major, major, major, major news story!!!!

[spanone]

About 100 anti-abortion demonstrators shouted angry slogans at the edge of campus, angrily heckling back and forth with a smaller number of abortion rights demonstrators.

that's right, at notre dame today the president spoke and there were about 100 protesters according to the new york times.

now, tell me again about the liberal media, please.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/18/us/politics/18obama.html?_r=1&hp

[gmoney]

1. MUST HAVE MORE BABIES!

MORE PEOPLE IN WORLD IS GOOD!

NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE...GOD NEEDS MORE!

GOD WILL PROVIDE...MORE BABIES NEEDED!

KIDS? ADULTS? WHO CARES? NEED MORE BABIES!!

[secondwind]

2. once they are born, though, the Republicans turn their backs on them and go

out of their way to reduce or eliminate Head Start programs, hot lunch programs for needy kids, etc.

And don't forget they will try to prevent those kids from voting (one way or another)!!!

[gmoney]

6. MORE BABIES!

An ironical ad placement on the NYT story about Obama's visit...

[BlooInBloo]

9. I want my babybackbabybackbabyback...

[foxfeet]

30. Baby Got Back.

The song says so.

[Lebam in LA]

17. They are pro-birth, not pro-life

[Ahpook]

25. Like the Repubs give a rip anyway?

They use that shit to reel in the fuck wits every couple years.

They are to fucking dumb to realize that, as they are most everything else in this fucked up country.

[liberalmuse]

3. Wait...I thought the MSM said '100,000'?

And what about those caps with the crosses and baby feet? WTF? Why don't they protest their clergy raping born children? Why do they want to give fetuses more rights than sentient beings? They have a right to protest whatever they want, but jeez, first things first.

[Lasher]

4. We must select one of them and make them our next Joe the Plumber.

And we must pretend they have something to say.

[Initech]

23. We need our own idiot who's paid to toe the party line exactly as he's told?

No, we need someone smarter than that.

[Lasher]

31. I don't think you picked up what I was laying down.

My bad, I did a shitty job of laying it down.

[shanejfilomena]

5. New Babies.....

I support the rights of people to choose their paths in life, but I must admit:

ABORTION is not God's design for us to choose ( in my understanding of the Creation/Biblical business )

I do believe that God creates and, if a person has a reservation about being a Parent, or is otherwise Unfit, then that person should keep their pants on.

I support Government intervention to Keep the peace, I support Government actions to take advantage of this (unfortunate) business of abortions to open the door to research that might progress the quality of life for Humanity....

I can never , in my personal view, support the removal of life from this planet that has not endangered the existence of others.

[madamesilverspurs]

8. Not all abortions involve fetuses.

The term covers procedures that address a complex number of circumstances.

[Jeep789]

10. Abortion itself is not the issue

There have been and will always be abortions. The issue is whether they are done in a safe medical building or in a back alley.

Why don't people learn from history? Making abortion illegal has already been tried. It resulted in back alley

I repeat, you will never end abortions. You are simply pro-death of the poor who will be forced back into the alleys if you have your way.

[JanMichael]

11. Very cool! I respect that opinion. However, that his how you

feel, and that shouldn't be the law because you believe that to be true.

Women who don't want abortions don't have to have them. Enjoy your beliefs, but mind your own business when it comes to others.

[Justitia]

12. So, you are all for criminalizing it & putting women in jail if they illegally abort?

One of my family mbrs almost died from a pre-Roe abortion - she lost her colon.

I guess it is totally cool with you if she would have died from that?

[spanone]

13. ah, pro death penalty, anti medical procedure.....okay

[countingbluecars]

15. What about a person

who has no say on whether to "keep their pants on" as in the case of rape?

[Vickers]

16. Wow, when you put it like THAT it seems so easy

for me to put you on Ignore!

:rofl:

Welcome to DU yadda yadda yadda...

[Tesha]

18. Then turning iron ore into steel swords probably wasn't in God's plan either.

But religion has certainly spawned quite an industry of that
over the centuries with steel guns now supplanting steel
swords and nuclear weapons supplanting steel guns.

Please don't hand us bullshit about what's in "God's plan"
as a justification for how you personally feel about abortion
and women's rights.

Tesha

[Laelth]

20. Welcome to DU!

:dem:

-Laelth

[lunatica]

22. If God creates babies who the hell needs men then?

I'm sure this falls on no ears at all as I suspect the poster is a one hit wonder...

[annabanana]

24. The Flying Spagetti Monster told me YOUR god is fiction...

how about them apples?

[Hekate]

26. The American Pregnancy Assoc has a page on D&C procedure after a miscarriage occurs. Please read...

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancycomplications/dandc.html

I understand abortion and/or miscarriage is an emotionally fraught issue, but it is a also a medical issue. Because of physical threats to doctors and nurses, sometimes culminating in murder or attempted murder, many young medical students are refusing to take classes in this most vital medical care procedure for women.

When I was quite a young girl (Hekate's old now) I used to sit and listen to my mother and her friends talk about their lives. Since they were all in their childbearing years the subjects of pregnancy, childbirth, and miscarriage inevitably came up. Abortion never came up: this was the 1950s. My mother, raised a Catholic, would have been horrified if it had. (A woman desperate enough to seek an abortion would have confided in perhaps one trusted friend, not the kaffee klatch.)

D&C's got discussed. "Studies reveal that anywhere from 10-25% of all clinically recognized pregnancies will end in miscarriage, and most miscarriages occur during the first 13 weeks of pregnancy."

That means that most of those women sooner or later had a miscarriage courtesy of Mother Nature. My mother had two, and one full-term stillbirth. "Did she have a D&C then?" Mrs X would say of Mrs Y. "Oh yes, the doctor had her in the hospital for a D&C" would reply Mrs. Z....

The article goes on: "The main goal of treatment during or after a miscarriage is to prevent hemorrhaging and/or infection. The earlier you are in the pregnancy, the more likely that your body will expel all the fetal tissue by itself and will not require further medical procedures. If the body does not expel all the tissue, the most common procedure performed to stop bleeding and prevent infection is a D&C."

My mother hemorrhaged so badly she almost died from those miscarriages -- thank you Mother Nature. Without surgical intervention, my father would have been left with two small children to raise, me and brother #1, instead of the 4 living kids they ultimately raised together.

Please read the entire article. Life is complicated. If each and every fertilized egg is equivalent to a full-term baby, how is it that Mother Nature, or God, or Whoever, deals out early miscarriages in as many as 1 out of every 4 pregnancies?

Even if your religion forbids abortion (and that's certainly fine with me if you personally choose never to have one regardless of circumstances), no religion forbids saving a woman's life in the case of a pregnancy gone bad. Yes, women can and do die from infection and hemorrhage if pregnancy and/or miscarriage goes wrong. D&C is therefore a necessary part of medical training, and it's more than a little troubling that so many medical students are skipping that part of their training because of culture warriors saying it's all about abortion and killing babies. It's about complete medical care, and it takes skill -- a pregnant uterus is easily punctured.

As for keeping one's pants on....
First, tell that to the legions of hot and bothered teenagers :eyes: but also give them sufficient information to actually protect themselves from unwanted pregnancies. Kids who have gone through "abstinence only" programs have higher pregnancy rates than do kids who go through a comprehensive sex-ed program.
Second, tell that to the over 600,000 rape victims per year in the US, of whom 80% know their assailant. http://www.sbrapecrisiscenter.org/04Information/info.html

Hekate

[hootinholler]

32. "ABORTION is not God's design"

Good then you agree that making abortion illegal is the implementation of church doctrine in law.

Church doctrine has no place in US law.

-Hoot

[cali]

35. I don't care what your God says. sorry.

your god needs to stay the fuck out of government.

[lunatica]

7. And yet again they forgot to post those protest pictures.... n/t

[spanone]

14. there were no pictures.....ahem, our cameras were broken, obviously

[lunatica]

19. But dammit! They told us it was going to be big! ' Bigger than the teabaggers!

:sarcasm:

[dorkulon]

21. Just like the tea-baggers.

When Republicans protest, they get their numbers wildly inflated and all-day coverage. Liberal media pffft.

[Mari333]

27. I drove near South Bend today

lots lots lots of police cars on the roads..they must have called up all the law enforcement in the counties around...looks like they didnt need them much for anything.

[Hekate]

29. All it takes is one crazy person with a long-range rifle, Mari. Glad the cops were there....

Did you listen to President Obama's speech? And the introduction he got from the president of Notre Dame, Rev. John Jenkins? Both excellent speeches -- and the Prez even got in a dig at ASU for not giving him that honorary degree.

Hekate

[mod mom]

28. this makes the news but 600,000 protesting bush's war in DC zilch. Wonder why

newspapers are dying? Selective reporting.

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. MSNBC said "hundreds AND thousands" of protesters

I guess they couldn't decide which number to use. LOL

[RandomThoughts]

34. This is the question I would ask them.

If the Democrats, or Obama made Abortion illegal, instead of just trying to reduce abortions, would you then vote for them?

Would you the next time in the voting booth pull the democrat lever?

If they say yes, then the abortion issue versus a women's rights is there reason to vote Republican.

But if they say they will still vote for the Republicans, then they are using the abortion issue to justify voting for a person for other reasons.

They may have many reasons to vote for Republicans, but instead of thinking about those issues. They may be using the abortion issue just as an excuse to not explain to themselves why they vote Republican. I personally do not think that is a way to address the serious issue of abortion.

Personally I have thought on both sides of the issue, the tragedies of illegal abortions, and the difficult decisions and impact abortion must have on a Woman. And also the complexity of two lives in one, and the rights of choice around that.

It is a difficult issue, but it is not the only issue around the issues of relieving suffering and protecting life.

[saltpoint]

36. One hundred protestors. No, wait, it was dozens of thousands. Actually

more like several million.

Amended to every single person in the country. The dead themselves rose from their graves to protest Obama's appearance at Notre Dame. Motels and restaurants were jammed. And don't even get me started on parking space.

All in all, quite a weekend in South Bend.

[underpants]

37. Was just about to post the same type thing-yesterday and the tebaggers vs. the anti-war coverage

Oct. 26th 2002 millions protested the war on Iraq. IF you were watching the news channels in the middle of the day you saw a 30 second report on it
Feb. 15th 2003 The single largest protest ever in humankind all over the world and it was virtually ignored.

Neither story lasted until Monday-people just weren't allowed to know that it might be okay not to support an inevitably disasterous war.

Teabaggers get live news coverage and the protests at a private university in Indiana are on the lead story in my local Richmond newspaper.