers and rapists and robbers we have locked up today loose on society? HELL No! And for a damned good reason...hardened criminals are a threat to sicoiety...PERIOD! Lying to start wars, the Premeditated killing of thousands and TORTURE are crimes!

Payback is a bitch!

[opihimoimoi]

18. Them FAUX Channel fuckwads, Rush, Hannity, etc..in and out of the Closet CONSERVATIVES are in danger

should the GOP Experience a Mega Collapse....reduced to rubble...brick bats....long term consequences for ignoring the signs of

Growing ASTUTENESS LEVEL....Those that read, that think, etc, tend to vote Common Sense/Logic. They are becoming more and more aware of BS.

They KNOW by being better able vote using astuteness as a model....much better leadership results over the long haul...

[Hubert Flottz]

16. One more thought just struck me...

Maybe they should change the CIA's name, to the CYA?

[opihimoimoi]

17. CIA Panette has Time Frame Probs...he thinks its The Present 7 years ago

When Nancy was being briefed by CIA in 2002 Panetta was not the CEO

This furthers the rabid weasels from the PUT DOWN SQUAD to pile on with nit picking to death type rhetoric and BS.

The Present day CIA has no choice but to plead innocent.....we no longer torture sir....

[Hubert Flottz]

19. The CIA is infested with neocon sleeper cells, IMHO...

[opihimoimoi]

21. Mrau..message recieved & unnerstood...Its 1937 Germany. ;2001 Baghdad, spies everywhere

Triple Agent Dept....follow arrow to SECURE ENTRANCE....LEVEL 3 CLEARANCE REQUIRED

This is our Future...our choice...either good over evil or not....positive over negative?

Common sense dictates we choose whats best for the Human Race over all...This seems to be where Obama is headed for... we shall see.

[bdamomma]

44. I do not have too much faith in the CIA either, aren't they

the biggest terrrorist network?

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. I don't TRUST any of our leaders, regardless of letter behind their name

anybody who does that, is an idiot!

[opihimoimoi]

22. Opihi is series thinking of Opening Operating THE TRUST INSTITUTE

A Place to gain TRUST to better your lives, your employment, your people/crew, your friends/family/etc,

WE need to get TRUSTING CANDIDATES to choose from....

WE NEED A TRAINING SYSTEM to get TRUST LEVEL UP for the Masses by better candidates applying for the positions....

I hope this answers the solution of "HOW DO WE TRUST OUR LEADERS OF TOMORROW IF WE DON'T TRAIN THEM?"

[Hubert Flottz]

29. Our "Leaders" haven't done a lot of trust earning lately...

They promise you anything to get the job, but once election day is over, the lobbyists own and operate MOST of them.

Take the credit card vote just the other day for example...the banks won...the voters lost. Happens ALL the time.

If you lied to an employer the way the politicians lie to the voters, you wouldn't last one day on the job.

Maybe we should all follow their example and lie about everything too? Maybe our kids should start lying like Cheney or Bush or Tony Blair or the CIA people who sold us that war in Iraq? What if your kids decided it's okay to torture the dog or the cat or the little fat kid down the street?

[Gregorian]

23. And we know they revealed the name of a covert CIA agent working against their interests.

That was treasonous.

What a sick joke.

[opihimoimoi]

24. They forgot what they were doing when dallying back and forth with the LAW

The GOP Dalliers have Tongueinitus.....Tongues caught on a SPIKE (OUCH).....silence of the Lambs cept for the screamer division

From Lipper to ZIPPER...W Bush is sewed his mouth into position of pain....He cannot express his thoughts accruately without his Ear Dept going off.

If they can Kan a Pretty Woman...what chance do we normal guys face? ZERO

[Gregorian]

25. Haha!

It is so ironic. Yes, Cheney went from zipper lips to nonstop backpedal mode.

Man, we have got to see some reality here. It still feels like December 2000. The never ending spin cycle.

My sense of thing is that Obama has just warmed up his engine. He's idling it and getting ready for an open throttle run. Maybe I'm a fool. I don't think so.

[opihimoimoi]

26. Rope A GOP??? I can go w dat...Obama got WIT.....Pubs got SPIT

[Hubert Flottz]

28. Pubs got SPIT

That's why they invented the extra huge sized Drool Cups...Spit and Sh!t is about all that's left of the GOP(Grungy Old Perverts!)

Bullies, Polluters, Bathroom Stall Invaders, Shirkers, Draft Dodgers, Tax Cheats, Thieves, Frauds, Liars, Whore Mongers, Torturers, Murderers, Toadies, Poo Mongers, Wife Beaters, Snake Handlers, Pill Poppers, Meth Snorters, Peeping Toms, Gangsters, War Criminals...that's one hell of a tent the GOP has!

[opihimoimoi]

32. Thats only half of it....the other half is EVIL BILE....NEWT and BONER should run for ASSHOLE CHAMP

[Gregorian]

34. Haha. I really can't top that!

You know, I've had a crappy day. And you guys have managed to make me laugh.

One hell of a tent. I'd give the snake handlers a break though. I'd say they're mostly benign.

Now I can see just how crucial it is to rise above the scum and make things laughable. I get so serious about it all, I just beat myself up.

But then when one has lived through the drug war, and sees Rove giving Congress the bird, and smiling away on FIXed Noise, it really makes it hard to laugh.

What we need is uniform justice. Ah hell, we're just a bunch of baboons. I saw a documentary tonight, and they are just brutal. It's comical to see how they run around ripping kids and women off. They avoid the men, and run around like simian gangsters. What makes humans think they're so special? Monkeys!

So thus ends another day. Thank you folks. May tomorrow bring indictments. :)

[Hubert Flottz]

36. The fact that we made you laugh or that we might have at

some other time, made you cry, demonstrates the power that we have here. The power to move people who we don't even know or that we have never seen, with our words. I believe that folks like you and me make a difference. I think that our endless hours of reading and reacting to what was being said and done over the past eight long years by Bush and the neocons kept a horrible situation from becoming far worse.

It is not lost on the politicians and the toady MSM, what a powerful new tool of enlightenment the internet has become. It is the politicians who, "Can't Handle The Truth"...Will we let them shut us up like they did in Red China? Not without one hell of a fight I imagine...

I'm glad we could make you smile awhile...a little sugar to make the bitter pills easier to tolerate :hi:

[opihimoimoi]

35. Indeed... a big tent for the GOPers

[Hubert Flottz]

37. If the GOPers like "Tents" and camping so damned well...

then the Army would be happy to provide them with lots of both...and even pay them for having all that fun.

That is if they don't all have them debilitating Ditto Boils on their debilitated Ditto Asses!

[opihimoimoi]

42. Zitt Ass would require he sleep with small men...like them boys from the slums

His Boils have traveled .... lottsa boils on his Brain...ya can see the smegma oozing from his Ears....

He needs to quit eating and do more swimming "Look at those cute Dolphins...Lets go pet them" Dum dum dum Duuum dum dum

[Hubert Flottz]

46. Zitt Ass and shit ass

that's the only two kinds left that admit they are republicks anymore. Asses every one!

23% still admit they are GOPers the rest are too ashamed or scared that they will be brought to justice for some dastardly crime.

My how the mighty have fallen!

[opihimoimoi]

47. Them Pubs have a shitty outlook on life....go ask Vitter and Larry

Them fucktards have no way to go cept downward...take a look at my emerging web site...

You can be a contributing member should I ever finish the damn thing.,...its still under construction...

http://svr19.sitecube.com/builder/users/opihi3/1205286/preview/index.html

[Hubert Flottz]

49. "emerging web site" is looking good so far.

The pubs have been on TV all day trying to cover George and Dick's war criminal asses. They must be plenty scared that the truth will spill out and the guilty will pay, for a change.

[Hubert Flottz]

50. BTW...have you checked out this website?

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/olc_memos.html

[opihimoimoi]

52. saved it...see the last post....LOL #51

[Hubert Flottz]

30. Anything the GOP does is good, anything any democrat does

is bad...that's the Ditto Party's story and bye Gawd they stick to it come what may! They are a two trick party...(smear and fear)

[opihimoimoi]

33. It ain't working so well these daze...the BS Spin Factor is in the toilet

[Wednesdays]

31. K&R

:kick:

[lunatica]

40. Damn! Those little inconvenient facts just won't stay forgotten!

[Hepburn]

41. Why in the hell are these assholes walking around freely?

They are criminals...and I see no valid explanation for the lack of prosecution.

[Hubert Flottz]

48. "Why in the hell are these assholes walking around freely?"

Jails are for the poor...the ones who can't afford the high dollar shyster lawyers, like the ones who legalized torture and murder for bush and cheney.

The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder

Vincent Bugliosi

The Legal Framework for the Prosecution

That the king can do no wrong is a necessary and fundamental principle of the English constitution. -Sir William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1765

No living Homo sapiens is above the law. -(Notwithstanding our good friends and legal ancestors across the water, this is a fact that requires no citation.)

With respect to the position I take about the crimes of George Bush, I want to state at the outset that my motivation is not political. Although I've been a longtime Democrat (primarily because, unless there is some very compelling reason to be otherwise, I am always for "the little guy"), my political orientation is not rigid. For instance, I supported John McCain's run for the presidency in 2000. More to the point, whether I'm giving a final summation to the jury or writing one of my true crime books, credibility has always meant everything to me. Therefore, my only master and my only mistress are the facts and objectivity. I have no others. This is why I can give you, the reader, a 100 percent guarantee that if a Democratic president had done what Bush did, I would be writing the same, identical piece you are about to read.

Perhaps the most amazing thing to me about the belief of many that George Bush lied to the American public in starting his war with Iraq is that the liberal columnists who have accused him of doing this merely make this point, and then go on to the next paragraph in their columns. Only very infrequently does a columnist add that because of it Bush should be impeached. If the charges are true, of course Bush should have been impeached, convicted, and removed from office. That's almost too self-evident to state. But he deserves much more than impeachment. I mean, in America, we apparently impeach presidents for having consensual sex outside of marriage and trying to cover it up. If we impeach presidents for that, then if the president takes the country to war on a lie where thousands of American soldiers die horrible, violent deaths and over 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, including women and children, even babies are killed, the punishment obviously has to be much, much more severe. That's just common sense. If Bush were impeached, convicted in the Senate, and removed from office, he'd still be a free man, still be able to wake up in the morning with his cup of coffee and freshly squeezed orange juice and read the morning paper, still travel widely and lead a life of privilege, still belong to his country club and get standing ovations whenever he chose to speak to the Republican faithful. This, for being responsible for over 100,000 horrible deaths?* For anyone interested in true justice, impeachment alone would be a joke for what Bush did. Read More...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vincent-bugliosi/the-prosecution-of-george_b_102427.html

[opihimoimoi]

51. Saved the site on mu desktop...thanks a lot....will review laters..atoday, atalog...

Cheers to a new DAY.....

[Supersedeas]

53. Why would Leon Koolaid Panetta flip so fast....