Over 4 Years ago I Said when Kerry won it would take 4 years

[Ichingcarpenter]

to clean out the neo-con fascist cabal of this government. I especially emphasized
The Justice Department, The Defense Department and the CIA plus all the other
agencies inflicted with this cancer. He lost and the next 4 years made it even more malignant further
effecting our so-called quasi private/governmental financial system which I also warned DUers about, let
alone what they did to our food and water. (Kerry did win BTW)

You know, when the allies won, they kept some low level Nazis in the new system who knew the ropes.
We however still some high level ones still in the machinery of Government.
Obama is still dealing with intrinsic power players still intrenched from the Bush cabal which is why
the 'hopes and dreams' of 'change' have been slower than what one would dream for. I do see change
but not revolutionary in the way it is needed because it was an election and not a revolution nor have
the allies 'taken Berlin'.

Obama has to walk a tightrope over the chasm of disaster, created by the Republicans, and lead complacent Americans
to the other side that has healthcare for all, good jobs, justice, fair trade, pro union and my god damn pony.



Peace from Europe

Iching.

[mediaman007]

I remember that post!

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. The US military industrial complex still scares the crap out of me

as it does villagers in distant lands. Our international image has been really tarnished
over the last 8 years and the America media doesn't help it or the national consciousness.

Can't type much longer the library and my wifi will go out soon.

The truth will set America free even if its painful.
Freud and Jung realized that a long time ago.

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[JVS]

2. I think the Soviet approach was better.

They systematically purged Nazis.

[datasuspect]

6. we would crush them like Stalin!

[JVS]

8. For everything there is a time. Certainly there is a time to crush like Stalin.

In fact, I tend to believe that most of the time is a time to crush like Stalin.

[datasuspect]

9. yes! the glorious time of the people's will is upon us!

off to the gulag with the lot of them.

[JVS]

10. Seriously though, it might be a good idea to fire a lot of those shitsacks.

[BoneDaddy]

14. Yeah and they were very much like the Nazis

I prefer a sane approach to dealing with Americans.

[lunatica]

3. I don't see a whole lot of complacency around here lately

And that's a good thing. It's painful, but we're all waking up and realizing reality is more gray than anything else. It's so much messier now...

[TheWraith]

4. Kicked and recommended. nt

[datasuspect]

7. the neocon sleeper cell fifth columnists

have the taint of the bush cabal and seek to impose their theocratic end of days imprint in small ways throughout the highest levels of the federal government.

if, obama, having come from the tightly wound and psychotic chicago criminal political machine, can maneuver all these chess pieces in some extra-dimensional way, i think there is hope.

[Gregorian]

11. When I think Nazis, I do not exclude the US corporations.

Just as an addition to what you've said.

America has been exceedingly slow in discovering the helping hand it lent in the holocaust. There was a discussion on cspan last night with an author who has done extensive research into this subject. I suppose most people on this forum know about this. I think we all know about how the IBM punch cards were programed to account for all of the atrocities. But it goes much much further.

And I mention this because it shows the two faces of this country. It's hard for me to believe that we would help the enemy, and then fight the enemy, and then pretend that we had defeated the enemy.

But when you think about it, is that not exactly what we've just done again? Rumsfeld shaking hands.

I also mention this because four years, or all of eternity, probably isn't the cure. And I often bring up population as an irritating factor. But the span of time has shown that we were doing these things before there were seven billion. I don't think time is what is required for the change.

I believe there is a combination of things that must be, or we end up where we have an evil vein within our government. It has to do with large amounts of money. Corporations. And that pretty much translates to large numbers of people giving small amounts of money to one recipient. Each of us buys a few things that have some of Monsanto's stuff in it. It doesn't seem like much, but Monsanto rakes in huge quantities. In a way, population is aggravating the situation. There are more of us to contribute our little piece, in order to feed the monstrous companies.

Much of this boils down to fear and need. Sorry, I'm half awake and posting all of this crap. :) For all I know, it's all bs. No, it is about having one company do stuff for us. I want to spend my time doing something other than making soap, bacon, weeding a garden without herbicides, keeping insects off my plants without insecticides... And this is why I've said that there was a time that was best, and we passed it by. Civil rights have progressed, but the mechanics of living have turned into a monster. The monster that feeds us all. And eventually holds us hostage.

[Ichingcarpenter]

12. I documented standard oil (exxon) and GM's fueling the blitzkrieg

Whose technological past to the Nazis via GM's Opal division made it possible
and was even considered to be treason back then by Roosevelt,. But GM and exxon were 'too big to fail"
even back then.



Also the lies of the CIA, Justice and Defense in the many years I've been here.
There are some great researchers on DU and I can back up the facts on how bad
its become because I've saved it all and will use it for lectures here.

Just got another free wifi spot so I can post for a moment.

"Don't let it get you down its only castles burning find someone whose turning.............and you will come around"

There is an ugly truth about our country and 'our media are accomplices to it and even justifying torture now.
There is no middle ground nor bipartisanship when dealing with fascists.

[Gregorian]

13. I am a slow learner. We all learn at different rates.

Weird. This morning I was just thinking about an old friend who used to sneak on to Neil's ranch, and listen to them rehearse in their barn.

I find it really odd that having "listened" to that tune so many times, I never realized the lyrics. I'm very much not a word person.

This is not a frivolous post. I mean to make a point. I spent the last 20 years working very hard to listen. To hear. I find so many people who don't do that. And here I find myself only just hearing after so much listening. This is part of the big problem we face. People don't hear what they're listening to. There is much unconsciousness. For me, it was only hearing the tune, and not the lyrics. But people can hear words, and not their meaning. Words are pretty ineffective. It's very difficult to translate the truth through words.

Americans need to know what their country has been up to. There is not just unconsciousness and laziness, but there is also denial. I don't expect for our efforts to make any difference at all. But at least I'm trying to hear.